RT Turn Signal Switch Replacement

[RetiredCGRider]

My signal switch has gotten really bad, it turns on just fine to the right. But to the left I have to Jam it to get it to turn on and sometimes it doesn't go on. I haven't had any trouble with it self canceling, but when I cancel a right a turn it turns on the left signal.
Dealer says it's not a problem!! Not his problem, it's mine.

 

[NancysToy]

My signal switch has gotten really bad, it turns on just fine to the right. But to the left I have to Jam it to get it to turn on and sometimes it doesn't go on. I haven't had any trouble with it self canceling, but when I cancel a right a turn it turns on the left signal.
Dealer says it's not a problem!! Not his problem, it's mine.

If you can't hold his feet to the fire, I'd suggest that you contact Carlo. This is a safety issue.

 

[MaggieMae]

Oh My Gosh!!!

I just love this website.... :clap: You guys are great... I have had this problem from day one! I thought it was just the way I was using the switch.:sour:

I recently did a post because I had come back from a weekend of riding in Southern Ohio - parked in the garage - husband put some oil in the Spyder and the wheels would not unlock. Dash Lights went crazy... had to have it towed/carried to Dealership after discovering a fault code and limp mode. (with the help of riders on this site)

One of the three things BRP told the dealership to replace was all the controls on the left side (turn signal etc) Another problem is the Throttle issue others have had.

I know sometimes the new Ryders (like me) ask questions that you have answered a million times but I for one really appreciate your help... I don't always know where to look for the old posts regarding and issue... Thanks again to all of you. Linda

 

[Papa]

Had a service manager tell me just yesterday it was my fault. He said he has only had one person in that had the problem and that I was probably making sweeping turns as opposed to 45 degree turns. He claims it is working correctly.

 

[ThreeWheels]

Had a service manager tell me just yesterday it was my fault. He said he has only had one person in that had the problem and that I was probably making sweeping turns as opposed to 45 degree turns. He claims it is working correctly.

Your dealer is most likely correct.

As an engineer, I am embarassed to admit that functioning properly according to the design does NOT mean there won't be issues.

In other words, the turn signals operate exactly as designed, and the design sucks.

I'd be interested to find out if there is a fix for 2012.

 

[rogerb]

My dealer asked me if I was having trouble with my switch. When I told him I was he said I wasn't the only one. I was told when BRP comes up with a solution he will let me know. As long as they don't stop working I'll wait & ray:.

 

[MarkLawson]

I filed a complaint with the NHTSA on Oct 13, 2011. The ODI number is 10429271 & can be found at http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/compla...rchType=QuickSearch&summary=true&refurl=email I filed it against both the lighting and electrical systems, so there are two complaints.

The Summary states:

WHEN ATTEMPTING TO CANCEL TURN SIGNALS (LEFT OR RIGHT), IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT THE OPPOSITE TURN SIGNAL WILL BE ACTIVATED RATHER THAN CANCELING. THIS CAUSES THE DRIVER TO HAVE TO CHECK THE DASH FOR TURN SIGNAL CANCELLATION. IT IS COMMON TO HAVE THIS OCCUR MULTIPLE TIMES WITH EACH CANCELLATION ATTEMPT, CAUSING THE TURN SIGNALS TO ALTERNATE LEFT & THEN RIGHT MULTIPLE TIMES ALL WHILE TRYING TO CANCEL IT. SEVERAL ATTEMPTS AND SEVERAL SECONDS OF THE DRIVER'S ATTENTION IS OFTEN REQUIRED TO SUCCESSFULLY CANCEL TURN SIGNALS. THIS PRESENTS A SAFETY HAZARD AS THE DRIVER IS NOT WATCHING THE ROAD AND TRAFFIC AND ALSO BECAUSE THE DRIVER IS SENDING CONFUSING SIGNALS OF HIS/HER INTENT TO OTHER DRIVERS. THIS PROBLEM HAPPENS AT ANY SPEED OR WHILE STOPPED. THIS PROBLEM CAN OCCUR WITH EVERY ATTEMPT TO CANCEL THE TURN SIGNAL. THIS PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE WORSE WHILE WEARING GLOVES.

 

[TuckMiddle]

turn sw

:spyder2:

:agree:It worked great on my 2009 SE5 but on my 2011 RTS its a bear to cancel and it usually turns on the other way .

Yea, me too. I just thought it was my being spastic that caused the other turn signal to come on. Now that I know I'm still perfect, I'll mention it to the mx folks.

So far, my new RT has been pretty good. Couple DTS (or is it DPS?) and the rear shock warning about being manual, but the switch still ran the pump. They took care of those and some updates at the 3,000 mx.

I'm a happy guy. Needed 3 wheels due to my back still being messed up after 2 operations and 1/2 of lower back screwed together like an erector set.

The GA Spyders have lunch going in Augusta on the 22nd. Who ever has gas and lunch money, come on down/over or up to Augusta. Directions in the State forum section.

Gees, my red Spyder icon went to the top of the referenced message. Maybe it's electrically controlled.

Tuck

 

[GeoffCee]

The Summary states:

WHEN ATTEMPTING TO CANCEL TURN SIGNALS...

The problem is very accurately put. The date of your complaint is recent. What is your expectation of what happens next and how long will it take? :dontknow:

 

[MarkLawson]

The problem is very accurately put. The date of your complaint is recent. What is your expectation of what happens next and how long will it take? :dontknow:

My expectations? Probably nothing. I hope someone who can effect a change will decide to fix it.

By the way, thinking back on first occurrence, I'm probably off a week. I think I purchased it one week later.

 

[Bobby V]

Make that another 2011 RT-Limited with the turn switch issue....push to cancel and it turns on the other signal. Just put a 3 postion flip switch, push right it turns on the right signal, push back to center all off, and to the left left signal on. Simple 3 position switch...forget all this fance stuff...make it functional....please!

And I know it is suppose to self cancel...but sometimes the turn is not sharp enough to engage the automatic cancel when you straighten the handle bars back out. And then you look like a clown trying to get the signals off....not to mention it is confusing to other drivers and a danger.

My 2011 RT has the same problem,called my dealer and they said even there demo is doing the same thing.They are going to replace the switch.

 

[samewok]

Turn Signal

I had my turn switch changed on my 2011 RT Limited in november for sticking to the rt.
What I found even with the new sw was that is I just pressed the sw the blinker would not always turn off.
Then someone on this sight said to hold the sw for one second and it would return to center.
It does return to center when using rt or left. also shuts off after 20 sec. when moving.
I hope this will help.

 

[Bob Ledford]

Turn Signal Switch

My RTL is a 2011 with 3,000 miles on it and I have been waiting for a replacement for over 4 months with a promise of delivery by the end of Jan 2013. Which is not aceptable but what can you do ? Nothing but wait.

My switch won't cycle the lights on for a left turn and what makes it frustrating is it is an intermediate condition sometimes it do sometimes it don't. Around here with all the crazy drivers around this area you need a working turn signal switch. :banghead:

 

[Wazoo]

Design defect

Money talks. Has anyone considered consulting with a products liability attorney? This has all the earmarks of class action lawsuit. It's probably imprudent to wait for someone to die as a result of the turn signal defect before taking legal action to force BRP to take corrective action.

 

[Wazoo]

If you don't ask, you don't get

BRP is NOT a publicly traded company, leaving few options to apply leverage to the company to take action. In the US the NHTSA regulates motor vehicle recalls. THe agency's website states:

NHTSA conducts defect investigations and administers safety recalls to support its mission to improve safety on our nation's highways. NHTSA is authorized to order manufacturers to recall and repair vehicles or items of motor vehicle equipment when investigations indicate they contain serious safety defects in their design, construction, or performance. NHTSA also monitors the adequacy of manufacturers' recall campaigns. Before initiating an investigation, NHTSA carefully reviews the body of consumer complaints and other available data to determine whether a defect trend may exist. [emphasis added] The interpretation is that the agency is more likely to take action if they receive alot of complaints about the same issue. I believe that if everyone on this thread filed a complaint with the NHTSA there's a good chance there would be a recall and everyone's turn signals would be replaced; at least that's my hope. If you are interested in filing a consumer complaint with the NHTSA, the link is below. I filed mine today.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

 

[SpyRyd]

My RT side TS works perfectly; LF side TS doesn't. Not uncommon to have to push the switch several times before the LF TS comes on...no problem canceling either. I've found that slightly pressing in on the switch while pushing it to the left will turn on the TS. Something definitely wrong with the switch. Mentioned this problem to my mx tech during the 5,000 mile checkup and he said he could not replicate the issue i.e., TS works fine. Problem has gotten worse. Will report it to my dealer again next week so it can be recorded on my mx ticket for the upcoming 10,000 mile checkup. Totally agree this is a significant safety issue...I've actually started a lane change after pressing the TS switch to the left and thinking my TS was on only to glance down and see that the TS was not on...not good!

UPDATE 14 Jan 13: Contacted dealer about LF TS. New switch housing on order. Will provide another update when switch is replaced.

 

[bluestratos]

Exactly what I was looking for wazoo, thank you . I have filed the paperwork with them and hope that something is soon done to correct this problem. I had a near miss just a few weeks ago when I was in the second lane of the 4 south bound lanes on the freeway. I signaled to move to the right lane and failed to notice that after cancelling it had jumped to a left signal. The car behind me got frustrated and made a dangerous pass to the right lane than squeezed in ahead of me. We both go off at the next rest stop by coincidence and tore me a new one for not knowing how to drive.

Regards,

Randy

BRP is NOT a publicly traded company, leaving few options to apply leverage to the company to take action. In the US the NHTSA regulates motor vehicle recalls. THe agency's website states:

NHTSA conducts defect investigations and administers safety recalls to support its mission to improve safety on our nation's highways. NHTSA is authorized to order manufacturers to recall and repair vehicles or items of motor vehicle equipment when investigations indicate they contain serious safety defects in their design, construction, or performance. NHTSA also monitors the adequacy of manufacturers' recall campaigns. Before initiating an investigation, NHTSA carefully reviews the body of consumer complaints and other available data to determine whether a defect trend may exist. [emphasis added] The interpretation is that the agency is more likely to take action if they receive alot of complaints about the same issue. I believe that if everyone on this thread filed a complaint with the NHTSA there's a good chance there would be a recall and everyone's turn signals would be replaced; at least that's my hope. If you are interested in filing a consumer complaint with the NHTSA, the link is below. I filed mine today.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

 

[Schnauzer]

We both go off at the next rest stop by coincidence and tore me a new one for not knowing how to drive.

Regards,

Randy

All the more reason for me to stay ole skool and use hand signals in the daytime and electrical in the nightime..
:doorag:

 

[eddieshep999]

BRP is NOT a publicly traded company, leaving few options to apply leverage to the company to take action. In the US the NHTSA regulates motor vehicle recalls. THe agency's website states:

NHTSA conducts defect investigations and administers safety recalls to support its mission to improve safety on our nation's highways. NHTSA is authorized to order manufacturers to recall and repair vehicles or items of motor vehicle equipment when investigations indicate they contain serious safety defects in their design, construction, or performance. NHTSA also monitors the adequacy of manufacturers' recall campaigns. Before initiating an investigation, NHTSA carefully reviews the body of consumer complaints and other available data to determine whether a defect trend may exist. [emphasis added] The interpretation is that the agency is more likely to take action if they receive alot of complaints about the same issue. I believe that if everyone on this thread filed a complaint with the NHTSA there's a good chance there would be a recall and everyone's turn signals would be replaced; at least that's my hope. If you are interested in filing a consumer complaint with the NHTSA, the link is below. I filed mine today.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

Just as a matter of interest I filed my complaint ref the turn signal problem - Cancel the RIGHT then the LEFT Comes on etc from my
address with is in the UK - They have accepted the form on their website not sure what they will make of the Zip Code as it stated
you need 5 numbers I used 12345
Now they will be aware its not just a Canadian/USA safety issue but it affects other markets to - Perhaps they will take to lead on this one

Update - See reply

ADN13-21876.



[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thank you for submitting your Portable Form for Temporary Complaint Number (TCN) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ADN13-21876 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif], your complaint has been received.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Please note that your Portable Form can only be submitted once (the system will reject the form if an attempt is made to submit it again). Should you need to update or revise your complaint, please contact [email protected], or call the Auto Safety Hotline at (888) 327-4236.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After your complaint has been processed further, you will receive another email advising of its status.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thank you,[/FONT]
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National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)
U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT)[/FONT]

 

[SpyRyd]

Update...

My RT side TS works perfectly; LF side TS doesn't. Not uncommon to have to push the switch several times before the LF TS comes on...no problem canceling either. I've found that slightly pressing in on the switch while pushing it to the left will turn on the TS. Something definitely wrong with the switch. Mentioned this problem to my mx tech during the 5,000 mile checkup and he said he could not replicate the issue i.e., TS works fine. Problem has gotten worse. Will report it to my dealer again next week so it can be recorded on my mx ticket for the upcoming 10,000 mile checkup. Totally agree this is a significant safety issue...I've actually started a lane change after pressing the TS switch to the left and thinking my TS was on only to glance down and see that the TS was not on...not good!

UPDATE today, 14 Jan 13: Contacted dealer about LF TS. New switch housing on order. Will provide another update when switch is replaced.