SE5 creeps from a stop

[Sny]

My wife and I both have new 09 SE5's.

When I come to a stop on a flat surface, I can take my foot off the brake and it doesn't go anywhere.

On my wife's SE5, on the same surface, if she takes her foot off she moves forward under power (it's not just rolling)

I didn't even realize the difference and she didn't think anything of it because it behaves like an automatic car.

My somewhat limited understanding of the electronic clutch in the SE5 says that shouldn't happen.

The only reason I even noticed the difference is mine did that once, took my foot off expecting to roll backwards a bit (was on an incline) and it went forward without any throttle.

I don't really care which way it's supposed to work, I can get used to either, but the inconsistency is killing me :sour:

Is it different on a flat surface vs an incline? decline? Should it behave like it's in neutral until you roll on the throttle?

Does it change as they break in? The transmission certainly needs a healthy break-in before it behaves normal, maybe that's all it is.

 

[bcspyder]

Call your dealer. In the recent webcast they addressed this issue and it involves a clutch adjustment. My SE did the same thing. Sometimes it went into a "neutral" feel at stop other times it wanted to take off. Had the adjustment and all is good.

 

[Sny]

Sometimes it went into a "neutral" feel at stop other times it wanted to take off. Had the adjustment and all is good.

Which way is it supposed to be? neutral feel or rolling?

Don't know which spyder to fix

I'm heading to the dealer this afternoon for some other stuff, I'll ask.

 

[Tom in NM]

Which way is it supposed to be? neutral feel or rolling?

Don't know which spyder to fix

I'm heading to the dealer this afternoon for some other stuff, I'll ask.

Before the 600 mile inspection, my 08 SE5 would creep sometimes - usually when I was just starting a ride. After the 1st inspection/oil change, hardly ever. Even when it did like to creep, it felt OK and no big deal - a little brake took care of it.

Tom

 

[bcspyder]

What I find is that when I initially come to a stop the tranny stays in a forward gear so that just removing your foot from the brake allows you to slowly move forward. After a few seconds the system seems to be aware that you are at a more permanent stop and switches to a neutral position, where gas needs to be applied for you to move ahead. Before the adjustment it would occasionally take some significant brake pressure and your attention to stay in place.

 

[kytten]

I have an 09 SE5 (prior to first oil change) too and mine creeps as well. I figured it was normal. Something else to keep an eye on, I guess.

 

[DynamoBT]

When I demo-ed an 09 SE5 (and I figure for the Factory Demo Tour they have the Spyders adjusted just so) it creeped. A LOT!!! I found it very disconcerting.

I would find the inconsistency between your two SE5's crazy making too. They should be consistenly creeping or not!!!

 

[ataDude]

First off... a disclaimer... I do NOT have an SE nor does my shop manual include SEs.

But... here's more info for you:

Your SEs have TWO clutches... a centrifugal clutch and the normal, albeit servo-activated, clutch.

On the early SE models, some of the rollers and springs in the centrifugal clutch were replaced to solve the problem you are discussing.

Here are the two schematics. Parts # 17 - 24 on the SE (second pic) appear to be the main differences although there probably are others.

1. The SM model:

2. The SE model:

 

[bcspyder]

Call your dealer. In the recent webcast they addressed this issue and it involves a clutch adjustment. My SE did the same thing. Sometimes it went into a "neutral" feel at stop other times it wanted to take off. Had the adjustment and all is good.

Again, your service department should be aware after viewing the webcast. If not have them look at it again. Mine works perfectly now.

 

[Dudley]

I switched oil over 6 months ago. Has not crept or crawled since. Still using the same brand and don't plan on switching. I am not saying it will stop your creeping issue, but it did mine.

 

[GaryTheBadger]

If it makes you feel better, mine had three creep modes starting at about 600 miles...none, mild and aggressive. I'm now at 3500 miles and the agressive is just about all gone. Its had a couple of oil changes and the required updates, that's all. The "no creep" mode is the normal/desired mode. You can get it into that mode at a stop by holding the brake firmly and goosing the throttle sharply...resets the centrifugal clutch.

 

[Trickie Dick]

I had(have) the same problem with creeping. It started around 600-800 miles and at times could be aggressive. It was inconsistent -sometimes creep sometimes not. The only way to keep it from creeping when it started was to blip the throttle. You can hear/feel it drop in to a neutral condition. The creeping should eventually go away.
Dick

 

[Pilo]

What about clutch wear...?

I had(have) the same problem with creeping. It started around 600-800 miles and at times could be aggressive. It was inconsistent -sometimes creep sometimes not. The only way to keep it from creeping when it started was to blip the throttle. You can hear/feel it drop in to a neutral condition. The creeping should eventually go away.
Dick

I have the same problem with my new 2009 SE5 (+/- 650 miles ridden), specially when hot (almost always...) and I am wondering how long my clutch will last, or if the problem will correct itself before it wears the clutch out...

No dealership here, so I am on my own.

Is there any way to manually adjust the (centrifugal?) clutch to solve this issue?

Your advice / opinions are appreciated.

Saludos from an Argentinean in Venezuela

 

[Sny]

This is great information.

It's strange how each behaves so completely different.

Will the centrifugal clutch wear significantly if it stays like this? (creaping from a stop)

For now, I'm just going to go easy and let them break in normally and see how it is after the 600 mile service.

Also, I wonder what it would take to see that webcast

 

[Tom in NM]

I think you have to buy a dealership.

This is great information.

It's strange how each behaves so completely different.

Will the centrifugal clutch wear significantly if it stays like this? (creaping from a stop)

For now, I'm just going to go easy and let them break in normally and see how it is after the 600 mile service.

Also, I wonder what it would take to see that webcast

The clutch wear question is a good one. I have no experiences with the type of clutch found in the SE5. I have to admit, I am not concerned, but if you are, an email to Carlo at BRP is one way you can go. Here is a link to Lamont's post on that: http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=87296&postcount=1

Your approach on break-in sounds very reasonable to me.

Tom

 

[bjt]

This is great information.

It's strange how each behaves so completely different.

Will the centrifugal clutch wear significantly if it stays like this? (creaping from a stop)

For now, I'm just going to go easy and let them break in normally and see how it is after the 600 mile service.

Also, I wonder what it would take to see that webcast

Did you get your two SE5s at the same time? Like ataDude mentioned in his post with the schematics, BRP was made aware of a potential problem with a spring in the SE5 transmission when they first came out. They started using stiffer springs in the new SE5s they were building and created a dealer service bulletin with the fix to allow dealers to replace the spring in the SE5s that were out on the road. If one of your SE5s is significantly newer than the other, that could explain why they behave differently.

 

[Pilo]

Carlo on vacation...?

The clutch wear question is a good one. I have no experiences with the type of clutch found in the SE5. I have to admit, I am not concerned, but if you are, an email to Carlo at BRP is one way you can go. Here is a link to Lamont's post on that: http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=87296&postcount=1

Your approach on break-in sounds very reasonable to me.

Tom

I did e-mail Carlo yesterday about my concern with my SE5 creeping and clutch wear and its possible manual adjustment, but I got an automatic response stating that they will be back on service by 14-SEP-09. :dontknow:

I e-mailed Lamonster also, to see if he knows how to solve this issue.

Saludos, Pilo

 

[Bersquack]

Mine did the same thing for awhile and has mostly disappeared now. I was told that it creeps when the clutch is not fully engaged. I would happen to me more often in stop and go traffic.

When you are at a stop, press the brake pedal very hard and blip the throttle. This will put the clutch where it should be and stop the creeping.

Give this a try and let me know how it goes. This should go away after about 3K miles.

 

[tajohn]

Rolling after stop

Take it to your dealer! Had the same thing se5 09.They replaced the rotation sensor and shifter spring,works fine.

My wife and I both have new 09 SE5's.

When I come to a stop on a flat surface, I can take my foot off the brake and it doesn't go anywhere.

On my wife's SE5, on the same surface, if she takes her foot off she moves forward under power (it's not just rolling)

I didn't even realize the difference and she didn't think anything of it because it behaves like an automatic car.

My somewhat limited understanding of the electronic clutch in the SE5 says that shouldn't happen.

The only reason I even noticed the difference is mine did that once, took my foot off expecting to roll backwards a bit (was on an incline) and it went forward without any throttle.

I don't really care which way it's supposed to work, I can get used to either, but the inconsistency is killing me :sour:

Is it different on a flat surface vs an incline? decline? Should it behave like it's in neutral until you roll on the throttle?

Does it change as they break in? The transmission certainly needs a healthy break-in before it behaves normal, maybe that's all it is.

 

[Trickie Dick]

Mine did the same thing for awhile and has mostly disappeared now. I was told that it creeps when the clutch is not fully engaged. I would happen to me more often in stop and go traffic.

When you are at a stop, press the brake pedal very hard and blip the throttle. This will put the clutch where it should be and stop the creeping.

Give this a try and let me know how it goes. This should go away after about 3K miles.

This is what I did when it happend BTW I emailed Carlo several months ago about this and got a call a week or so later. Basically said to do what we do. No fix.:dontknow:
Dick