SE5 creeps from a stop

[Pilo]

The clutch released...

This is what I did when it happend BTW I emailed Carlo several months ago about this and got a call a week or so later. Basically said to do what we do. No fix.:dontknow:
Dick

Yeah, it seems to work. I just tried it inside the gated compound where I live and the clutch did disengage / release after a throttle blip while braking. :thumbup:

Will try it again tomorrow in 'real life' traffic and road situations...

BTW, today I installed a spring in the SE5 trunk closure pin and another one in the seat closure pin. Both work like a charm and just need to use one hand to turn the key, and they readily pop out...

Total cost: US$0,50 for both springs + 30 minutes of (my) Sunday labor... :2thumbs:

Saludos from an Argentinean in Venezuela

 

[Don in E Texas]

I switched oil over 6 months ago. Has not crept or crawled since. Still using the same brand and don't plan on switching. I am not saying it will stop your creeping issue, but it did mine.

:agree:

don

 

[Sny]

Did you get your two SE5s at the same time?

Yep, same day. Hm... where's the date of manufacture plate on these things?

press the brake pedal very hard and blip the throttle...Give this a try and let me know how it goes.

Yeah that works as expected.

I bet that first oil change will make a big difference.

Great community here folks. Thanks!

 

[Dochands]

My dealer said it was not fixable despite my quoting the forum reads. I am beginning to think this might be their standard answer to every issue they don't want to deal with. lol

I notice my creep is also worse in stop and go and will try the trick I read to pump the throttle to engage the clutch.

I guess creep does make it easier to gently pull in the garage. lol

 

[Tom in NM]

Huh???????????

My dealer said it was not fixable despite my quoting the forum reads. I am beginning to think this might be their standard answer to every issue they don't want to deal with. lol

I notice my creep is also worse in stop and go and will try the trick I read to pump the throttle to engage the clutch.

I guess creep does make it easier to gently pull in the garage. lol

I guess I have not been paying enough attention and being typically self-centered - I thought the creeping issue was a Feature only on SE5s only.

My SE5 only creeps now, once in, say, 50 rides, if I start up a 'cold' engine and don't let it warm up for at least 45 seconds.

Tom

 

[BillGargan]

This is what I did when it happend BTW I emailed Carlo several months ago about this and got a call a week or so later. Basically said to do what we do. No fix.:dontknow:
Dick

This happens to me on my SE5 about once every 200-300 miles.

My solution sounds simpler and safer.

I just pop it to neutral and back to first. Creep is gone.

 

[garganos]

If there is a creep and it drags the RPM down the Centrifigal clutch needs to be replaced. They have changed the rollers and bearings. The new configuration will fix this creeping issue. Some creep is normal but if it brings the RPMs down and you can overcome it by goosing throttle then have the CV Clutch replaced.

 

[Dudley]

This happens to me on my SE5 about once every 200-300 miles.

My solution sounds simpler and safer.

I just pop it to neutral and back to first. Creep is gone.

I did that a few times, then one time it wouldn't come out of neutral right away...in traffic. When I changed oil to use other than BRP, it has never slipped again...20,000 miles later, no slip.

 

[Pilo]

So early...?

If there is a creep and it drags the RPM down the Centrifigal clutch needs to be replaced. They have changed the rollers and bearings. The new configuration will fix this creeping issue. Some creep is normal but if it brings the RPMs down and you can overcome it by goosing throttle then have the CV Clutch replaced.

GSS:

My SE5 has only (+/-) 650 miles in the odometer, and since there is no dealership in this country, I am on my own.

If you could give me a technical explanation on why the (centrifugal?) clutch need to be replaced so early if it creeps strongly forward and brings the RPM's down, it will be sincerely appreciated.

Another doubt:
If I just get rid of the problem by blipping the throttle, what could happen to the clutch / transmission if I just use this method and do not replace the clutch?

Thanks and regards, Pilo

 

[Tom in NM]

GSS:

My SE5 has only (+/-) 650 miles in the odometer, and since there is no dealership in this country, I am on my own.

Another doubt:
If I just get rid of the problem by blipping the throttle, what could happen to the clutch / transmission if I just use this method and do not replace the clutch?

Thanks and regards, Pilo

Pilo, I cannot help you with an explanation of the clutch, but with only 650 miles, unless you are having significant problems shifting, I would not be worried. My SE5 stopped it creeping not too long after the 600 oil change. I also think that Dudley's point about the oil making a difference is true. I notice whenever I change the oil, the Spyder shifts better and better - and some oils like the Royal Purple seems to accelerate that.

When my SE5 creeped ( and it could get up to 7 mph in a flat parking lot ) the tachometer remained at the normal idle (1400 RPM). If when you creep and the RPM go down, given my experience, that may indicate a problem. However, no matter how fast it wanted to creep, a very light pressure on the brake (or even a slight uphill grade) would stop it. Now, when I am stopped at a light, I almost always do not have to have my foot on the brake .

Hopefully, Carlo will be able to get with you next week and work out your concerns, but from how you describe it, it sounds like a common break-in issue.

Shifting into Neutral or blipping the throttle should not cause any problems to the clutch.

Tom

 

[Trickie Dick]

Creep Races!

I think we ought to have "creep" races. WE could start at a local level, then state. The state winners would move on to Gatlinburg next year for the Grand National Creep off. At Lamonsters barbque we could award the trophy for Spyder Lovers best(biggest:yikes creep.hyea:hyea::thumbup:

 

[Pilo]

Pilo, I cannot help you with an explanation of the clutch, but with only 650 miles, unless you are having significant problems shifting, I would not be worried. My SE5 stopped it creeping not too long after the 600 oil change. I also think that Dudley's point about the oil making a difference is true. I notice whenever I change the oil, the Spyder shifts better and better - and some oils like the Royal Purple seems to accelerate that.

When my SE5 creeped ( and it could get up to 7 mph in a flat parking lot ) the tachometer remained at the normal idle (1400 RPM). If when you creep and the RPM go down, given my experience, that may indicate a problem. However, no matter how fast it wanted to creep, a very light pressure on the brake (or even a slight uphill grade) would stop it. Now, when I am stopped at a light, I almost always do not have to have my foot on the brake .

Hopefully, Carlo will be able to get with you next week and work out your concerns, but from how you describe it, it sounds like a common break-in issue.

Shifting into Neutral or blipping the throttle should not cause any problems to the clutch.

Tom

Hi Tom:

In my case, RPM's go down because the clutch does not (totally) release / disengage when coming to a stand-still, but since I have to stop (e.g. traffic light), I apply the brake, and it forces the engine down almost to the point of stalling. It is sort of like riding a stick-shift and trying to get it to stop without holding in the clutch lever.

It maintains the +/- 1400 RPM's idle (sometimes higher but it quickly comes down to 1400), but it also wants to continue forward, and it does the same as you describe, in a flat surface and also on a slight incline.

On my previous post I just wanted a technical explanation that could eventually convince me that I had to replace my clutch. Sounds too drastic...

I'll do the first oil change and will monitor its behavior. Too bad that Royal Purple oil is not available in Venezuela.

Thanks and 'saludos' from an Argentinean in Venezuela

 

[Dochands]

Trickie Dick that is the creepiest idea I have ever heard. lol

 

[Trickie Dick]

Trickie Dick that is the creepiest idea I have ever heard. lol

:2thumbs:

 

[garganos]

Hi Tom:

In my case, RPM's go down because the clutch does not (totally) release / disengage when coming to a stand-still, but since I have to stop (e.g. traffic light), I apply the brake, and it forces the engine down almost to the point of stalling. It is sort of like riding a stick-shift and trying to get it to stop without holding in the clutch lever.

It maintains the +/- 1400 RPM's idle (sometimes higher but it quickly comes down to 1400), but it also wants to continue forward, and it does the same as you describe, in a flat surface and also on a slight incline.

On my previous post I just wanted a technical explanation that could eventually convince me that I had to replace my clutch. Sounds too drastic...

I'll do the first oil change and will monitor its behavior. Too bad that Royal Purple oil is not available in Venezuela.

Thanks and 'saludos' from an Argentinean in Venezuela

Pilo,

Sorry about the delay in answering. What BRP did was change the configuration of the clutch. It some cases the roller bushings would bind slightly. This would cause the clutch to stay slightly engaged. What BRP did was change to a needle bearing instead of a bushing. Unfortunately you are in a situation that you would have a hard time getting it fixed. Keep an eye on it. If it does not improve do what you can to get it fixed. I hope this helps and you can get the issue resolved.

 

[Pilo]

Pilo,

Sorry about the delay in answering. What BRP did was change the configuration of the clutch. It some cases the roller bushings would bind slightly. This would cause the clutch to stay slightly engaged. What BRP did was change to a needle bearing instead of a bushing. Unfortunately you are in a situation that you would have a hard time getting it fixed. Keep an eye on it. If it does not improve do what you can to get it fixed. I hope this helps and you can get the issue resolved.

Last Sunday I rode the SE5 around for nearly 3 hours in hot city traffic and the 'creeping' was slight, not severe, when / if it happened. It seems to be subsiding now. I used the throttle blip and it worked every time.

Question is if this method will somehow damage, wear, the clutch and / or the tranny...

The only response I got from BRP (Carlo) was to refer to the nearest dealer (in Honduras...) :yikes: :gaah: :cus:

Thanks for getting back.

Saludos, Pilo

 

[Tom in NM]

Blip away.

Last Sunday I rode the SE5 around for nearly 3 hours in hot city traffic and the 'creeping' was slight, not severe, when / if it happened. It seems to be subsiding now. I used the throttle blip and it worked every time.

Question is if this method will somehow damage, wear, the clutch and / or the tranny...

The only response I got from BRP (Carlo) was to refer to the nearest dealer (in Honduras...) :yikes: :gaah: :cus:

Thanks for getting back.

Saludos, Pilo

Pilo, I don't think blipping the throttle will harm anything. What you seem to be experiencing is the same effect many of us did - and it should continue to subside.

If you are concerned about blipping the throttle, if you are at a stop, shift into Neutral and then back into 1st - that should also stop any creeping.

I could tell you were looking forward to the ride to Honduras, but it does not sound like you need to.

By the way, nice picture of you on the Spyder. For some reason I thought yours was Silver. You must get a lot of looks and questions when you ride around town.

Tom

 

[Pilo]

Pilo, I don't think blipping the throttle will harm anything. What you seem to be experiencing is the same effect many of us did - and it should continue to subside.

If you are concerned about blipping the throttle, if you are at a stop, shift into Neutral and then back into 1st - that should also stop any creeping.

I could tell you were looking forward to the ride to Honduras, but it does not sound like you need to.

By the way, nice picture of you on the Spyder. For some reason I thought yours was Silver. You must get a lot of looks and questions when you ride around town.

Tom

Hi Tom:

I am just concerned about the clutch wear / tear / heat during the 'break-in' period.

Sometimes I also shift it into neutral and then back into 1st., especially when idle RPM's sort of flutter, but I will take care of that issue with the 'canisterectomy', which I will perform soon.

Or..., I might take Dochands and Trickie Dick suggestion and let it creep..., all the way to Honduras... hyea:

I get a lot of questions when I ride the SE5, and lots of smiles, :thumbup:, and :2thumbs: when people realize that I am a AKA...

Generally speaking, the question people mostly ask is: 'How much did it cost...?' I think that reflects how materially oriented most folks are nowadays...

Keep in touch, and saludos, Pilo

 

[Tom in NM]

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I get a lot of questions when I ride the SE5, and lots of smiles, :thumbup:, and :2thumbs: when people realize that I am a AKA...

Generally speaking, the question people mostly ask is: 'How much did it cost...?' I think that reflects how materially oriented most folks are nowadays...

Keep in touch, and saludos, Pilo

Pilo, you lost me on the "AKA", what does that mean?

Yes, "How much?" is the #1 question we all get. I am not sure it is a "Material Orientation" question, though. I get the impression it is more, "What will it take for me to have one?" - kind of a 'price of admission' question. Getting asked that question always leaves me a little non-plused though, asking the price of something was something that I was brought up to not to do - I was taught it was a rude question - like asking "How much do you make?"

I do prefer that question to the statement, "Get off!" - when accompanied with gun pointing at you. :yikes: ( has not happened yet )

Tom

 

[Dochands]

Pilo its good to know there are riders everywhere. I have a recurrent fantasy of heading down through Mexico and trying to make it to Uruguay and Argentina. lol