PIA gas smell...le peuuw

[DrewNJ]

It looks to me like BRP moved it to the rear and it's placed higher up and there is also some kind of check valve on the 14's. Makes you wonder if the canister location on the 13's is not a major contributor to the fires, it's right next to an exhaust pipe and clearly some of them are full of fuel. It also got the "tin foil" treatment during the first recall.

Agreed!

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[SPYD3R]

PIX

I did this to mine, and have had ZERO smell of gas since.....

 

[crazyspyder]

dealer

called my dealer and demanded that they make it a priority on addressing the issue at hand. so, an appointment was set. I insisted on this for the record and my satisfaction that my dealer is doing all they
can do to address the problem. although I have complained in the past it never got documented or recorded .so here we go!opcorn:

 

[3 Wheel Addict]

called my dealer and demanded that they make it a priority on addressing the issue at hand. so, an appointment was set. I insisted on this for the record and my satisfaction that my dealer is doing all they
can do to address the problem. although I have complained in the past it never got documented or recorded .so here we go!opcorn:

You should always make sure that every issue you have no matter how small makes it's way onto a service order. You need a paper trail if anything happens you can refer back to your documentation for proof. Get and keep your service orders and make sure that the servicing dealer clearly states what they "did" or "did not" do to repair your complaint. I have complained twice about sometimes smelling burning plastic but that has never made it onto a work order, so if it's not on paper it did not happen, see where I'm going with this....

 

[OldCowboy]

I did this View attachment 84925 to mine, and have had ZERO smell of gas since.....

Why even bother to make the connection from the 'T' to the canister? It doesn't seem that anything could get into the canister with your setup.

 

[SPYD3R]

Why even bother to make the connection from the 'T' to the canister? It doesn't seem that anything could get into the canister with your setup.

OCBOY....
not sure why the cannister is even part of this unit... must be an EPA requirement... from what i hear, the cannister is suppose to suck-up gas fumes... but what it's reported to be doing is sucking up GAS... which is why people have been smelling the fumes that leak back out... i followed somebody else's directions and did a drawing of what they said... so i'm NOT the authority on this subject... all i know is that it works... i have NO MORE GAS SMELL from my '09 RS... which i had PLENTY of prior to this mod...
NOTE: i have since installed a very small 'gas filter' where you see the 'first' split in the line coming from the tank...
hope this helps...
Dan P
Easley, SC

 

[Marker]

if you try to overfill the gas tank then you will get the smell of raw fuel because fuel has entered the evaporator canister.

 

[Magdave]

This over filling gas tank excuse is getting old too. Another Urban Legend. If that is really the cause ( it isn't) then it should be re designed. Next you will hear well it doesn't over flow unless it sloshes in the tank. If you look at the tank uncovered the filling hole even to the lip is well below the fuel exit on top of the tank. I am tired of reading excuses for a poorly designed EVAP system. I have watched mine after I smell gas and can see fumes..not gas..pouring out the vent hose like a mirage on a hot road. As the line cools it condenses on the line and starts to drip. I have the paper towels to prove it.

 

[DrewNJ]

I couldn't agree more that it's a poorly designed evaporated system. However, it's been a known poorly designed system since 08' with an easy solution that costs nothing.

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[Magdave]

I couldn't agree more that it's a poorly designed evaporated system. However, it's been a known poorly designed system since 08' with an easy solution that costs nothing.

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The problem is ,Drew, moving the canister next to the exhaust on the 13 makes it even worse and obviously caused bigger issues. The EPA laws in 08 were different too updated in 2010. Breaking federal law, whether it works or not , is NOT a solution and ,unless BRP does it, is not anywhere near legal.

 

[DrewNJ]

Have you tried running with the system bypassed and the purge plugged? You really should consider giving it a whirl..... It's a pretty proven mod at this point.

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[Magdave]

Have you tried running with the system bypassed and the purge plugged? You really should consider giving it a whirl..... It's a pretty proven mod at this point.

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I know and when BRP does it or sends out a service bulletin for me I will have it done. It is not an owners job to redesign or bypass an OEM system. That is the point of all of this and Steve has not uttered a word about it. :dontknow: Seriously I hope it catches fire either my wife gets rich or I get a new bike win win solution for me.

 

[DrewNJ]

I really feel for the crap a lot of you have been through and do not disagree that it should be addressed at the factory level. However, The issue is that the manufacturer has to deal with the EPA and their regulations. So it is difficult to make changes that in our eyes, need to be made. We, as the consumer are not bound by the same regulations.

It was a crappy designed system back in 08' and really it hasn't changed for the better since.

Seriously, consider taking a hose pinch clamp and tighten it across the rubber line between the purge valve and canister for one day, one ride. If it doesn't run significantly better all you have to do is remove the clamp. I think you might be surprised that it addresses a lot of your issues.

 

[Magdave]

I really feel for the crap a lot of you have been through and do not disagree that it should be addressed at the factory level. However, The issue is that the manufacturer has to deal with the EPA and their regulations. So it is difficult to make changes that in our eyes, need to be made. We, as the consumer are not bound by the same regulations.

It was a crappy designed system back in 08' and really it hasn't changed for the better since.

Seriously, consider taking a hose pinch clamp and tighten it across the rubber line between the purge valve and canister for one day, one ride. If it doesn't run significantly better all you have to do is remove the clamp. I think you might be surprised that it addresses a lot of your issues.

I hear you Drew. The day after my warranty runs out that bypass will be on my list until that day it is up to BRP to come up with a viable fix. :thumbup:

 

[3 Wheel Addict]

As I stated on another post elsewhere, they (BRP) did fix it...... 2014's! The canister has been moved to another location. And on the new 2014's with the inline motor and the radiators moved all the way to the frunk there should be plenty of room for the canister up in there somewhere but still it went to the rear higher up. Maybe gravity and the liquid fuel is part of the problem, maybe the excessive heat on the tank is it? But I agree we should not have to start hacking off emission components to fix our own bikes, it very well may be a band-aid to the illness but not the cure.

 

[SNOOPY]

Good stuff here.

And I've never overfilled my tank. opcorn:

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[NancysToy]

I hear you Drew. The day after my warranty runs out that bypass will be on my list until that day it is up to BRP to come up with a viable fix. :thumbup:

Messing with the emissions system should not affect your warranty in any way...unless you induce a vacuum leak and then ask the dealer to fix the rough-running engine under warranty. It should not harm the engine to bypass or pinch off the emissions system.

I'm all for anything that honestly improves the environment, but emissions system in general and the Spyder system in particular do nothing but meet some ill-conceived tests that have no meaningful correlation to environmental improvement overall. They may reduce ozone in the big cities, where gridlock is common, however. I doubt the Spyder system can do that since it leaks fumes like a sieve. How it passed the certification tests is beyond me. JMHO

 

[Magdave]

Messing with the emissions system should not affect your warranty in any way...unless you induce a vacuum leak and then ask the dealer to fix the rough-running engine under warranty. It should not harm the engine to bypass or pinch off the emissions system.

I'm all for anything that honestly improves the environment, but emissions system in general and the Spyder system in particular do nothing but meet some ill-conceived tests that have no meaningful correlation to environmental improvement overall. They may reduce ozone in the big cities, where gridlock is common, however. I doubt the Spyder system can do that since it leaks fumes like a sieve. How it passed the certification tests is beyond me. JMHO

Nothing I disagree with except I refuse to do what BRP should be doing. Obviously the 2013 may or may not be OK this summer time will tell. I got a bad feeling the issue is not dead yet. And it is not just the gas fumes you and I both know there are other parts not designed to take the possible excess heat.

 

[jcthorne]

Nothing I disagree with except I refuse to do what BRP should be doing. Obviously the 2013 may or may not be OK this summer time will tell. I got a bad feeling the issue is not dead yet. And it is not just the gas fumes you and I both know there are other parts not designed to take the possible excess heat.

I absolutely agree with you. I just made a personal decision that I would rather ride may Spyder and enjoy doing so than fight with BRP and get no where fast. Since there really is no competition for BRP, my choice was fix what I have or not ride. Turns out the fixes worked so well and were not that hard, ended up buying a second 13 for the wife at great savings from a 14. Not a decision others can or will make. Again, I really do agree with you and hope the user community can push BRP to fix them right. History shows otherwise though.

 

[jaherbst]

if you try to overfill the gas tank then you will get the smell of raw fuel because fuel has entered the evaporator canister.

I get the overwhelming gas smell sometimes in town when the engine gets hot with only 1/2 tank. Boiling gas I am sure is the culprit. Some day this is going to cost someone a life if BRP does not get a fix. Very careful never to close my garage door for several hours tip fumes have subsided.

What is breathing all these gas fumes doing to my health? I am sure it has some effect now and what about the future?

I have a 2013 RTS with all the updates except 2013-9. Still no improvement. Surely with all the engineering at BRP this could be solved. I am sure it is a cost problem to retrofit and BRP is not going to cough up the money to fix this dangerous situation.