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Pickups trucks,

I own a Tundra CrewMax, its a 4x4. Just traded my '14 for a '17. I've owned both Tacoma's and Tundra's over the last 25 yrs. My Tundra gets 15 mpg running around town. If I do longer trips on the interstate the mileage runs about 18 mpg. When I tow our 30 ft camper mileage is about 9 mpg. Towing sleds its about 12 mpg. These are real world numbers during both summer and winter driving conditions. They pretty match what's on the window sticker of the truck.

I have friends with Ford's and Chevy. Their mileage doesn't stack up any better than mine (especially when towing). I think the 20 mpg Ford and Chevy are claiming is a total fraud in the real world. It may be that in the perfect testing world? My uncle has a diesel RAM 1500. He gets 29 mpg, real world driving. If I were looking for a truck solely based on mileage numbers that's what I would buy.

The Tundra has PLENTY of room and PLENTY of power. It's a nice truck. The best part is....you just drive the thing. The only time I'm at the shop is for oil changes. The trucks are bullet proof. None of my Ford and Chevy friends can say that.

I have another friend that own a repair shop. He is a die hard Ford man. He just did his year end totals. What vehicle did his shop spend the most money on for parts (to fix customer vehicles)? The Ford F-150.
 
Rob Rodriguez said:
The only time I'm at the shop is for oil changes. The trucks are bullet proof. None of my Ford and Chevy friends can say that.

"I can."

I have another friend that own a repair shop. He is a die hard Ford man. He just did his year end totals. What vehicle did his shop spend the most money on for parts (to fix customer vehicles)? The Ford F-150.
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"Is that possible due to the number of F 150's out there in comparison to the rest ? Buy American or as close as you can."
 
:shocked: Brand myopia is a great way to escalate a discussion into an argument. :banghead:


Besides; doesn't Toyota build their Tundras in America?
 
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Just a comment and a question, no argument (or plans of).
Built here but not an American company, right ? Would guess that a lot of the profits and benefits would go to another country ?
 
Saluda said:
Wonder what percentage of pick up owners go with bed liners or mats ? Would think that should eliminate some fear towards the aluminum body although most people that own them don't haul much or really work them.
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Standard feature with Nissan Titan from the factory.

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"Buy American or as close as you can."

In this day and age with part outsourcing, labor and production plants all over the world is there really such a thing as "buy American"? I mean, even "American" companies don't build and source parts, product here 100% anymore. Apple is an American company, you think their products aren't built in China? Ford is an American company, you think they don't assemble vehicles in Mexico? Toyota is a Japanese company, you think they don't assemble vehicles in the USA? BRP is a Canadian company, they assemble ATV's and Side X Sides at their plant in Mexico. All companies that want to compete source parts and labor globally.

"Buy American" plays well in politics but in reality its a global economy and production world.
 
Saluda said:
Just a comment and a question, no argument (or plans of).
Built here but not an American company, right ? Would guess that a lot of the profits and benefits would go to another country ?
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That's very true.
But I bet that they're hiring the majority of the workforce from here. :thumbup:
 

"Just a comment and a question, no argument (or plans of).
Built here but not an American company, right ? Would guess that a lot of the profits and benefits would go to another country ?"

I'm not sure that is true? Apple is an American company, they source and build most of their products outside the USA. They skip out on paying hundreds of millions of dollars in USA corporate taxes by having an office in Ireland.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone either. I just think its short sighted of people to think/believe that just because a company was founded (is in the USA) they are benefiting the USA economy more than a foreign company. It would be great to see some hard facts on this topic actually.
 
That's why I said or as close as you can.

Most likely true on the work force comment, that's a benefit.
 
I've always been a fan of Jeeps...
Whenever I bought one; I knew that it was built here, and used American workers to put it together. :thumbup:
(Okay: it didn't always seem as if that was a good thing... :shocked:)
Now; they even import some of their new models from Italy, and are in fact owned by Fiat?
Does this help our economy? :dontknow:
Other than keeping some Jeep Salesman and Service techs in Business: I kind of doubt it. :banghead:

It's the new World economy at work! :gaah:

Okay... I'm off my soapbox now!
 
This thread is an interesting read. I have no axes to grind or no specific favorites. These days, the choices are immense, trucks are no longer utility vehicles, and $50K will almost buy you a nice one. :yikes::yikes:

I have owned one pickup only. I bought a Dodge Ram basic 2 x 4 with six cylinder engine and a 4 speed manual back in 1978. I bought when they were trying to save Chrysler Corporation from demise due to their poor quality. I had no problems with this over two years and 14,000 miles. I did hit a deer head on and was able to undent the front by taking off the grill and pounding it out. Fortunately, no other damage occurred.

My 78 had a bench seat, no carpeting, and it did have an AM radio. That puppy cost me $6,500 and at that time, the most expensive vehicle that I had purchased. Everyone I knew, wanted me to haul stuff for them, and all the dents that ended up in the box were from those particular sorties. Since, I have had no desire to own another.

Now, just trying to climb into one of the new behemoths would be more effort than I can bear with my bad hip. :yes:
 
Bob Denman said:
I've always been a fan of Jeeps...
Whenever I bought one; I knew that it was built here, and used American workers to put it together. :thumbup:
(Okay: it didn't always seem as if that was a good thing... :shocked:)
Now; they even import some of their new models from Italy, and are in fact owned by Fiat?
Does this help our economy? :dontknow:
Other than keeping some Jeep Salesman and Service techs in Business: I kind of doubt it. :banghead:

It's the new World economy at work! :gaah:

Okay... I'm off my soapbox now!
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Not many Jeeps are built in Toledo anymore. There is a newer facility here that pumps out some of the old favorites like the Wrangler. I understand the new ones with the X in the tail light are built in Mexico and others are built in facilities around the country. After the sale to Chrysler it seams they would stick the Jeep name on anything that would sell, without any of the Jeep qualities. Not a lot of research in the above, just my opinion. Just remembered, Dad got fired from there 98 years ago this month. :shocked: At that time it was the Overland plant.
 
wow

Yesterday I got a chance to drive the tundra and talk to several people that own them, very solid truck. I got the chance to drive a rock warrior model. very impressive. I also got to drive a 16 GMC great ride. Guys I am more confused then when I first started looking, there is simply no clear winner. I know what I want in a truck and they all offer great utility . I look at the titan this week, just to add more stress to my plate...Yes I am going back on buying American only.
 
We have a local dealer that specializes in low mileage 2 and 3 year old lease vehicles. If you don't need the latest and greatest these are great values. Yes, there are a lot of P/U trucks leased especially high end ones.
 
I have always been a Ford guy, but the truck I liked the best when I was looking this year is the GMC Canyon with the 4 cyl diesel. It runs smooth, has plenty of power and delivers excellent overall mileage. Try the diesel out before buying another gasser. I ended up OT buying, because I wasn't ready.
 
IdahoMtnSpyder said:
Standard feature with Nissan Titan from the factory.

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Just bought a 2016 Titan crew cab with the 5.6 Endurance engine. nothing but a painted box. Was hoping it would come from the factory sprayed like my 2014 frontier was. I put a couple of pieces of carpet in the box for now.
 
test drove

I drove the titan today did not like it compared to the dodge or ford. the gmc was right there .Ill get back to guys in a couple of days sitting down to sort this out. I am not looking for new Frank G where are you located, ill travel for a good deal. The dealers in nj crazy. I looked at a14 with 35k and the dealer wanted 40k and would budge ...so I walked..
 
One of my younger brother's owns a business and has several work trucks. He has mainly used Chevy and Ford and had good and bad in both brands at times. He had a few Dodge trucks and in his opinion they had the the most issues . He's got 1 Toyota Tundra right now and it has proven to be good so far ,except for gas mileage.

I think ALL brands have lemons from time to time no matter who's name is on the hood. It is just hard to tell what to get.
 
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