Highwayman2013
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Sorry that got side tracked, yes the RT bar works. We put the Bajaron F3 bar on for that little extra.
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RT Sway Bar?
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Sorry that got side tracked, yes the RT bar works. We put the Bajaron F3 bar on for that little extra.
I ran my '14 RTL 9000 miles without BajaRon's swaybar, then over 9000 miles with it. When I installed the swaybar, I also installed Ron's shock adjusters to get the front end off the ground. I can say that the difference before and after the swaybar change was night and day. My Spyder was much more stable in the crosswind and the curves. Although I am glad I rode both ways to really tell the difference, I wish I hadn't waited a year to make the change. If one does not ride aggressive or push their Spyder to the limit, the stock bar should be fine.
SpyderAnn01
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i have about 65,000 miles without a bar and the aforementioned 125,000 with. The "lab coat wearing engineers" design for the average rider and for the lowest cost. If you had one of them ride with the stiffer bars I'm sure they'd like it better than stock.
Yazz
MOgang Member
Geeze, you are a noob! Before you go pontificating your ideas on how BRP does business, you need to look at the history of the Spyder.
'08 and '09 had recalls for bad DPSs. Your Spyder would decide to dart right or left, sometimes into oncoming traffic with no input from you. Also those lab coat guys decided to to put the purge valve drain tube above the exhaust pipe. Yeah, gas was dripping on a very hot surface. A couple Spyders burned. It took a very ugly campaign on Spyderlovers for BRP to acknowledge things needed to be fixed.
Talking about fires, let's not forget the '13 ST and RT. It's more recent history so use the search function and look at the pictures. I believe it took a LEO Spyder burning to the ground before they started taking the heat problem seriously. They finally put out a good fix for keeping the engine cool.
In the last couple years BRP has gotten their act together and are coming out with some great Spyders with not as big a problems and they're quicker to acknowledge said problems and fix them.
The reason there are aftermarket businesses is because people saw a problem and made something to fix it. Take for example the plastic heim joints designed by lab coats guys. If you are a experienced/technical rider, they can break. No fun sitting by the side of the road.
BahaRon came up with metal heim joints that are more robust. Haven't heard of one of his breaking. Maybe he didn't like how the Spyder wallowed in the curves and came up with a better sway bar. Maybe SpyderPops didn't like the heat on his feet and came up with a heat management system. Other vendors saw different problems and some are into cosmetic customizing so you can find it in a parking lot full of Spyders. Nothing wrong with that.
If the Spyder, off the showroom floor was perfect, there would be no aftermarket vendors.
Just some cud to chew on...
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Glad people are using RT sway bars on the F3. I got a BahaRon one and it makes a big difference in taking the twisties!
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SpyderAnn01
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Right on Joy!!
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T.P.
Member
I picked up a 2017 F3-T PB1 from Pitbull Powersports back in February and rode it 600 miles home to Minneapolis.
It came with a take off RT swaybar, after chatting with Ron he came back with the below comments
(Ron) here is my take.
F3 Stock, Very good
F3 With the RT bar, Noticeably better.
F3 With my bar, Impressive.
I soon ordered a Ronbar and heim links from Lamont and installed it, Yes it was an Impressive upgrade, I put 1400+ miles on it heading to Spyderfest and back home.
Sold the take off RT bar with the blocks and the heim links for $50 to a local Minnesota guy, he's way happy!
You should be able to also pick one up cheap, but remember it's still not the top swaybar FOR THE F3
I do need to send a message to Ron soon for more feedback. I have since added the rear topcase.
As follows F3 dry weight 899 pounds
F3-T dry weight 948 pounds
F3 Limited dry weight 988 pounds
RT,RT's, Rt limited dry weight 1012 pounds
T.P.
It came with a take off RT swaybar, after chatting with Ron he came back with the below comments
(Ron) here is my take.
F3 Stock, Very good
F3 With the RT bar, Noticeably better.
F3 With my bar, Impressive.
I soon ordered a Ronbar and heim links from Lamont and installed it, Yes it was an Impressive upgrade, I put 1400+ miles on it heading to Spyderfest and back home.
Sold the take off RT bar with the blocks and the heim links for $50 to a local Minnesota guy, he's way happy!
You should be able to also pick one up cheap, but remember it's still not the top swaybar FOR THE F3
I do need to send a message to Ron soon for more feedback. I have since added the rear topcase.
As follows F3 dry weight 899 pounds
F3-T dry weight 948 pounds
F3 Limited dry weight 988 pounds
RT,RT's, Rt limited dry weight 1012 pounds
T.P.
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Highwayman2013
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Don't forget the 2013 stock sway bar links snapping.
SpyderAnn01
Active member
You mean you don't?It's tough when facts don't matter....
Maybe I should wear a lab coat.... :roflblack:
BajaRon
Well-known member
OUCH!!! :roflblack:
Hey Yu
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This may appear off topic but bear with me. In 2002 I had an H-D Sportster (new XLH) and joined a couple of forums. One of the most discussed items was the replacement of front fork springs and rear shock absorbers. This was after the engineers at H-D spent plenty of time and money to develop the items for the bike. It was universally accepted that the items were built to a price and a low standard of acceptability. Fifteen years later, Sportster riders are still replacing those items on new bikes (Indian Scout owners too). Whether or not the engineers were wearing lab coats is irrelevant. These items are performance related as they affect the handling and safety of the bike, yet they came from the factory as a poor minimum standard. One of the members of one of the forums was very vocal about the poor standard of those stock suspension components. Likewise for the sway bar on the Spyders. Made to a minimum standard to appease the bean counters and is good enough for many of the riders. Of the 100,000+ Spyders made many, if not most, will not have changed the sway bar because the rider hasn't found a need. For those that have found the need, it gets changed.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
BRP - ENGINEERING
That F-3 you have - did they send /give you the FRAME RE-ENFORCEMENT PATCH IT UP KIT ....... or has BRP decided to re-engineer the frame to carry the NORMAL LOAD like it should have been............. just curious about how those Lab coated folks are handling this ......................... Mike :thumbup:
DGoebel
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Simple test
One of each model / series with stock bar, one cell phone mounted with a app for measuring / logging cornering performance (there's gotta be one), one rider, one course, multiple passes with stock bar, upgrade to alternate bar, multiple passes with alternate bar, rinse and repeat.. WHAT DO the numbers say?
OR Blind Ryder test (not that the ryder is blind) , but a subjective test with same bike, same rider, same course, and a questionnaire at the end of several passes, switch bars (Ron how long does it take you to swap bars?) and repeat.
Maybe Road-Kill (or anyone sceptical of the potential improvement) could be one of the Ryders????
Maybe this could be a scheduled public welcome prize kinda of lottery winner demonstration / test?
One of each model / series with stock bar, one cell phone mounted with a app for measuring / logging cornering performance (there's gotta be one), one rider, one course, multiple passes with stock bar, upgrade to alternate bar, multiple passes with alternate bar, rinse and repeat.. WHAT DO the numbers say?
OR Blind Ryder test (not that the ryder is blind) , but a subjective test with same bike, same rider, same course, and a questionnaire at the end of several passes, switch bars (Ron how long does it take you to swap bars?) and repeat.
Maybe Road-Kill (or anyone sceptical of the potential improvement) could be one of the Ryders????
Maybe this could be a scheduled public welcome prize kinda of lottery winner demonstration / test?
Common sense but I cant put on and take off like its easily detachable. I'm trying to order it as I type this from Value Accessories but my discount "Spyderlovers" does not work. My goal is to install it and then post an honest evaluation. A waste of $400.00 with labor? As posted by other members, how can I form an opinion on something I never experienced.
Does anyone know the discount code so I can order it? 10% is $28.00 saved....that's a few lattes in Starbucks.
Highwayman2013
New member
It's not really too hard to install. Not sure about a discount, Ron?
monkeyboymorton
Member
There's no need for a test, a stiffer anti-roll bar will make any vehicle corner flatter. It's all in the name.
The RT anti-roll bar is stiffer than the F3 one, so an F3 with one fitted will roll less than a standard one. The Baja Ron one for the F3 is stiffer again than the standard RT one, so an F3 with one fitted will roll even less.
These are facts, not opinion. Debating whether it will make a difference is irrelevant, it just will. End of story.
The only discussion to have is whether you think you need one on your F3, and that's down to personal choice.
The RT anti-roll bar is stiffer than the F3 one, so an F3 with one fitted will roll less than a standard one. The Baja Ron one for the F3 is stiffer again than the standard RT one, so an F3 with one fitted will roll even less.
These are facts, not opinion. Debating whether it will make a difference is irrelevant, it just will. End of story.
The only discussion to have is whether you think you need one on your F3, and that's down to personal choice.
Agree. I have rt bar and bajaron links on my f3s.
Other half has bajaron bar and links on Daytona.
Definitely worth it in the twisties - though imo not as vast a difference as on my st. F3 seems better out of the blocks, so the improvement is a little more incremental.
Bam Bam and Pebbles
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God I love posts like this one. Nothing like a good argument to brighten my work night/morning.
Anyway......I had a 2012RTS and that definitely needed a BajaRon swaybar. Didn't put one on, I just traded it for the 2105RTS I have now. Haven't put a bar on it, and don't plan to. Rides real nice and I ride aggressively. Generally about 30 or 35MPH over the speed limit in turns. Put Federal Evo's on the fronts and have gone 40 over in some turns. I don't need a new swaybar, but if someone wants their ride better, it is their choice so why rag on them.
I have been on this site for the 2 1/2 years I have owned a Spyder. I have gotten a ton of help and opinions from the members here. Some good, some not so much. But I would never question their motivation in recommending a product. For the most part, the products they talk about have been proven to have value. Is it worth the monetary cost? That is up to them to decide. But it isn't like these people do nothing but talk about swaybars when the conversation is about louder exhausts. They have good insights since a lot of them have been on Spyders for a lot longer than I have.
Having said all of that, I think some people have drank the Kool Aid on certain vendors, and some buy way too many accessories, but that is their right since it is their money. I don't have a ton of extra money lying around, so I have kept my purchases to a minimum. Car tires all around to help with handling. Armrests for Pebbles to make it a more comfortable ride for her. A heel toe shifter so I could ride a little sooner after having a toe amputated, and a used shorty windshield so I can feel the wind when I'm riding
Buy or don't buy, but to accuse them of being in a giant BajaRon swaybar conspiracy is a bit much.
Anyway......I had a 2012RTS and that definitely needed a BajaRon swaybar. Didn't put one on, I just traded it for the 2105RTS I have now. Haven't put a bar on it, and don't plan to. Rides real nice and I ride aggressively. Generally about 30 or 35MPH over the speed limit in turns. Put Federal Evo's on the fronts and have gone 40 over in some turns. I don't need a new swaybar, but if someone wants their ride better, it is their choice so why rag on them.
I have been on this site for the 2 1/2 years I have owned a Spyder. I have gotten a ton of help and opinions from the members here. Some good, some not so much. But I would never question their motivation in recommending a product. For the most part, the products they talk about have been proven to have value. Is it worth the monetary cost? That is up to them to decide. But it isn't like these people do nothing but talk about swaybars when the conversation is about louder exhausts. They have good insights since a lot of them have been on Spyders for a lot longer than I have.
Having said all of that, I think some people have drank the Kool Aid on certain vendors, and some buy way too many accessories, but that is their right since it is their money. I don't have a ton of extra money lying around, so I have kept my purchases to a minimum. Car tires all around to help with handling. Armrests for Pebbles to make it a more comfortable ride for her. A heel toe shifter so I could ride a little sooner after having a toe amputated, and a used shorty windshield so I can feel the wind when I'm riding
Buy or don't buy, but to accuse them of being in a giant BajaRon swaybar conspiracy is a bit much.
Road-Kill, It seems that all of the unpaid/unsolicited testimonials for sway bars have swayed you. I noticed that BajaRon offers a 30-day money back guarantee. If it were me, I would buy his swaybar and metal heim links and test them out hard for about 20-25 days and make up your own mind as to their value. If you don't think they are significantly additive, then you can put back the stock parts and send the BajaRon parts back for a refund less your cost of shipping the parts back. I applaud you for having enough of an open mind to entertain a couple of products that might make your ryding experience more fun. Much good luck.
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