Project bike with no keys...

[chupepe]

Hi everyone.

Joe here, from Las Vegas, NV... just bought a project bike for my kids Bday, last week, we went to get it about 2 hours away from here in AZ, had to trailer her back here, since she's mostly in parts...

Brief history, the guy I bought it from had her about 2 years in pieces on his garage cause he was going through some marriage issues, since he's divorced by now, he sold the bike and my kid is the "lucky new owner"...

As you can see in the pics (if I manage to upload them OK), she's mostly complete, apparently the original owner didn't have any clue on how to ride, cause he had used her for 27 hours & 510mi, when we went off the road and got scared enough to just get rid of the bike... after a 2 year vacation on someone else garage, now she's in my hands, I've already ordered all plastics missing, etc...

But the kid lost the 1 key I got to the bike, so... I did buy a new ignition switch with 2 brand new keys, and I also ordered a red master key... tried "pairing" the keys to the DESS module, and even got to the part in which I was asked for the "NEXT KEY", but I somehow messed it up, and can't do a thing cause no matter what I try I always get a "BAD KEY" message on the screen on the cluster...

I've been reading quite a lot and I think I have to buy a new DESS module, right?, so... is there any expert on the matter that can let me know what's the correct part number?

so far I've found:
219800070, AFAIK it should work with any 2008-2013 spyder?, I can seem to find it available anywhere...

or

710001195, listed as compatible with 2012-2013 spyder, will this work?, it's readily available in lots of places...
[h=3][/h]Thanks in advance for all your help, and please let me know if posting the VIN number would help somehow, if so I'll post it tomorrow, cause it's 1am and I don't want to post it, unless it is really needed...

 

[Chupaca]

Lets see.....

Keys are available most anywhere for the early spyders. The fact you can clone the the chip makes it easy to make a spare but you have to have a working key to do that. The new ignition switch needs to be matched to the dess and you may now need to go to a dealer and have them hook up to buds system to do this or they would better know the steps you need to take. :dontknow:

 

[billybovine]

You are correct in that you need a new DESS module. Your existing DESS will only go into programing mode with a previously programed key and you don't have that.

219800070 is not available and Cheap Cycle Parts does not list a replacement. I would call a dealer and see if they can find the correct replacement part number.

710001195 is only listed for 2010 to 2013 RT models. That's according to Cheap Cycle Parts. Not sure what the difference is. Maybe because of the different gauge cluster to interface with. :dontknow:

Also if you can get a used DESS module, a key that goes with it and you already have the master key. That can work, but way more complicated, but can be done.

 

[billybovine]

Keys are available most anywhere for the early spyders. The fact you can clone the the chip makes it easy to make a spare but you have to have a working key to do that. The new ignition switch needs to be matched to the dess and you may now need to go to a dealer and have them hook up to buds system to do this or they would better know the steps you need to take. :dontknow:

The DESS does not have to matched to the new ignition switch or hooked to BUDS according to the service manual.

 

[chupepe]

thanks for the quick replies...

While doing some part searching I realized that the 219800070 part number is listed as "Ignition Switch & DESS Module Kit", and part number 710001195 is just listed as: DESS Module, maybe I'll get lucky and they are in fact the same but one has a "bundled" part number, a dealer just confirmed it's the correct part number for my bike's VIN.

Just wanted to make the info available here for future reference for anyone with the same type of requirements.

Thanks to everyone, have a great day.

P.S. I'll keep you guys posted on the project status...

 

[billybovine]

Do please let us know how it works out. Since you are getting a new DESS. It looks like you did not need the master key. First programming no master key needed.

 

[Bob Denman]

This has got to be the coolest jigsaw puzzle ever! :clap: :bowdown:
Please let us know how things progress, and the best of luck to you! :thumbup:

 

[chupepe]

Quick Update...

Hey everyone.

Finally had some time to play with the bike, and I can gladly report that the new DESS module was installed and worked out of the box. As soon as I opened the ignition switch, it booted and about 3 secs later, it displayed the "NEXT KEY" message, so I removed that key, inserted the other one and again after booting and a 5 secs hiatus (which felts like 5 mins... under water...) she finally displayed the long awaited "SUCCESS" message.

Thank you all, and please let me know if I should post new questions as a new thread or continue with this one...

 

[Bob Denman]

:clap::congrats: on clearing the first major hurdle! :firstplace:
You might just as well keep this thread running: no need for a new one! :thumbup:

And we'll be watching!

 

[Bfromla]

This has got to be the coolest jigsaw puzzle ever! :clap: :bowdown:
Please let us know how things progress, and the best of luck to you! :thumbup:

That & project with Dad always leaves fond memories:firstplace::cheers:hyea: Did with mine while I had him anyway:bowdown: sad to say we lost him before I got my spyder but after he got to see most my recoveries from my injurypps:




(Srz got lil personal there, hard not to when it comes to DAD)

 

[Ron2andia]

Keep going with this one. Would love to see the outcome.:2thumbs:

 

[hungryeye]

Can dealers disable DESS? This seems to be the biggest problem maker with this bike, I personally have no use for it, maybe others do but the risk just isn't worth it. A$$holes steal bikes for parts sales, if they want to steel it all you need is 2 6' pipes and 4 strong men to lift and toss in van...Gone in 15 seconds.

 

[Tazzel]

I hope you checked on the title. No keys often means stolen. I am not sure why a Spyder was torn apart like that unless they were parting it out. Another red flag.

 

[Bob Denman]

Can dealers disable DESS? This seems to be the biggest problem maker with this bike, I personally have no use for it, maybe others do but the risk just isn't worth it. A$$holes steal bikes for parts sales, if they want to steel it all you need is 2 6' pipes and 4 strong men to lift and toss in van...Gone in 15 seconds.

Not all dealers can disable DESS.
And they probably wouldn't do it, even if they could! nojoke
If you think that you can move my Spyder with 4 strong men, and 2 6' pipes: I want to see it done! :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[hungryeye]

3 pipes and 6 mediocre men?

 

[Peter Aawen]

I hope you checked on the title. No keys often means stolen. I am not sure why a Spyder was torn apart like that unless they were parting it out. Another red flag.

According to the earlier post & attachments, the original seller sold it WITH the Title & a reasonable explanation as to why the (top of) the key wasn't available (but the part stuck in the ign was!) & why/how it was stripped down like it was with replacement parts available; so all up, it sorta sounds waaaaayyyyy less likely that it's going to be stolen - always worth checking tho. :thumbup:

 

[Bob Denman]

3 pipes and 6 mediocre men?

You'd stand a better chance...

But since my Colt .45 ACP holds 7 rounds, and my S&W .45 ACP holds 8: things still aren't looking all that great for your team.

 

[oldgoat]

You'd stand a better chance...

But since my Colt .45 ACP holds 7 rounds, and my S&W .45 ACP holds 8: things still aren't looking all that great for your team.

Yes, but you have to sleep.

 

[hungryeye]

You'd stand a better chance...

But since my Colt .45 ACP holds 7 rounds, and my S&W .45 ACP holds 8: things still aren't looking all that great for your team.

Then its true, the DESS is useless....But I prefer a Glock 19 9mm with the 33 rd mag, one of them 33 rounds got to bring em down.

 

[Bob Denman]

Yes, but you have to sleep.

...One eye open... :2thumbs: