Ryker Ykester!!!

[jcthorne]

You guys are crazy! It cost a lot of money for a company to brand themselves. There are many people who don't know what a Spyder is let alone what a ryker is. Can am is not launching another brand call Ryker, they are merely introducing a new line of Spyders that will appeal to a Different type of buyer, nothing more. Auto manufacturers have many different models under the same manufacturer, this is the same thing.

Nope, its a whole new brand. The Ryker is NOT a Spyder. Both Ryker and Spyder are brands under CanAm On Road Vehicles Team. There are models under each of those brands.

 

[Bob Denman]

I've got to go with Shakespeare on this one"

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."​

Repeat this as often as is necessary...

 

[Joe T.]

Ryker Build/Cost

Interesting.

I, personally, do not believe a motorcycle (or three wheeler) should cost the same as a typical car. There is no comparison of the utility of the two, and therefore the inherent value. Just my opinion. I am sure many will not agree.

As some examples:

A nicely optioned new Mustang at $26,120 with a 315 hp EccoBoost 2.3L 4:

https://shop.ford.com/build/mustang...id=W3gTQwAAALlUOQIT:20180912155041:s#/select/

A nicely optioned new Camaro at $28,960 with a 3.6L V6 DI engine at 335 HP

https://www.chevrolet.com/byo-vc/client/en/US/chevrolet/camaro/2018/camaro/summary



Now, let's compare some Spyders:

A Spyder RT Limited configured nicely is $29,828.

https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/buil...d/b4cbb192-f0f0-45c6-aab8-ebcf2ceb5d9a/step/4


A nicely optioned Spyder F3-S is $20,758.

https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/buil...d/f7610a11-37d9-4e39-9601-c416168c8929/step/4



Let's now look at the new Ryker models:


A nicely optioned Ryker with the 900 ACE configured for a single rider is $11,333.

https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/buil...d/3c9f0818-de57-475b-ad22-92dc31beca75/step/4



For a little more than the price of a nicely optioned F3-S, I can purchase two nice Rykers. For the price of an RT Limited we could have two nice Rykers and a LOT OF $$$ LEFT OVER!!

My wife could ride one and I the other. Freedom to enjoy the road.

So, this Ryker model looks much more attractive to me.

Regards,
Joe T.

 

[Kratos]

Interesting.

I, personally, do not believe a motorcycle (or three wheeler) should cost the same as a typical car. There is no comparison of the utility of the two, and therefore the inherent value. Just my opinion. I am sure many will not agree.


Joe T.

Well my 2018 A Class motorhome cost less than all my cars. It's a freeking house on wheels with beds, kitchen, bathroom, shower, etc. if you want to speak on "utility", LOL.

So the market on these motored vehicles make no sense across the enitre board. Buy what you want and enjoy.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I, personally, do not believe a motorcycle (or three wheeler) should cost the same as a typical car. There is no comparison of the utility of the two, and therefore the inherent value. Just my opinion. I am sure many will not agree.

I've often said to people, when I was riding a Goldwing, that a Goldwing, new or used, was about the same price as a Honda Civic. That's been the case for years and years, maybe even decades!

 

[Bob Denman]

Well my 2018 A Class motorhome cost less than all my cars. It's a freeking house on wheels with beds, kitchen, bathroom, shower, etc. if you want to speak on "utility", LOL.

So the market on these motored vehicles make no sense across the enitre board. Buy what you want and enjoy.

Which RV do you have?

(We're packing our 2018 Thor Outlaw 29H for a Columbus Day weekend trip right now... :thumbup
But it's just a Class C...

 

[Kratos]

Which RV do you have?

(We're packing our 2018 Thor Outlaw 29H for a Columbus Day weekend trip right now... :thumbup
But it's just a Class C...

We had a 2016 Thor Four Winds 27H C Class and loved it. Awesome bang for buck those C classes are. My jeep wrangler cost more than it did. :shocked:

We now have a 2018 Thor Windsport, and it also is a great bang for dollar for those wanting to get into the A classes. And it too cost less than my cars, which makes no sense to me. Mind blowing actually.

But that's what we're talking about here.......the world of motors has no sense of scale/utility.

 

[Bob Denman]

I LIKE the Windsports: :thumbup:
But we went with the toyhauler for the Spyder... and now the golf cart! :shocked:

 

[UtahPete]

A basic business premise is to make yourself more appealing to the customer then the next guy so they use you instead of him.

So the Ryker is merely an avenue to increase the Spyder brand, nothing more nothing less.

That is not a basic business premise.

You're wrong about the purpose of the Ryker. It is not even a Spyder.

Maybe you should stick with what you do know. :lecturef_smilie:

 

[Bob Denman]

Actually: it sure the Hell! nojoke
But if you prefer to call it as only a basic premise of marketing: go ahead!
You have to remember that a sound marketing strategy is also a basic premise of business...
And it IS a Spyder!

 

[BlkHawk73]

I go to the Can Am website. Click on "explore off road" and choose [Models]. You then choose SSV or ATV. Two different model types. From there, you can view each model within that type.

Back at can-Am homepage... Click on "discover on road" and choose [Models]. It then allows you to choose Can-Am Ryker or Can-Am Spyder, separated the exact same way as the off road types. So... kinda screams the Ryker and the Spyder are by the factory recognized as two different model types.

Not seeing where these are marketed by Can-Am as the Spyder Ryker.


Go into any motorcycle manufacturer's site and they divide by type of bike then within that, individual models then variations of that model. Huh...just like Can-Am has done.

 

[UtahPete]

I go to the Can Am website. Click on "explore off road" and choose [Models]. You then choose SSV or ATV. Two different model types. From there, you can view each model within that type.

Back at can-Am homepage... Click on "discover on road" and choose [Models]. It then allows you to choose Can-Am Ryker or Can-Am Spyder, separated the exact same way as the off road types. So... kinda screams the Ryker and the Spyder are by the factory recognized as two different model types.

Not seeing where these are marketed by Can-Am as the Spyder Ryker.


Go into any motorcycle manufacturer's site and they divide by type of bike then within that, individual models then variations of that model. Huh...just like Can-Am has done.

It's not a Spyder!

 

[BlkHawk73]

It's not a Spyder!

Exactly what I'm saying. There's all separated on their site.

 

[Rob Rodriguez]

Exactly what I'm saying. There's all separated on their site.

I agree. My guess is because the Ryker line is going to evolve into the sporty performance machine line. Not just entry level but also more expensive, sport, dual sport and performance minded machines. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see a 900ACE turbo in that chassis (or a very similar one) in the next model year or two.

The Spyder line will remain and continue to be larger cruiser and touring type machines.

Lets face it, people hear Spyder and they think "old peoples bike". Not trying to offend anyone......its just the way it is. Easiest way for BRP to kill off that notion is start a new brand. Don't try and rebrand the old mans Spyder, just create the young mans Ryker.

Just a guess?

 

[delkhouri]

I agree. My guess is because the Ryker line is going to evolve into the sporty performance machine line. Not just entry level but also more expensive, sport, dual sport and performance minded machines. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see a 900ACE turbo in that chassis (or a very similar one) in the next model year or two.

The Spyder line will remain and continue to be larger cruiser and touring type machines.

Lets face it, people hear Spyder and they think "old peoples bike". Not trying to offend anyone......its just the way it is. Easiest way for BRP to kill off that notion is start a new brand. Don't try and rebrand the old mans Spyder, just create the young mans Ryker.

Just a guess?

A good guess at that....... I am wondering if they plan on keeping both the F3 and RT that they rename them (or their successors) and have the Ryker, the Spyder (current F3) and, __________ (current RT). Basically the end goal of diversifying models as well as model names and not just all being called spyder..... I know Bob will say that a name is just a name, but this isn't just about names it's about their business plan and more specifically about them being all in on a business plan of making three wheeled trykes available to all.

 

[Crisis]

Sold my 2008 GS just in the nick of time :yes: These are going to destroy resale values!!:banghead:

There is no way the Purchaser of my GS would have paid the amount he did if this new Can Am model was around. He would be the proud owner of a new 2019 vehicle instead of a used 2008 vehicle for a few hundred more dollars more. Take a look at how many used Spyders are for sale out there. I can’t believe I sold mine hyea:

 

[C. Lee]

Actually: it sure the Hell! nojoke
But if you prefer to call it as only a basic premise of marketing: go ahead!
You have to remember that a sound marketing strategy is also a basic premise of business...
And it IS a Spyder!

Thank you Bob. I will resist the urge to make a nasty comment on Pete's post. He obviously knows more then me.

 

[tjsox]

Sold my 2008 GS just in the nick of time :yes: These are going to destroy resale values!!:banghead:

I can’t see my wife traveling several thousand miles on a trip with a Ryker holding all her gear. It is a different product and niche. So there is no need to compare the GS, ST or STL to the Ryker. A Spyder is a Spyder. A Ryker is a Ryker period!

 

[Tanshanomi]

I, personally, do not believe a motorcycle (or three wheeler) should cost the same as a typical car. There is no comparison of the utility of the two, and therefore the inherent value. Just my opinion. I am sure many will not agree.

People routinely foul up that comparison by bench-marking the most expensive motorcycles against fairly ordinary, middle-of-the-range cars. If you want to compare the cost of a Spyder RT Limited to a car, choose a similarly top-of-the-line luxury automobile like a Toyota Avalon Limited, which starts at $41,800. Conversely, A V6 Camaro or Ecoboost Mustang sits waaay lower on automotive cost spectrum. I'd probably say their position in the car market is equivalent in the motorcycle segment to maybe an MT-07, at $7599. [...or a Ryker?]
It's like comparing the price of one restaurant's 5 oz Kobe filet mignon to their competition's half-pound turkey sub — that doesn't really accurately reflect the cost difference between beef and turkey.

 

[Firefly]

I agree. My guess is because the Ryker line is going to evolve into the sporty performance machine line. Not just entry level but also more expensive, sport, dual sport and performance minded machines. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see a 900ACE turbo in that chassis (or a very similar one) in the next model year or two.

The Spyder line will remain and continue to be larger cruiser and touring type machines.

Lets face it, people hear Spyder and they think "old peoples bike". Not trying to offend anyone......its just the way it is. Easiest way for BRP to kill off that notion is start a new brand. Don't try and rebrand the old mans Spyder, just create the young mans Ryker.

Just a guess?

No way is it going to be the 'performance' line... certainly not with a CTV !
The 'old peoples bike' might be the RT, but sure isn't the F3. If you see a turbo it will be on the F3..... that has a far better chance of being their 'performance' line.