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gkamer
Sadly passed away, December '23.
They figure you're going to replace the tires sooner or later, even if your not in California at the time. They just want to make sure they don't miss out on anything.
gkamer
Sadly passed away, December '23.
That allows the dealer to add an additional two grand to their profit line.
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
I have put this advice in a few prior posts.
Keep in mind the special K issues.
Buying a Spyder/Ryker is just like buying a car.
What you need to look at is the "out the door" price. Everything else is flexible. You may be able to dicker on one thing but not another...always keep in mind...what is that doing to my OTD price?
There is NO fixed MSRP and NO fixed trade in price.
Those are the first places to begin.
Accessories: All accessories are over priced for a reason. Some dealers try to get full price AND then charge you extra to install them. I get a discount on the accessories (especially if I buy a lot of them), l always get a discount on the install.
Extended BEST Warranty: It can be purchased a lot cheaper elsewhere. $700 is a good ballpark. You do NOT have to buy the warranty from the selling dealer. You have until the original warranty is about to expire.
The extended warranties are always overpriced. The salesman gets a commission for selling it to you. Some companies are more greedy than others.
Financing: Shop around. Get the dealers rate...go elsewhere to see if you can "beat" the rate. Have that "in the bag" so you can pull it out if you have to. Don't tell dealer that you will finance elsewhere. That is a bargaining chip on your pile. Do get pre-approved elsewhere...just in case.
Beware of "dealer reserve." Dealer quotes you the financing rate as X. He gets a special deal from the bank as Y. The difference between X & Y...the dealer gets a check from the bank. You pay for it on the financing contract.
Set up and administration fees: I call a large BS on this. All these do is add an extra profit on the contract (for the dealer). I don't pay them...on cars or on the five spyders I have purchased.
Tax, license, registration: A reasonable fee like $25 to $40 should suffice. They enter the information and push the button on the computer. Done. Not worth $200 like some charge.
Just like car buying...Caveat Emptor. Go in prepared and have some fun with it. Both my car dealer and my spyder dealer cringe when they see I'M BACK. :roflblack:
You wont get the same deals on Ryker as Spyder...since Ryker is low end. The above still applies with a loaded Ryker and extras...like warranty.
With $18K being charged for an $11K machine...I guarantee there is a LOT for the dealer to play with here. He needs YOU more than you need THEM.
Keep in mind the special K issues.
Buying a Spyder/Ryker is just like buying a car.
What you need to look at is the "out the door" price. Everything else is flexible. You may be able to dicker on one thing but not another...always keep in mind...what is that doing to my OTD price?
There is NO fixed MSRP and NO fixed trade in price.
Those are the first places to begin.
Accessories: All accessories are over priced for a reason. Some dealers try to get full price AND then charge you extra to install them. I get a discount on the accessories (especially if I buy a lot of them), l always get a discount on the install.
Extended BEST Warranty: It can be purchased a lot cheaper elsewhere. $700 is a good ballpark. You do NOT have to buy the warranty from the selling dealer. You have until the original warranty is about to expire.
The extended warranties are always overpriced. The salesman gets a commission for selling it to you. Some companies are more greedy than others.
Financing: Shop around. Get the dealers rate...go elsewhere to see if you can "beat" the rate. Have that "in the bag" so you can pull it out if you have to. Don't tell dealer that you will finance elsewhere. That is a bargaining chip on your pile. Do get pre-approved elsewhere...just in case.
Beware of "dealer reserve." Dealer quotes you the financing rate as X. He gets a special deal from the bank as Y. The difference between X & Y...the dealer gets a check from the bank. You pay for it on the financing contract.
Set up and administration fees: I call a large BS on this. All these do is add an extra profit on the contract (for the dealer). I don't pay them...on cars or on the five spyders I have purchased.
Tax, license, registration: A reasonable fee like $25 to $40 should suffice. They enter the information and push the button on the computer. Done. Not worth $200 like some charge.
Just like car buying...Caveat Emptor. Go in prepared and have some fun with it. Both my car dealer and my spyder dealer cringe when they see I'M BACK. :roflblack:
You wont get the same deals on Ryker as Spyder...since Ryker is low end. The above still applies with a loaded Ryker and extras...like warranty.
With $18K being charged for an $11K machine...I guarantee there is a LOT for the dealer to play with here. He needs YOU more than you need THEM.
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JayBros
Well-known member
While I don't mean to defend BRP because they certainly hose us for accessories regardless of what model Spyder we purchase, and, of course, the B.E.S.T. extended warranty should be shopped at as many dealerships as possible to get the best price, IMO Ryker shoppers should not go shopping expecting the types of deals some of us got when we purchased our much more expensive models. It just isn't going to happen. Why do you think American auto manufacturers are discontinuing low-to-no-profit sedans? No one wants them. A BRP dealership has to make some profit on a Ryker or it won't sell them. California, that's a world of it's own. I was looking for the fee a buyer would pay for the air he breathed when in the dealership buying the Spyder.
PrairieSpyder
New member
This is a good strategy, but I wouldn't tell them you will pay cash. They might go lower on the purchase, assuming they'll make $ on the financing. After a price is agreed to, then tell them it's cash.
As an alternative, you could try what I know has worked for a friend who shopped for a certain kind of car. He found 2-3 dealers that had the car with the options he wanted. He sent each of them an email to all of them, letting them know he was contacting multiple dealers. He asked them to respond to him with their best out-the-door price. He got good offers from all of them and then played them off each other. Then all he had to do was show up with a check.
I did this on a car I purchased, got a great deal because I knew they were going to make extra on the financing, made sure there was no pre-payoff fees, and then paid off the load on the first payment date. Dealer was happy they made money off the loan, and I saved money on the deal.
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
You can look at the $499 set up fee as a wash if they are discounting accessories and installing for free. The free shipping is worth between $500 and $1000.
So, where did that move your OTD price from $18K? As I mentioned earlier...some things budge and some things don't. All salesman will have some BS...but IMotorsports does sell a lot of units. Even Lamont bought his rykers there.
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Seanyradar:
I used to live in San Jacinto, so I know Temecula Motorsports is a little further away from you. When I bought my F3T they were easy to deal with when I told them I will only pay "X" amount out the door for the Spyder. You just have to be diligent on your price, and be ready to walk out if needed. I agree with others on the suggestion of getting the accessories later on. Most are not hard to install, and then not only do you get the fun of installing, but you learn so much about the machine doing it yourself. Also check out Bert's Mega Mall for the BEST warranty. They seem to have the lowest prices on BEST, and also is a site sponsor.
If it was me, this is what my offer would be assuming you want the accessories, and have them install it.
Rally 900 MSRP: 10,449.05 (This is already a high price they use for negotiation room)
Accessories: 2,056.37 (again already over priced)
CA Sales Tax: 1,129.20 (can't get around this)
CA Tire Disposal Fee: 5.25 (Again, no way out)
CA Doc Fee: 00.00 (tell them you will go to the DMV, and do it yourself. They will say they have to register it before you can drive it off the lot. Tell them you can leave the Ryker there until you go to the DMV, or lower the MSRP price)
License & Reg: 242.00 (again, can't get out of this)
Labor to Install: 1,000.00
Grand Total: 14881.87
Good luck on your dealings
In California, the DOC Fee is a number set by the state and in required. The state set it because so many vehicle dealers were gouging the buyers with ridiculous DOC fees.
Around $15 K out the door is a reasonable price for the Ryker that the OP wants, a good deal is where BOTH the buyer and seller is happy. A dealer has to make a profit to stay in business. The buyer does not deserve to be gouged. Establishing a good relationship with your dealer is worth its weight in Gold.
Again, this is based on many years in the business at a quality dealership.
Around $15 K out the door is a reasonable price for the Ryker that the OP wants, a good deal is where BOTH the buyer and seller is happy. A dealer has to make a profit to stay in business. The buyer does not deserve to be gouged. Establishing a good relationship with your dealer is worth its weight in Gold.
Again, this is based on many years in the business at a quality dealership.
Tslepebull
Active member
Several other Ryker Rally buyers have posted in this thread.https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...ss-than-MSRP-w-no-setup-or-freight-fees/page2
Not knowing what your local tax structure is, direct comparison is difficult. However I itemized prices for bike and accessories with tax and registration in my post # 31. I did not do extended warranty because I purchased prior to January 31,2019 and got a free year of BEST included. I may purchase additional BEST coverage later based on the experience of others on this forum
Very good advice. Dealers often make a large portion of their profit from financing.
This is exactly what I did last spring when I bought my F3T. A total of (5) dealerships in WA, ID, & OR. had the F3T that I wanted. I had to go 400mi to pick it up, but I saved thousands. I have also done this with cars. When I bought the Golf TDI, it turned out the last (2) dealerships that were in the bidding war for my business were actually trying to sell me the same car as it was still sitting on the customs intake lot - yet to be delivered to a dealer.
Regards,
Don
Shop around for a deal, if you can find one you like, go for it.
Another way, if you are patient and don’t want the bike immediately, you could wait a while for the initial demand for Rykers to be satisfied. When supply at starts to catch up with demand dealers may be more willing to deal. Right now demand seems to be pretty good, so deals can be harder to find. It is that way for many new products.
Another way, if you are patient and don’t want the bike immediately, you could wait a while for the initial demand for Rykers to be satisfied. When supply at starts to catch up with demand dealers may be more willing to deal. Right now demand seems to be pretty good, so deals can be harder to find. It is that way for many new products.
