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Ryker turning left Issues

so far everything on my ryker is fine. I've probably put a few hundred miles in at this point with no issues. Drifting it no problem and hitting fast turns.

it'll be interesting if this issue comes up again and what triggers it.
 
All right, I installed the steering update kit (part # 219800513) and it looks like it has resolved the left turn funky wobble. I've tested the bike back and forth through those particular curves at least a half dozen times without a hint of trouble. Even though my bike is a 2022 and supposedly has the updated parts, my factory assembly did not include P2 of the update kit, the little shim at the top.

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Many, many thanks to the crew at BajaRon's for their endless patience with my questions as I bumbled my way through the install. Whew. I'll keep you posted as I add on the miles and curves. :riding:

Sarah
 
The added parts are included in the 2022 parts charts, but the question is when exactly were the additional parts broken in to the assembly line?
 
The added parts are included in the 2022 parts charts, but the question is when exactly were the additional parts broken in to the assembly line?

Fairly late evidently, the tag on my frame is dated 06/22. A fellow with a '23 has his in the shop now, I've asked him to keep us posted.

Sarah
 
DickB,

You and I saw Timothy's updated post on FB, it's interesting the dealership put the Steering Update Kit in his 2023. If I'm not mistaken Daniel at Baja Ron's told me he'd put one in a '23, too. I'm wondering if any bikes have the updated parts straight off the line.

Sarah
 
Nanny/VSS applying on left turns at low speeds??

Hi, my wife’s 2022 Ryker Rally has developed a weird issue. Going around lefthand turns/corners at low speed around 33-35 mph, with only light throttle, the Nanny/VSS comes on and cuts power/applies braking. It never did this before. When driving it faster and hard on the throttle there’s no issue. Anyone else’s Ryker do this?
 
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Okay, since installing the Steering Update Kit I’d been happily riding my ‘22 Sport with nary a bobble in the curves, until the last couple of rides. Left hand curves are perfectly fine, now it’s the right hand curves that cause the bike to act up. The first time it happened it was a mild sensation in a gentle curve and I almost thought I was imagining it, but after yesterday’s ride there’s no doubt. It’s not nearly as severe as the left curves were, but it’s exactly the same sensation, and puts a big damper on the fun. I have a bit over 20,000 miles on the bike. I’ll look at the service bulletin and the service manual and see where I need to start. I come from two wheels and have no experience with A-arms and such. I’d appreciate any trouble shooting suggestions and advice you all might offer. Thanks.

Sarah
 
Okay, since installing the Steering Update Kit I’d been happily riding my ‘22 Sport with nary a bobble in the curves, until the last couple of rides. Left hand curves are perfectly fine, now it’s the right hand curves that cause the bike to act up. The first time it happened it was a mild sensation in a gentle curve and I almost thought I was imagining it, but after yesterday’s ride there’s no doubt. It’s not nearly as severe as the left curves were, but it’s exactly the same sensation, and puts a big damper on the fun. I have a bit over 20,000 miles on the bike. I’ll look at the service bulletin and the service manual and see where I need to start. I come from two wheels and have no experience with A-arms and such. I’d appreciate any trouble shooting suggestions and advice you all might offer. Thanks.

Sarah
Sorry to hear you're having these hassles again Sarah. Can only think of eliminating the the usual suspects again - wheel alignment; balance; tire pressure; tire wear; even worn sway bar linkages, especially if you have the stock plastic ones. I know you'll ferret out the solution with you're usual vigor! :-)
 
Thanks, nightfalcon. Haven't had a chance to dig into it yet, been busy cleaning up from Friday's storm. No damage thankfully, just lots of big limbs down, power out, and such. Springtime in this part of the country. Thanks again, I'll keep you posted.

Sarah
 
I installed the Steering Update Kit but the problem persisted. In my case I also had a bad SAS. I rezeroed the SAS, I have BUDS and checked it, it was off by 5-6 degrees, I would rezero it, and after a ride it would be off again. I replaced it with a used SAS and the problem was finally fixed. If you go to a dealer, ask them what the SAS is saying when you bring it in.
 
This seems to be a continued thread, but I'm afraid my used 4K mile ’22 Sport has all the symptoms ya’ll have described. Beginning to think that I made a grave mistake in buying the thing because I didn’t have a clue about all the potential issues these machines seem to be “blessed” with. The PO apparently didn’t have a clue either, so she didn’t address them.

First noticed the wonky LH steering issue the second month I had it, when I rode up to the Blue Ridge Parkway (BRP) after the Helene debris was cleared off in the VA sections, to look at the fall leaf colors. The road I took up to it is pretty twisty and the thing went crazy on a number of the LH turns I entered. Being less aggressive when entering those turns seemed to help, but the tendency for it to act up was still there. And yes, I did check the rear tire pressure when I made my first stop on that ride.

I haven’t been up that way since, but it still kicks in riding locally when hitting expressway on/off ramps. A few days ago, I noticed the LH turn signal not cancelling occasionally too; it’s never done that before.

Really peeves me off because I was planning on riding it over to WV in a few weeks to attend a folk festival. Knowing the roads I’ll be on, and the machine trying to pitch me off in every LH curve, is going to make for one miserable trip. Think I’d better play it safe and take one of my 2-wheelers.

In the interim, I guess I’ll start collecting parts and investing in the pricey BUDS thing to try to fix it myself. I will not be taking it back to a dealer. They couldn’t even install a fuel pump without screwing it up. I mean, how hard is it to align an arrow so that it points between the two lines on the tank?

Frustrated.

I installed the Steering Update Kit but the problem persisted. In my case I also had a bad SAS. I rezeroed the SAS, I have BUDS and checked it, it was off by 5-6 degrees, I would rezero it, and after a ride it would be off again. I replaced it with a used SAS and the problem was finally fixed. If you go to a dealer, ask them what the SAS is saying when you bring it in.
I'm having similar LH issues with my '22 Sport, but based on what you found with the bad SAS, do you think the update kit install was really necessary?
 
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I'm having similar LH issues with my '22 Sport, but based on what you found with the bad SAS, do you think the update kit install was really necessary?
Yes. Without the kit the plastic coupler gets worn leading to errors in measurement. I opened the bad SAS up and examined it - the shaft was a bit wobbly. I wonder if lack of the kit caused damage to the SAS.

Turn signals not cancelling is a sign that the SAS is not zeroed properly, as a zero angle SAS reading is necessary to self cancel.
 
Yes. Without the kit the plastic coupler gets worn leading to errors in measurement. I opened the bad SAS up and examined it - the shaft was a bit wobbly. I wonder if lack of the kit caused damage to the SAS.

Turn signals not cancelling is a sign that the SAS is not zeroed properly, as a zero angle SAS reading is necessary to self cancel.

Appreciate it. After a short ride today, the Ryker is definitely staying home and I’ll be riding a 2-wheeler over to WV.

Ever since I got the fuel pump replaced, I’ve been concerned with the accuracy of the gas gauge. To that end, I’ve been building up the miles on a tank to see just when I get the low fuel warning, compared to the gauge ticks, compared to the remaining range number, and when it actually runs out of fuel. I haven’t gotten to those latter stages yet, but in the process, I ran through a close-by local road a couple of times that approximates a milder version of some of the roads I’d be on over in WV. Not good, and a little scary in one instance. The first time I had this “stuff” happen is when I was on my first longish ride up to the BRP several weeks after I picked up the machine last August. Even tho’ I’d been on 2 wheels ~57 years, I was definitely a Ryker-virgin and wasn’t sure if that weird handling was kinda normal, maybe low tire pressure, or what. Now I know, and it's really kinda depressing. It’s also something that I consider potentially dangerous and not sure why the NHTSA hasn’t looked into it.

Always something, eh?
 
I reported mine to to the NHTSA, several of us did, based on the FB groups chatter.
My bike has never thrown a code of any sort, even when when the wonky handling has been scary enough to have me bug eyed. And the issue is sporadic, so the dealer could never replicate it. Frustrating for sure.

Sarah
 
I reported mine to to the NHTSA, several of us did, based on the FB groups chatter.
My bike has never thrown a code of any sort, even when when the wonky handling has been scary enough to have me bug eyed. And the issue is sporadic, so the dealer could never replicate it. Frustrating for sure.

Sarah

Sounds good... and I guess I'm really in the BRP game now. Update kit and BUDS2 are on order and I just need to look at the thing a little closer to figure out what I have to remove to get to the affected parts. Earlier comments indicated the instructions that came with the kit are pretty clear. I guess I'll find out if all THAT stuff will need to be removed again should the SAS unit turn out be bad and it will need to be replaced too, after the update kit install.
 
... < snip > ... and it's really kinda depressing. It’s also something that I consider potentially dangerous and not sure why the NHTSA hasn’t looked into it.

Always something, eh?
I reported mine to to the NHTSA, several of us did, based on the FB groups chatter.
My bike has never thrown a code of any sort, even when when the wonky handling has been scary enough to have me bug eyed. And the issue is sporadic, so the dealer could never replicate it. Frustrating for sure.

Sarah

From what we've seen here on the Forum (re your NHTSA, and our Oz equivalent is the same :rolleyes:) it takes a WHOLE SHED LOAD of just 'reports' to the NHTSA for them to do something, but if the reports keep going in, it will eventually happen - it will seem as tho it takes forever; but you've gotta understand that it does take a bloody long while for the stack of reports to get big/tall & unstable enough that it starts threatening to fall on someone there and injure them before it becomes enough of a priority to warrant serious attention!! 😠

However, as soon as people start reporting actual accidents, preferably with injuries &/or at least media attention, then things will start to become more serious and said action will gain a higher priority!! :cautious:

BUT, whatever you do, don't start threatening BRP or anyone with legal action - DON'T EVEN THINK IT!! 😖. No matter who/what business/bureaucracy you may threaten or even just mention 'legal action' to or anything that even hints at something like that, as soon as that happens, they'll all lawyer up and the whole thing will screech to a halt and if they don't out lawyer you with their effectively unlimited supply of $$ to keep their lawyers happy, they'll grind you down with their well honed years of experience in obfuscation & delaying tactics!! You've gotta avoid mentioning lawyers at all costs (or you'll likely be paying their costs!) (didja see what I did there?? :sneaky:)

Try to work out how to raise/bring this issue to the attention of enough people (who aren't necessarily or even preferably Ryker Ryders) to make the groundswell of awareness and growing astonishment at the lack of action embarrassing for all concerned, but do it in way that doesn't get you sued! Do you know any journo's, or anyone in Govt?? Ever written/had published a really glowing product review with a real hum-dinger of a 'only draw-back that'd stop me buying' tagged on the end? Or have you ever written a petition and gathered tens of thousands of signatures?? :unsure:

Just sayin'... and ponderin' ;)
 
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