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Problems with Sen 10S & SM10 dongle





I bought the radio cable from CycleDave (which is a great product) to connect my Spyder radio to my Sena 10s's on our helmets, via the SM10 bluetooth dongle mounted in the trunk. If I am by myself, I turn on my 10s, and it says "hello", then says "phone connected". If I go to my trunk and turn on the SM10, it will say audio connected", I can now hear the audio from my bike radio. I can also use the FM radio on the headset, when I don't have the SM10 turned on. Everything great, even hear the GPS over the bluetooth.


Yesterday my wife was riding with me for the first time since I installed the cord and SM10. When we got on the bike, my bluetooth said "hello, phone connected, then I tapped the dial for
turning the intercom on, and everything fine. I go turn on the SM10, and it blinks a few times, but cannot get it to let us hear the bike radio at all through the bluetooth. While we are connected
with the intercom, can't get the FM radio on the headset to work either.
When we ended our ride, she turned her bluetooth headset off, and took off her helmet. I left mine on, and went to the trunk and turned on the SM10, and it said "audio connected", and with it off, I can
get the FM radio on my bluetooth to operate just as it always does when I am alone. Seems like as long as the intercoms are connected, that is the only thing that will work. Strange!
Dave said he has never heard of this happening. Hope someone has some positive feedback on this. We have two big trips coming up, and want everything working. Any help would be greatly appreciated.




 
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I have a similar setup. Occasionally,I have to turn the SM10 of and then back on again to get it to work with both headsets.

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I may have misunderstood what you wrote, but the intercom will over ride the audio (radio, ipod) when you have it selected. My wife and I have the 10S and SM10, and can listen to the intercom, or radio from the 10S, the audio from the Spyder's radio or the Garmain GPS, and our iPhone, When we talk to each other over the intercom, the intercom over rides any of the music, until we deselect the intrercom. When the GPS gives directions, it over rides everything. as does the phone (maiking/receiving a call)

David
 
David,
Correct what you said. When I bought the headset, I assumed like other headsets that I have had on other bikes, that you can be listening to the radio, and you start talking to your wife and the intercom cancels out the music until you are done talking, then the music returns.
I am very dissappointed now at these headsets, because I just talked to Sena support and they told me that the intercom overrides the music, BUT you have to turn off the intercom to be able to hear music. My problem is, I don't want to have to reach up and hit the jog dial every time I want to say a couple of words, and does that mean that when my wife wants to talk , she has to tap me on the shoulder, so I can turn the intercom back on?
 
Sounds to me like to 10s is working exactly the way it is supposed to. Not sure why you find it inconvenient to tap the jog wheel to access the intercom. If you leave it on all the time - and I am not sure why you would want to - you will not hear the radio, iPhone, MP3 Player, or iPod at all. My wife uses the intercom on our SMH10 way more than I do, and when she is done, she turns it off. For the few times that I use it, I don't find it a problem to hit the jog wheel, say what I have to say, then tap it again to get back to the music. Also, the SM10 has to be paired with the headsets (along with whatever else you pair it with) for everything to work properly. Good luck.
 
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I think that you haven't finished programming it right. You need to implement the mulit pairing or whatever it's called. When you first turn on your helmets, yours will connect to your phone and then if the SM10 is on, mine says Media on/connected. Now if your phone happens to connect with both phone and media, the SM10 won't media connect. When your wife turns on her helmet, if she doesn't have her own phone paired and you have the mulit thing implemented, hers will say Media connected and you both will hear the "radio".

When either one of you need the intercom either of you would hit the jog knob, as stated it over rides the music. When you are done, it the knob and its back to music on both your helmets. Of course if you ride with the intercom on all of the time, = no music, in that case just turn up your speakers and listen that way.

IMO the only support that you get from Dave is "Call Sena they made it"
 
Ok, got my wife's headset paired with SM10, and it is working, but when I shut one down the other one no longer is connected to audio, so may have to turn off my headset and back on again to pair with sm10, since her headset
was the one that was first turned on in the beginning of this test.
So, I do see that you can have the sm10 playing , and hit jog dial for intercom, and then hit again when done talking, so it not that big of a deal. I was just thinking that if we started out on a trip with the intercoms on so we could talk, then I would have to stop, get off, and open the trunk just to turn on and connect with the sm10.
I'm just used to being able to listen to the radio, and when I want to say something to passenger, music is overriden, then when done talking music resumes, without doing anything.
We are good.
Just a difference of what I am used to in previous years.
Thanks
 
Ok, got my wife's headset paired with SM10, and it is working, but when I shut one down the other one no longer is connected to audio, so may have to turn off my headset and back on again to pair with sm10, since her headset
was the one that was first turned on in the beginning of this test.
So, I do see that you can have the sm10 playing , and hit jog dial for intercom, and then hit again when done talking, so it not that big of a deal. I was just thinking that if we started out on a trip with the intercoms on so we could talk, then I would have to stop, get off, and open the trunk just to turn on and connect with the sm10.
I'm just used to being able to listen to the radio, and when I want to say something to passenger, music is overriden, then when done talking music resumes, without doing anything.
We are good.
Just a difference of what I am used to in previous years.
Thanks


I don't think that you have it programmed right yet. I have had to reprogram mine a few times. Use search, there are a couple of threads/post with instructions on how to do it.
 
I did respond to you on this.

When two helmets have a comms session (you pressed the dials) then it shuts off any music. A GPS will interrupt the comms session as a GPS has priority.

Now I have 20s headsets and it has a "new" feature called Audio Multitasking. My old SMH5's did not have this feature.
That is you can have a comms session going and hear the music in the background. You can even adjust how loud that background music is over your comms session.

I do not know if the 10S headset has this feature but if not, then it is working correctly. If it does, you need to turn that on!
The easiest way is with the Sena phone APP. The 20S is supported by the Sena APP I do not know if the 10S is. If the 10S is not supported by the 10S, but it does have audio multitasking feature, then you will have to turn it on using the button and dial per the manual.

Bob
 
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This is what my 20S manual says in section 20.2

20.2 Enabling/Disabling Audio Multitasking

Audio Multitasking allows you to have an intercom conversation while simultaneously listening to music, FM radio, or GPS instructions. The overlaid audio is played in the background with reduced volume whenever there is an intercom conversation and will return to normal volume once the conversation is finished. If this feature is disabled, any incoming or outgoing intercom will interrupt your audio channel.


Bob
 
OK I just went to SENA web site to look up the 10S.

The Sena smart phone APP is supported. Trust me this is the EASIEST way to set things on your headsets!

AND I downloaded the 10S user manual. YOU DO have the Audio Multitasking feature!
It's in the same section of the manual as my 20S unit. 20.2

As I told you several times, turn that on and you will get what you want.

Bob
 
OK I just went to SENA web site to look up the 10S.

The Sena smart phone APP is supported. Trust me this is the EASIEST way to set things on your headsets!

AND I downloaded the 10S user manual. YOU DO have the Audio Multitasking feature!
It's in the same section of the manual as my 20S unit. 20.2

As I told you several times, turn that on and you will get what you want.

Bob

Bob,
I have already talked to Sena, and they told me that the 10S does not have that feature. Here are the settings that are available with the phone app. in the attatched picture. I do not find anything in the manual that refers to "Audio Multitasking", and don't see a section 20.2 Mine ends with section 17.3 "factory reset". It's fine, I appreciate you helping. I'm good.

This is the only thing close to this subject that would work:
14.4 Enabling/Disabling Voice Activated Intercom Voice Prompt “VOX intercom” Factory Default Disable Enable Tap the Phone Button Disable Tap the Jog Dial If this feature is enabled, you can initiate an intercom conversation with the last connected intercom friend by voice. When you want to start intercom, say a word such as “Hello” loudly or blow air into the microphone. If you start an intercom conversation by voice, the intercom terminates automatically when you and your intercom friend remain silent for 20 seconds. However, if you manually start an intercom conversation by tapping the Phone Button, you have to terminate the intercom conversation manually. However, if you start intercom by voice and end it manually by tapping the Jog Dial, you will not be able to start intercom by voice temporarily. In this case, you have to tap the Jog Dial to restart the intercom. This is to prevent repeated unintentional intercom connections by strong wind noise. After rebooting the 10S, you can start intercom by voice again
 

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The problem with VOX is that with a 1/2 or 3/4 helmet, the wind noice turns it on.

I don't think it's called Audio Multitasking, I have the SH10 and I had Mulit something and it works so that both of us can listen to the same music. I need to check out the app.
 
The problem with VOX is that with a 1/2 or 3/4 helmet, the wind noice turns it on.

I don't think it's called Audio Multitasking, I have the SH10 and I had Mulit something and it works so that both of us can listen to the same music. I need to check out the app.

I don't see anything anywhere that even has the word multi.... in it. The app don't either. I was playing with the helmets in the garage last night, and did get the music to come out of both headsets, but when I turned her
bluetooth off, the music stopped in mine also, but maybe it had something to do with turning her headset on first and connecting to the audio with hers first, and then turning mine on. Either way, I am good, and will figure it all out in time.
We didn't seem to have wind problems the other day, BUT we did have the intercoms on the whole ride, gabbing most of the time back and forth. I will have to try the vox intercom. That may be my solution, although I have it on to answer the phone by voice and that didn't work, unless I didn't speak loud enough like the manual states.
 
Ok, I found the instructions, it's on/in the SM10 instructions that you must do the Multi Point Pairing.

Power on SM10
Hold the Jog Dial button until you hear intercom Pairing then release and within 2 seconds press the small phone button on the back. You will hear her say Multipoint pairing.
 
OK I just went to SENA web site to look up the 10S.

The Sena smart phone APP is supported. Trust me this is the EASIEST way to set things on your headsets!

AND I downloaded the 10S user manual. YOU DO have the Audio Multitasking feature!
It's in the same section of the manual as my 20S unit. 20.2

As I told you several times, turn that on and you will get what you want.

Bob

Bob, Steve, & Bill,

Bob, not sure where the confusion lies here, but there IS no section 20.2 in the 10S manual - it only goes up to section 17. (You can get the manual here.) There is also no "Audio Multitasking" feature associated with the 10S jog dial as you described in section 20.2 of the 20S manual. The Sena customer service rep was correct in telling Steve that this feature did not apply to the 10S

HOWEVER, with the 10S you can share music from any music source during an intercom conversation. The method for doing that is in section 7.3 on page 25 of the manual shown below. (Click on picture to enlarge) Obviously, you can also share music with the intercom turned off.

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Also, judging from the problems that Steve has described, I agree with Bill Pitzer that there is something wrong with the pairings in Steve's setup. I would delete all pairings and and start over with the instructions in the full manual (see link above), or call back Sena customer service for help. They can be very helpful. I also agree with Bill that VOX activation should be turned off, and that the button should be used to initiate and terminate intercom conversations for the reason Bill stated. This can even happen with a full face helmet, if wind gets in from the bottom, etc.

Below, I have attached some notes that I made while pairing my 10S to various devices. Some of the information there may be of help. Unfortunately, I ride solo, so I cannot offer a lot of practical help in the area of music sharing with a passenger, other than to share page 25 of the user manual, as I did above.

Also Steve, two additional points... First, either party can initiate or terminate any intercom conversation from there own headset - your wife does not have to tap you on the shoulder to get your attention. Secondly, even if everything is paired correctly, it often works better if your turn your SM10 dongle on BEFORE you turn on your headsets, and let the headsets find it, rather than the other way around.
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Finally, Bill, referring to your message directly above, Multipoint Pairing is not the same thing as the "Audio Multi-tasking" that Bob was talking about on the 20S. Multipoint pairing is a function available only on the older "SMH" series of Sena headsets. It was replaced on the new "S" series by a new feature called "Selective Pairing". Selective Pairing is used to pair a device, capable of both music (A2DP) and phone (HFP) Bluetooth protocols (like a smartphone) using only one protocol and not the other. This feature offers more flexibility than the older Multi-point pairing used on older headsets. One of the new features Selective Pairing facilitates in the "S" series, is the new "Audio Override" feature described in the manual, that now allows you to pair two music sources simultaneously and allow one to override the other, depending on the order in which you pair them. I used this feature to be able to listen to music from my iPod (via the SM10 BT dongle) or music from my phone (Pandora) without having to get off the bike to turn off the SM10.

Hmm, having said this, Steve, Selective Pairing may solve your problem. This may be a long shot, but do your wife and you BOTH have phones paired to the headsets? I wonder if you are trying to pair three A2DP devices to the headsets at the same time, which you cannot do (two phones plus the SM10) If that's what you are doing, Id suggest you try pairing your wife's phone in HFP protocol only ...and turn off the A2DP protocol on your phone (under the phone's BT settings) when listening to music from the SM10. It sounds to me like your wife's phone is overriding the SM10 and, if so, doing that should solve the problem.
 

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I went to the app store and got the app/installed. It says connect to phone, I do and it doesn't recognize the helmet connected. I try both helmets, nothing.

I see that there might be a newer firmware, so I go to Sena.com and download the new Device Manager 3.1, then go to install it and it says there is a newer version of the DM, 3.2 so I tell it to install that version. It goes thru that install uninstalling the 3.1 version and installing the new version.

Turned out that it didn't uninstall 3.1, but that doesn't really matter. In neither version does it see the unit when connected to the USB port. I tried both helmets and my SM10, can see any of them.

So I guess, I have to waste my time calling tomorrow, because they don't bother to answer emails learned from a previous problem. I'll keep you posted. Did anyone else get the app to work with a H10?
 
Bill, the mobile app only works with the new "S" series headsets. It will not work with the SMH10.

Well, that would explain that:banghead::banghead:

That sucks!! I guess you can't use the S from the front of the model:dontknow:
 
Bob, Steve, & Bill,

Bob, not sure where the confusion lies here, but there IS no section 20.2 in the 10S manual - it only goes up to section 17. (You can get the manual here.) There is also no "Audio Multitasking" feature associated with the 10S jog dial as you described in section 20.2 of the 20S manual. The Sena customer service rep was correct in telling Steve that this feature did not apply to the 10S

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Dang not sure what happened when I downloaded the manual yesterday. Odd... I downloaded it again and yep... not there :(
I guess I clicked the wrong link.

Sorry about that!

Well Steve, looks like you are stuck. If you want the music playing with a comms channel open you need the 20S.

Bob
 
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