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RS and ST now extinct: Future only F3 and RT

The RS and ST join many other has been vehicles that litter the landscape. They all had their devotees who undoubtedly also cried profuse tears when they died: Hudson, Studebaker, Desoto, Imperial, Edsel, Rambler, Oldsmobile, DeLorean, Saturn, Plymouth, Ford big trucks, International Scout and pickup, and many others. The market is cruel to those who misjudge it.
 
The RS and ST join many other has been vehicles that litter the landscape. They all had their devotees who undoubtedly also cried profuse tears when they died: Hudson, Studebaker, Desoto, Imperial, Edsel, Rambler, Oldsmobile, DeLorean, Saturn, Plymouth, Ford big trucks, International Scout and pickup, and many others. The market is cruel to those who misjudge it.


I miss my Yugo
 
RS & ST mow extinct

But are you forgetting that there are no new designs from the design table before next summer, Bob? :dontknow: ;)

Nope, it's a whole 'nother year to wait around to see if BRP does something other than the F3 and RT... grrrrrr.

BTW, as another resident RS champion in these parts: I'm bummed, but completely unsurprised, we all knew this day was coming. The only surprise is the small one, that BRP dropped the line without immediately replacing it with something new. While having four models in the stable was clearly too much for a niche vehicle, I'm not sure that dropping from four to two is a good look for BRP, my first impression is that it smells of brand *weakness*, and not confidence in the future of the product line. Particularly since we're back to a single engine model for the entire lineup-- a great engine, to be clear, but also an expensive one, i.e. the entry fee for Spyder ownership continues to remain very high for all but the most committed buyers.

Then again, I also wouldn't be surprised if BRP was running the numbers on the late-model Spyder market and realizing the obvious: it helps no one but the immediate consumer to have so many 2015, 2014, and older (!) "new" models sitting on the floor begging for deep discounts. BRP's completely hosed the resale market on Spyders from the beginning-- a new brand was never going to hold value all that much, but it's not going to hold anything at all when you can buy new bikes off the floor for the same price or less as a used bike. If the RS and the ST weren't selling through on the dealer floor, it was indeed time to drop them rather than continuing to bring out yet another model year to gather dust awaiting the inevitable mfr discounts.

Agreed, Love my RS, picked it up for less than 13K out the door. They have priced the base F-3 at the entry price for a RS used to be. Which says that the same discounts will now be applied to the new lower entry price of the base F-3. However; to get to something that will tow, now your talking mid 24K. For that price might just a well by the RT base, much less expense to have 3-4X's the storage and carrying capacities of the F-3's.

Decisions, decisions.:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
 
Will the RT model lineup be next?

I see them axing them within a few years, heck, all one sees now is the F3's being advertised, big push, and why have a v-twin when 3's cylinders are better. I prefer a twin; always have, from 2 wheel motorcycle cruisers to my Rt Limited Can Am, so I guess I'll sit back while BRP pushes on. Car manufacturers discontinue models now BRP can join the bunch, just saying.
 
But are you forgetting that there are no new designs from the design table before next summer, Bob? :dontknow: ;)

Nope, it's a whole 'nother year to wait around to see if BRP does something other than the F3 and RT... grrrrrr.

BTW, as another resident RS champion in these parts: I'm bummed, but completely unsurprised, we all knew this day was coming. The only surprise is the small one, that BRP dropped the line without immediately replacing it with something new. While having four models in the stable was clearly too much for a niche vehicle, I'm not sure that dropping from four to two is a good look for BRP, my first impression is that it smells of brand *weakness*, and not confidence in the future of the product line. Particularly since we're back to a single engine model for the entire lineup-- a great engine, to be clear, but also an expensive one, i.e. the entry fee for Spyder ownership continues to remain very high for all but the most committed buyers.

Then again, I also wouldn't be surprised if BRP was running the numbers on the late-model Spyder market and realizing the obvious: it helps no one but the immediate consumer to have so many 2015, 2014, and older (!) "new" models sitting on the floor begging for deep discounts. BRP's completely hosed the resale market on Spyders from the beginning-- a new brand was never going to hold value all that much, but it's not going to hold anything at all when you can buy new bikes off the floor for the same price or less as a used bike. If the RS and the ST weren't selling through on the dealer floor, it was indeed time to drop them rather than continuing to bring out yet another model year to gather dust awaiting the inevitable mfr discounts.

Hi, Dave. Haven't seen you around the forum much this summer. Hope that's because you are getting a lot of riding time in. :thumbup:

You make some very good points there. :thumbup: First, if BRP has any new design on the table, it's not going to market this year, when they are only one model year away from their big 10-year anniversary. I suspect we may see something new released for 2018.

But even more importantly, I believe your comments about lacking sales has a lot to do with current marketing strategy. My dealer told me today that US sales nationwide are down about 45% from last year, and his two stores here in Eastern PA are down significantly more than that with respect to Spyder Sales. There was just a thread a couple of days ago about a dealer in North Jersey dropping the line altogether. Dwayne just commented on the dealer situation in Alaska. I'll bet there are similar stories all across the US and Canada. We all know that 2015 was also not much of a banner year either for BRP. I'm sure you are correct about this having a lot to do with BRP dropping the slower selling models for 2017. Heck, in this sales environment, even the introduction of the new F3 Ltd. was probably considered to be somewhat of a risk.
 
I see them axing them within a few years, heck, all one sees now is the F3's being advertised, big push, and why have a v-twin when 3's cylinders are better. I prefer a twin; always have, from 2 wheel motorcycle cruisers to my Rt Limited Can Am, so I guess I'll sit back while BRP pushes on. Car manufacturers discontinue models now BRP can join the bunch, just saying.
RT could be around for a long time, just like the Goldwing. It's been 41 years for the 'wing with evolutionary changes along the way, about once every ten years, but it's still a 'wing. Then there's the Valkyrie. Subordinate to the 'wing with a lot of great features that a lot of folks liked. It's come and gone. Same with the Runo, but shorter lived. And the Silverwing, come and gone. But 'wing keeps on going. And now the F6B. It's to the Goldwing kind of like the F3 is to the RT. They both may last a long time while the king of the lineup keeps on going and going and ..... And then again, they may not.
 
I see them axing them within a few years, heck, all one sees now is the F3's being advertised, big push, and why have a v-twin when 3's cylinders are better. I prefer a twin; always have, from 2 wheel motorcycle cruisers to my Rt Limited Can Am, so I guess I'll sit back while BRP pushes on. Car manufacturers discontinue models now BRP can join the bunch, just saying.
Don't think the RT will be on the chopping block, a redesign block probably!
 
The big problem for me is the sitting position of F3's as the only option for my long legs was feet forward which I've never liked.

I also found the 1330 engine surprisingly underpowered when I took an F3 out for a demo ride. How you could produce an engine with more cc, bhp, torque in a lighter bike and yet it's still slower than an older model I do find amazing.

However for RS owners like me there may well be an alternative in the form of the Honda Neowing as it may be going into production by the end of this year.
 
RS owner point of view.

I am a big RS fan and a long term owner of a 2010 model.

I understand why BRP have consolidated to just supporting models based around one engine.

However it is disappointing that the range going forwards does not offer any options for the sports bike rider, especially considering it was the RS that started the line & the Spyder platform success.

In just offering cruiser and touring models, it does cut much of the existing Spyder customer base out.

It is also disappointing that the expansion to the existing range going forwards consisted of nothing more than a model reducing nanny intervention (should be standard anyway) and the ability to have a custom back box for more storage. This is hardly ground breaking.

Reducing 4 models to 2, cutting out the sports bike customer base all together, but provide the option of reducing nanny intervention (only if you upgrade your bike), or add a integrated back box is not really progressive.

Honda are likely to bring the Neowing into production in 2017 (formal announcement due by end of next month).

This has a hybid boxer engine (4 cylinder as used in the Goldwing : it will share the same engine as the Goldwing going forwards). Not only this, it is a leaning reverse trike (much narrower front ended than a Spyder) & will compete directly with the F3 and will offer an option to the existing RS customer base (see attached photos : it looks much more like a traditional bike).

With Honda dealerships everywhere, their strong reliability reputation & big $$ r&d budgets, expect this bike to make a big impact.

I hope BRP offer something for us sports bikers, if not much of the RS customer base might look elsewhere, & the Neowing looks like a good starting point.
 

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The big problem for me is the sitting position of F3's as the only option for my long legs was feet forward which I've never liked.

What about the new floorboards Lamont just came out with for the F3? From his pictures they appear to help a bit with the foot position.
 
Well, I guess once my 2009 GS is worn out( still runs and looks great), I'll be out of the Spyder scene.
I am a "mid- controls" guy, I like to hug my bike, move around when going into turns.....
I like to stand up if I feel like it, I like to use my legs as shock absorbers sometimes.....
So unless they come out with some way of having those controls, I'll be gone.
Funny, they build the F3, tell ya it's for limited 2-up riding, put a rear shock on it that can't handle 2 stout people, and now the choices dwindle....
I understand their logic, just don't agree with it.

Bill Pitman
Amen!
:riding:
 
Those are also my thoughts. I have sit on F3's several times at the dealer and my long legs do feel right unless I can get the pegs adjusted all the way forward which they will not do for someone on the showroom. If I do manage to fit my legs under the cowling, I will not have the options to move them around like I do on my ST with floor boards and highway pegs.
 
There are plenty of options for where you put your feet... :thumbup:
Your dealer should certainly be able to use the "test-fit" apparatus, that they have. Once mounted to an F3: it allows you to test ALL of the various footpeg and handlebar options. nojoke
 
What about the new floorboards Lamont just came out with for the F3? From his pictures they appear to help a bit with the foot position.

I'm afraid I'm not a fan of floorboards, prefer pegs and like those to be mounted back so my feet are sloped downwards towards the front. The RS has it's pegs about as far forward as I'd want them. I also ride a manual which don't work too well with footboards.

I'm 6'2" but long legged (36" inside leg when buying jeans). If you go on the F3 'fitting' page you'll see the foot peg position it recommends for that height is 5 - i.e. maximum forward, it will not even let you slide it back further than 3 which is still very forward. On the test ride I also found my knees catching the bodywork where it flares out.
 
There are plenty of options for where you put your feet... :thumbup:
Your dealer should be able to use the "test-fit" apparatus, that they have. Once mounted to an F3: it allows you to test ALL of the various footpeg and handlebar options. nojoke
Yup Bob, like I said they do not go back far enough. The holes for alignment do not run back far enough. And special linkage would be required.:banghead:
 
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