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Ryker turning left Issues

Doug's dad required surgery and a long hospital stay, so we've been running behind. Dropped the bike off at the dealership day before yesterday. We'll see how it goes.

Sarah
 
Picked up the bike yesterday. Long story short, per Can Am Headquarters all bets are off as long as I'm running a car tire on the rear. Nathan (service manager) said he didn't volunteer the information, Can Am asked specifically. Nathan said the rep told him the bike must be wearing the factory tire and throw a code or the tech needs to be able to replicate the issue. Once that happens the rep will authorize whatever fix is necessary. Nathan said my '22 already has the updated steering kit and steering stem bushing, so MarkN's fix didn't apply, and all those components were in fine shape per their inspection. Nathan and Josh (service tech) said they both rode the bike and couldn't get it to act up in any way. That doesn't surprise me, it was at least 8,000 between bobbles on our trip last summer. So they told me put the Kenda on the rear, ride till I throw a code and bring it right back to them. They had me sit on the bike while they reset the SAS and YAW rate sensors, with some weight stacked on the rack to serve as luggage. They also installed the DESS key post and programmed my keys. Didn't charge me for anything, and were as kind, patient and respectful as they could be. This was at CC Powersports in Louisville KY, and based on my experience so far I'd recommend them to anybody. So I got on the bike and rode the 100 miles home and sure enough, the bike bobbled on that one particular curve coming in from town. Wouldn't you know it. :cus:

Sarah
 
In my case, the SAS was bad and would not hold a reset (actually a rezero). That is, I would zero it, ride, then it would be off by about 5 degrees. When they reset the SAS, they would have seen what the reading was before rezroing it. If it was at or near zero, the SAS is likely OK, but if it was off when they reset it, I would question if it is good.

Another clue is if your turn signals often do not self cancel.
 
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Thank you DickB, I didn't ask any questions when they reset the sensors on Friday, but I'll call Tuesday and see what I can find out. My left turn signal has failed to cancel at least twice. Thanks again.

Sarah
 
Picked up the bike yesterday. Long story short, per Can Am Headquarters all bets are off as long as I'm running a car tire on the rear. Nathan (service manager) said he didn't volunteer the information, Can Am asked specifically. Nathan said the rep told him the bike must be wearing the factory tire and throw a code or the tech needs to be able to replicate the issue. Once that happens the rep will authorize whatever fix is necessary. Nathan said my '22 already has the updated steering kit and steering stem bushing, so MarkN's fix didn't apply, and all those components were in fine shape per their inspection. Nathan and Josh (service tech) said they both rode the bike and couldn't get it to act up in any way. That doesn't surprise me, it was at least 8,000 between bobbles on our trip last summer. So they told me put the Kenda on the rear, ride till I throw a code and bring it right back to them. They had me sit on the bike while they reset the SAS and YAW rate sensors, with some weight stacked on the rack to serve as luggage. They also installed the DESS key post and programmed my keys. Didn't charge me for anything, and were as kind, patient and respectful as they could be. This was at CC Powersports in Louisville KY, and based on my experience so far I'd recommend them to anybody. So I got on the bike and rode the 100 miles home and sure enough, the bike bobbled on that one particular curve coming in from town. Wouldn't you know it. :cus:

Sarah

the rear tire makes no difference. The bike doesn't know what brand tire is on the back, just the tire size itself matters. anyone, including BRP techs that say otherwise have no idea what they are talking about. Also, many of us are having the same issue with the stock crap kenda tires.. so it's not a rear tire issue. BRP gets really defensive about their deal with Kenda because the tires are junk.

I'm waiting for spring to hit so I can get more miles on mine. But after the last fix it seemed to be ok.

are your tire pressues right? if the front tires are low it can cause issues too. I run anywhere from 18-22 psi in the fronts depending on what kind of riding I want to do.

if your signals are not canceling that its the SAS sensor.
 
Yes, I run my tires in that range, and I've had the left signal stay on at least twice. The shop guys knew it had nothing to do with the tire, but the Can Am rep asked for the details. The Ventus V2 is right at the wear indicators and I've got a near new factory rear in the garage so I'll mount it up and we'll see how it goes. Might as well use it up anyway. I'd just shut up and shell out for a new SAS if I knew it'd resolve the issue.

Sarah
 
I understand it's a trip for you, but it might pay to go back to your dealer, have them hook up BUDS, and read the SAS angle to see if it has strayed off zero.
 
Hmm. That's a fine idea. I suppose I should put the factory tire back on first, otherwise that will be a hitch in things. Thank you very much, DickB.

Sarah
 
I understand that they're being a stickler about the tire, but that would have nothing to do with a bad SAS. Leave the tire as is, consider it a nice diversion ride, take it in and have them check (might as well check the yaw sensor as well).
 
I swapped the tire out yesterday evening, but you are right. Thanks again, and I'll keep you posted.

Sarah
 
I waited for temps to warm up a bit and headed out on the most roundabout route to the dealer I could find, right at 200 miles for the day. They said the YAW and SAS settings hadn't changed and were spot on. I'm going to try to quit pestering them for now and just ride the thing, they've shown endless patience and never charged a penny. I do want to note something based on my ride yesterday: I can still create the left turn wobble but it occurs at higher speeds and the sensation is much less exaggerated and frightening, a pleasant surprise and a big relief to me. It's more a jittery scoot feeling rather than a wild wobble, doesn't cause nearly the butt pucker. I turned around and made several passes thru that particular problem curve and the bike never acted up until I was riding twice the limit, 51 in a 25. So maybe the heavier rear tire was actually having an effect. One other factor, I did change the bushings in my front shocks, they were tattered with holes but not completely in two. I didn't have sense enough to think I was conducting an experiment, or I would have held off on the bushings.

Sarah

Edit: Per Hankook the Ventus V2 Concept 2 in 205/45 R16 weighs 18 lbs.
 
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If you're riding at twice the limit for corners, stability control could be kicking in completely normal as designed.
 
I'm thinking so too, DickB. I wish to goodness I'd thought to weigh the Kenda tire before I put it back on the bike.

Sarah
 
I did some riding over the weekend, put in over 100 miles. I had zero issues. I was able to do some nice left turn drifts as well. So whatever they did with the new SAS bushing is working, but I guess the question is how long will that last.
 
That's good to hear blackphoenix38, thanks for the follow up. Are you still running the factory tire on the rear? Thanks again.

Sarah
 
That's good to hear blackphoenix38, thanks for the follow up. Are you still running the factory tire on the rear? Thanks again.

Sarah

yeah I'm running the stock tire until I do my clutch kit, then I'm swapping to a more grippy car tire. The kenda won't have the traction I need for the power I'll be putting down.
 
Little bit of an update. Got out on a 45 mile ride today on the most curvy roads I have. Not a problem and I was hitting the curves well above what it used to set the nanny off. So far, I’m very happy ��
 
Good to hear. I’d like some suggestions for a proven rear tire in 205/45R16. I asked the service manager at the dealership about the Kenda Kanine, he then asked BRP and sent me a copy of the reply, the Kanine is not approved for use on the Ryker.

Sarah
 
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