RT engine vs Gold Wing engine

[05titanle]

Ok let me start by saying this is more of a question and answer thread, because i dont know much about the true facts about the wing engine. Hear is my two cents. we are already hearing that the engine on the RT is to small and the gas milage is bad, before 99% of the people have even riden the RT. it is not a 30 year old concept like the gold wing, it is all new, i thing the BRP design team did a great job on the first two models in three years in the market of on the road riding, here again is my two cents.
RT vs GW
lets say the RT gets 30 mpg and the GW gets 40 mpg.
30 x 6 = 180 miles
40 x 6 = 240 miles
so we spending $ 25000.00 on the machine, are we worried more about the extra $ 5.00 it cost us to go 60 more miles or that we could ride 60 more miles?
I think if we are spending $ 25,000.00, $5 bucks is not going to make me buy a GW.

Second= what is the percentage of people that ride over 180 miles without stopping. not me!
Third = RT will go over the US speed limit, so how fast do you need to go?

When you go buy a new car do you buy the one that gets 40 mpg over the one that get 30 mpg. or how far you can go on a tank of gas, NO you buy the one you like the best.

Can't wait for my RT-S and trailer to get here. :2thumbs:

 

[ataDude]

You just have to ride one to believe how torque-y (is that a word?) the 1800cc engine is (or the 1500cc for that matter).

You can lug it down to about 15mph in 5th and still nicely accelerate... without roughness or hurting the engine. Plus, they are bulletproof... hundreds of thousands of miles on engines without ever opening them up. That's the rule, not the exception.

I have a Valkyrie... which has a modified GW 1500cc engine... and it is the same... torque-y and bulletproof.

Did I mention smooth? Ever hear of the nickel trick? On the Valk, you can place a nickel on it's edge on one of the valve covers and start it up, gun it... whatever... the nickel stays in place.

Did I mention I'm a huge fan of Honda's flat six engines? hyea:

But... I'm with you... mileage is secondary to a large degree. And range... it doesn't matter much either... I like to get off every 100 miles or so.
.

 

[Trickie Dick]

"When you go buy a new car do you buy the one that gets 40 mpg over the one that get 30 mpg. or how far you can go on a tank of gas, NO you buy the one you like the best."

In this day and age, all things being equal, of course you buy the one with the better mileage. At least I would.

 

[spyryder]

Looks like a Goldwing trike doesn't get much better mileage if any:

http://www.gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199695

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

GOLDWING

You just have to ride one to believe how torque-y (is that a word?) the 1800cc engine is (or the 1500cc for that matter).

You can lug it down to about 15mph in 5th and still nicely accelerate... without roughness or hurting the engine. Plus, they are bulletproof... hundreds of thousands of miles on engines without ever opening them up. That's the rule, not the exception.

I have a Valkyrie... which has a modified GW 1500cc engine... and it is the same... torque-y and bulletproof.

Did I mention smooth? Ever hear of the nickel trick? On the Valk, you can place a nickel on it's edge on one of the valve covers and start it up, gun it... whatever... the nickel stays in place.

Did I mention I'm a huge fan of Honda's flat six engines? hyea:

But... I'm with you... mileage is secondary to a large degree. And range... it doesn't matter much either... I like to get off every 100 miles or so.
.

:agree:

Michael:doorag:

 

[Firefly]

Looks like a Goldwing trike doesn't get much better mileage if any:

http://www.gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199695

And that is the proper comparison to make in my opinion.

Give it time---- There will be a Spyder with a bigger engine.

 

[jwfranklin]

My Rune has a modified GW 1800cc engine, My Rune is cammed different and has 6 injectors were the GW has 2. The Rune is as smooth as they come. I seldom think of coming out of 5th unless I'm under 35. Has all the torque and HP most people could ever want. Personally there are 2 things you can never have to much of, clevage and HP.

 

[Lamonster]

As a big fan of the flat 6 and the Spyder I would love to see the flat 6 in the Spyder, that would be the perfect setup but it ain't happening. You have trade offs. Do you go with the Spyder that is much safer as a 3 wheeler and will do everything needed to do in a real world situation with enough money left over to buy a used RS or do you go with a proven leader in reliability that has power to spare and will most likely out live the owner?

If Honda made a Spyder like Roadster I would be all over that in a heart beat but knowing Honda they will wait 20 years to see if it's a good idea or not. They just came out with their first side by side two years ago and last year they came out with the Fury (Chopper) way after the chopper crazy was over.

BRP on the other hand invented the snowmobile, the first sit down PWC, the first two seater atv and now the Spyder. From where I stand BRP still has the passion for what they do and that's why they are moving forward while all the other companies are dropping back.

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

Honda vs BRP

As a big fan of the flat 6 and the Spyder I would love to see the flat 6 in the Spyder, that would be the perfect setup but it ain't happening. You have trade offs. Do you go with the Spyder that is much safer as a 3 wheeler and will do everything needed to do in a real world situation with enough money left over to buy a used RS or do you go with a proven leader in reliability that has power to spare and will most likely out live the owner?

If Honda made a Spyder like Roadster I would be all over that in a heart beat but knowing Honda they will wait 20 years to see if it's a good idea or not. They just came out with their first side by side two years ago and last year they came out with the Fury (Chopper) way after the chopper crazy was over.

BRP on the other hand invented the snowmobile, the first sit down PWC, the first two seater atv and now the Spyder. From where I stand BRP still has the passion for what they do and that's why they are moving forward while all the other companies are dropping back.

Yes, I pretty much agree on all counts. I understand that Honda was seriously considering building a 3-wheel Trike (2 back-1 front) and the idea was put on hold because of the product liability issue. Honda took a beating after building and selling the 3-wheel ATV's (remember those issues). I know that BRB is not done with touring machines and I think we all know that engine options are coming sooner maybe than later. IMHO
I think the best is yet to come.nojoke Don't count Honda out either; they didn't become the world's largest Motorcycle manufacturer by being stupid.


Michael:doorag:

 

[Dudley]

Looks like a Goldwing trike doesn't get much better mileage if any:

http://www.gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199695

Thank you for this information. It is very informative for those who are looking for comparison.

 

[retread]

When I ask conversion trike owners about their gas mileage, they change the subject. Any 3 wheeler is going to get less mileage than a comparable 2 wheeler, laws of physics kick in.

john

 

[Magic Man]

So my question is....

Why does everybody seem to be shocked that a motor almost twice the size (998cc to 1800cc) with 3 times the cylinders is more powerful and smoother than the V-Twin Spyder motor?

Given that thinking the 6 cylinder GW is way down on power compaired to the 6 cylinder Volvo 16 liter engine in my tractor trailer. :shocked:

The old saying "THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT" has not been around so long for no reason.

I'm not really sure how many people will really be torn between a 2 wheeled GW and a 3 wheeled Spyder ether. It's really two different kinds of bikes for sure. Both for touring but different.

Now if we want to talk 3 wheels, than the Spyder's mileage next to a 3 wheeled GW is not that far off, and once the GW starts pulling all the extra weight as a 3 wheeler it's performance goes way down as well.

Then there is the whole price issue too. An RT will be far cheaper than a 3 wheeled GW by a good deal. So, how much gas can you buy with 15K?

Also, how is that factory warranty on the GW once you start pulling a trailer with it?

Take the only other major OEM trike out there, the Tri Glide by HD and the Spyder looks GREAT on every count. Price, power, mpg, trailer pulling, and on and on.

All I can say is, if you want a Spyder to be a GW than you are missing the whole Spyder thing big time. There will ALWAYS be somebody making something that may have a better this or that when looked at one at a time. But overall I think the Spyder is the best major OEM made 3 wheeler out there, hands down. :2thumbs:

Now, if you want to compair it to all bikes (2 wheeled units) I'm sure there may be some shortcomings, but then it's not suposed to be a 2 wheeler ether.

MM

 

[Director]

So my question is....

Why does everybody seem to be shocked that a motor almost twice the size (998cc to 1800cc) with 3 times the cylinders is more powerful and smooth than the V-Twin Spyder motor?

Given that thinking the 6 cylinder GW is way down on power compaired to the 6 cylinder Volvo 16 liter engine in my tractor trailer. :shocked:

The old saying "THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT" has not been around so long for no reason.

I'm not really sure how many people will really be torn between a 2 wheeled GW and a 3 wheeled Spyder ether. It's really two different kinds of bikes for sure. Both for touring but different.

Now if we want to talk 3 wheels, than the Spyder's mileage next to a 3 wheeled GW is not that far off, and once the GW starts pulling all the extra weight as a 3 wheeler it's performance goes way down as well.

Then there is the whole price issue too. An RT will be far cheaper than a 3 wheeled GW by a good deal. So, how much gas can you buy with 15K?

Also, how is that factory warranty on the GW once you start pulling a trailer with it?

Take the only other major OEM trike out there the Tri Glide by HD and the Spyder looks GREAT on every count. Price, power, mpg, trailer pulling, and on and on.

All I can say is, if you want a Spyder to be a GW than you are missing the whole Spyder thing big time. There will ALWAYS be somebody making something that may have a better this or that when looked at one at a time. But overall I think the Spyder is the best major OEM made 3 wheeler out there, hands down. :2thumbs:

Now, if you want to compair it to all bikes (2 wheeled units) I'm sure there may be some shortcomings, but then it's not suposed to be a 2 wheeler ether.

MM

:agree: Yes, could not have put it better! The Spyder is a unique vehicle. We should truly appreciate and embrace its singularity. :thumbup:

Bruce

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

Trike

When I ask conversion trike owners about their gas mileage, they change the subject. Any 3 wheeler is going to get less mileage than a comparable 2 wheeler, laws of physics kick in.

john

The group I ride with, of which there are three Goldwing trikes all get in the lower to upper 30's depending on conditions. This is usually always with 2 up and some luggage. We usually fill our rides up at the same stop so I see what they all put in (Kind of a contest). I usually win because mine usually takes more fuel. I didn't buy my Spyder for Gas mileage so I just tell them that a racing machine will always take more fuel and they all think the Spyder is very fast.hyea:Hope we never have to actually race!


Michael:doorag:

 

[Magic Man]

the first sit down PWC

BRP's PWC was actually the First PWC sold period. :firstplace:

It was out before Kawaski started selling the Jet-Ski.

It had some clutch and water issues and was not sold very long, but it was still the first PWC sold. :thumbup:

MM

 

[jimmykjimmy]

The Real Issue

Let's face it guys, all the tech talk is okay BUT the Spyder is a chick magnet. I've had more women want to sit on the Spyder than would ever want to sit on a GW. (Haven't told my wife yet). :yes:

 

[BAZMAN]

mpg

your darn right i look at mpg. i live rio rancho nm. at 5000ft. i drive moderately. whether its around toen or mixed driving, i am getting a constant 39mpg. lamont posted that he usually gets 32mpg when he pulls
his trailer. 2 people i know have gold wings 2 and 3 wheelers. the 2 gets 45 to 48 mpg and the trike gets 38 to 40 mpg. both are 1800's.
its not just the torque, its the gearing. if the hondas were geared like the
spyder thet would be getting terrible mpg too.
lamont posted that the torque on the new spyder comes on at 1000rpm
sooner. my 2008 spyder pulls from 2700rpms in all gears even riding 2 up.
according the posts i have read the rpms on the new rt rpms are 5500 at
75mph. the same as my spyder. in 5th gear. as i have said before they
can easily have 5th gear 4500rpms at 75mph. i do not think having a bigger engine is going to help if brp cannot figure out how to gear it
properly. also remember some of the 1st spyders had some problems.
even if i decide to buy an rt. it wont be the 1st year. and it will not
happen untill they improve the mpg.

 

[Dragonrider]

Well, my SM5 gets 27, my K1200LT gets 58, my V-Rod gets 35, and my Valk gets 38 (BTW attadude, my Valk's license is "F6" - eat your heart out)

 

[chris56]

i think the times of the goldwings are gone .. now we live in the spyder-century..
to discuss about the 2 engines - we need the weight first..
so the spyder would be 20% (?) more heavier with this flat6..
so also more mpg aso..
as far as i know the rotax is they lightweights on the market..
chris

 

[BRPjunkie]

BRP's PWC was actually the First PWC sold period. :firstplace:

It was out before Kawaski started selling the Jet-Ski.

It had some clutch and water issues and was not sold very long, but it was still the first PWC sold. :thumbup:

MM

Right you are. Clayton Jacobson worked with Bombardier to develop the first Sea Doo in 1968. After two years of assorted mechanical and liability problems, they gave up and Jacobson bought the rights to the idea from Boambardier. He went to Kawasaki where they built the first stand up Jet Ski in 1973. Bombardier was five years ahead of Kawasaki who many still believe "invented" the PWC.