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Ryker 600 vs 900?

The beauty of a CVT Tranny is that under a full load condition, ie full throttle, the CVT keeps the engine at its max torque output continuously regardless of the vehicles speed which results in a quicker acceleration than with shifting gears either with a manual or auto tranny. With a CVT the torque stays constant while the torque varies as the engine rpm changes as the speed is increased. Torque is a twisting force which exerts a twisting force on the drive wheel as it pushes against the road surface driving the vehicle forward.

Or something like that...:thumbup:

A good CVT will out accelerate a vehicle faster than either a manual or auto tranny with every thing else being the same.
 
The following is from John Cadogan, quoted from his 'Ultimate Transmission Comparison - Manual vs Auto vs Dual Clutch vs CVT' vid, one of the vids at www.autoexpert.com.au (he's blunt, opinionated, doesn't take any prisoners - EVER, but always tells it like it is! :thumbup:
Check em out if you've got the time, there's a lot of really interesting vids there! But enough of that, here's the quote:

.....The easiest example is maximum acceleration. Physics for dummies: Maximum acceleration occurs when the engine is delivering maximum power. That’s a particular point in revs, at wide-open throttle. In every other transmission, you cannot hold the engine at those revs. The fixed transmission ratios mean you climb to that point in revs, you pass it, you upshift, the revs drop and you repeat this process.
You chase, but only very briefly achieve, peak power.
Let’s say you want fuel economy, accelerating from 80 to 100 in a particular set of conditions. There’s an ideal engine rpm for that. The CVT will deliver that.
So, in manuals, autos, and dual-clutch transmissions, you cannot hold the engine at the required revs for the job at hand, as your road speed varies. You just cannot do that. In a CVT, you can. This is, perhaps, why CVTs were banned from Formula One motor racing in 1993 - the Williams team had a prototype ready to rip. The powers that be banned it.
The central criticism of CVTs is that they feel different - they hold the revs constant at particular power delivery requirements, as road speed changes. The sensation is the disconnection of increasing revs that conventionally goes with acceleration. The engine just sits there, at the ideal revs, and **** happens. Drive a WRX or Levorg with a CVT and see what I mean. Do it with an open mind.
The problem is: Human nature. Car nuts are inured to the sensation that climbing revs equals ‘**** happening’. CVTs are not like that. They’re better. The very thing uninformed reviewers criticise is the crucial advantage on offer. In many ways, CVT is the ideal transmission.....
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old Timer said:
A good CVT will out accelerate a vehicle faster than either a manual or auto tranny with every thing else being the same.
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Peter Aawen said:
The following is from John Cadogan, quoted from his 'Ultimate Transmission Comparison - Manual vs Auto vs Dual Clutch vs CVT' vid, one of the vids at www.autoexpert.com.au (he's blunt, opinionated, doesn't take any prisoners - EVER, but always tells it like it is! :thumbup:

Check em out if you've got the time, there's a lot of really interesting vids there! But enough of that, here's the quote:
This is, perhaps, why CVTs were banned from Formula One motor racing in 1993 - the Williams team had a prototype ready to rip. The powers that be banned it.​
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Interesting stuff, I never thought of a cvt as the performance pick.I'm sure the wife will be pleased I'm not going to have to err on the side of transvestism to ride hers.:lecturef_smilie:
So if a guy was to boost a 600 to 900 outputs would the cvt be up to it or would the 900 come with a beefier unit fitted?Ditto the shaft drive I guess.
 
Cobwebs said:
Interesting stuff, I never thought of a cvt as the performance pick.I'm sure the wife will be pleased I'm not going to have to err on the side of transvestism to ride hers.:lecturef_smilie:
So if a guy was to boost a 600 to 900 outputs would the cvt be up to it or would the 900 come with a beefier unit fitted?Ditto the shaft drive I guess.
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I'm Not a Pro But I think the 600 CVT gearing will be to Making the most of the 47 HP and 900 with be different?
 
As far as Power to weight Ratio - Horsepower Divided by weight-
F3 115 HP By 900 Pounds = 1.27
900 77 HP By 620 Pounds= 1.24
600 47 HP By 588 Pounds= .80?

So F3 and 900 are Very Close BUT some posts indicate the CVT will ALWAYS be at Max HP/Torque throughout so I Predict the 900 will Beat the F3 to 60 MPH??? 1.24 in Cars has 0-60 in 4-4.5 Seconds while .80 in the 600 could still have 0-60 in 5-6 seconds??? Such Decisions?:yikes:
 
The tuning in the CVTs will be different for the 600, and the 800.
They may run heavier weights in the primary, and steeper ramps in the secondary in the 900 in order to make use of the extra power. :thumbup:
 
I see the 600 as being for the 20 to 30 something guy or gal with a backpack that wants a lo-cost high mileage commuter to get around town and to work each day. The "Scooter" crowd if you will. It will provide them with a more secure platform great gas mileage and low cost. The 900 will be more for people that want a toy to play with on the weekend!:yes:
 
The 600 ACE and 900 ACE engines are used in the SkiDoo snowmobiles (as if you didn't know). In the snowmobile community most people even teens state that the 600 ACE just doesn't have enough. Almost all will say buy the 900 Ace. However the 600 Ace engine in a snowmobile gets the most MPG in all of the snowmobile manufactures! It gets a claimed 29 MPG and I have seen test with real world riding in the 28's. I know this is not quite the same as being in the Ryker, but thats at least some info, and word on the street from the snowmobile guys.
 
Signed up for demo day yesterday and had an opportunity to take out the 600 Ryker. That lil puppy has some serious get up and go. I weigh
225lb and it hauled me around with no problem. It was a blast around town and got up to highway speeds with no issues. The seating position was surprisingly comfortable as was the lil seat. I have a 2017 RT and am spoiled with how smooth it runs. The 600 on the other hand, has a bit of vibration and bark to it. Not problematic but be aware that it is not your big, comfy RT. I was considering the rally edition but the 600 surprised me. I may save a little money and just go with it and add some extra personalized bling.

DW
B.C.
Canada
 
Helijet said:
Signed up for demo day yesterday and had an opportunity to take out the 600 Ryker. That lil puppy has some serious get up and go. I weigh
225lb and it hauled me around with no problem. It was a blast around town and got up to highway speeds with no issues. The seating position was surprisingly comfortable as was the lil seat. I have a 2017 RT and am spoiled with how smooth it runs. The 600 on the other hand, has a bit of vibration and bark to it. Not problematic but be aware that it is not your big, comfy RT. I was considering the rally edition but the 600 surprised me. I may save a little money and just go with it and add some extra personalized bling.

DW
B.C.
Canada
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I agree- I think if I get a 600 test drive first and its like you say I might get it and add more goodys and colored panels.
The latest video from the Cal coast drive showed significant burning of rubber and hooligans with the 900. I want One of each?:yes:
 
Helijet said:
Signed up for demo day yesterday and had an opportunity to take out the 600 Ryker. That lil puppy has some serious get up and go. I weigh
225lb and it hauled me around with no problem. It was a blast around town and got up to highway speeds with no issues. The seating position was surprisingly comfortable as was the lil seat. I have a 2017 RT and am spoiled with how smooth it runs. The 600 on the other hand, has a bit of vibration and bark to it. Not problematic but be aware that it is not your big, comfy RT. I was considering the rally edition but the 600 surprised me. I may save a little money and just go with it and add some extra personalized bling.

DW
B.C.
Canada
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Good comparison. Once I bought the 2010 RT, and still owning a 2009 RS--it was like comparing a crotch rocket with a gold wing.

IMO--the Ryker kind of fits that RS description--with a few current modifications added to the Ryker.
 
How are the stock shocks on the 600 ? I was wondering if buying the upgraded shocks are needed/worth it.
 
Speedlike a blast.

My friend got to ride the 900cc Rally, she said she got it up to 95mph. She loved it.
‘I’m thinking of getting the Ryker Rally in 900, but I may wait for the 2020-2022. Just like when I bought Spyder, I white knuckled it for years and waited to buy. Wanted Can Am to work out any bugs w first models. Ryker looks like a blast to ride.
 
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