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crazyspyder

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:bdh: I know this is an old topic and beating the ole horse...but- I don't care! rode my 2012 RT Se5 today for a short distance 30mi or so , rode it hard ! came home parked it, closed the garage ...AND booom right in the old face the strong smell of gas when I entered the garage. looked and no leaks, gas cap tight. really making me mad...because I have complained to my dealer many times and they don't have a clue as to what to do-since BRP calls the SHOTS!:banghead: any one still have issues like this ? anything done about it thru BRP warranty?
 
Right there with you and completely agree. Lots of threads about it but its still wrong.

Its heat on the fuel tank, boils or vaporizes gas and the fumes escape. There are things that can be done to help but BRP is not doing them. At least not until the EPA ever gets involved.
 
I think there is a reason they (BRP) moved the evap canister on the 14's to back under the seat. Sounds to me like the canister you have may be full of fuel not just vapors. The dealer should be able to check it and replace as needed.
 
I had the smell on the red one when we got it, but have not had the gas smell in a while. Not sure if it is temp/weather related or not as it has been cold here. Will see if the smell returns with summer.
 
Yes this is an old issue but let's get something straight. The EVAP system on cars and Bikes is there to PREVENT gas fumes from escaping into the atmosphere. It is there because the EPA requires it and the fumes are supposed to be recycled into the fuel system via the purge valve vacuum from the canister that is a storage unit for said gas and fumes. Until everyone reports it to NHTSA and I mean everyone nothing will happen. The "They all do that" is simply an unacceptable answer from the dealer or anyone else. They are hydrocarbons period and here is a link to a good EPA read

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/420f03045.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/roadbike.htm#regs

Read page 4 of this about Hot Soak emissions

http://www.meca.org/galleries/files/MECA_Evap_White_Paper_Final.pdf
 
Magdave said:
Yes this is an old issue but let's get something straight. The EVAP system on cars and Bikes is there to PREVENT gas fumes from escaping into the atmosphere. It is there because the EPA requires it and the fumes are supposed to be recycled into the fuel system via the purge valve vacuum from the canister that is a storage unit for said gas and fumes. Until everyone reports it to NHTSA and I mean everyone nothing will happen. The "They all do that" is simply an unacceptable answer from the dealer or anyone else. They are hydrocarbons period and here is a link to a good EPA read

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/420f03045.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/roadbike.htm#regs

Read page 4 of this about Hot Soak emissions

http://www.meca.org/galleries/files/MECA_Evap_White_Paper_Final.pdf
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I agree about NHTSA. I have filed a complaint there regarding this issue. Sadly, there are only 17 so far, and there are a lot more Spyders out there with these problems. File a complaint; there is strength in numbers.

http://www.nhtsa.gov
 
So do we think moving the canister out of the heat zone would improve this or is it mainly that the gas is boiling?
 
I don't think it has anything to do with size.
It has more to do with design and placement. Having the emissions technology of a 1983 Ford escort along with the warmer running temps of a modern day vehicle, and then placing the canister below the level of the fuel tank all contribute to periodic issues.
Removing the system has been the most beneficial mod I've done.

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Gotcha.

We have limited room as it is moving it elsewhere, much less something bigger.

Now people who remove the canister completely, I take it they are just draining fumes/overflow to atmosphere under the bike? That sounds like it could be dangerous too.
 
Failure of the canister has very little to do with fuel vapor. Liquid is what actually ruins the canister.

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SNOOPY said:
Gotcha.

We have limited room as it is moving it elsewhere, much less something bigger.

Now people who remove the canister completely, I take it they are just draining fumes/overflow to atmosphere under the bike? That sounds like it could be dangerous too.
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No more dangerous than the other 95% of motorcycles on the road. The majority don't have canisters.

AND far less dangerous than riding around with a canister full of fuel!...:D

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Someone should try flipping the canister and mounting it upside down or on its side. This would still allow the canister to absorb vapor but not allow liquid to build up

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crazyspyder said:
:bdh: I know this is an old topic and beating the ole horse...but- I don't care! rode my 2012 RT Se5 today for a short distance 30mi or so , rode it hard ! came home parked it, closed the garage ...AND booom right in the old face the strong smell of gas when I entered the garage. looked and no leaks, gas cap tight. really making me mad...because I have complained to my dealer many times and they don't have a clue as to what to do-since BRP calls the SHOTS!:banghead: any one still have issues like this ? anything done about it thru BRP warranty?
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I had this problem with my 2009 RS, but I performed the canisterectomy, and ran the "exhaust" line under the bike. Problem solved.

Then we discovered that the most significant contributor was overfilling the fuel tank, which causes raw gas to fill the canister - removing it & allowing it to "dry out" also seemed to relieve the problem.

When I got my RT, I filled my tank until the nozzle clicked off, and no more - and changed the 2" exhaust line from the cannister to one that ran under the bike. Never had the smell problem again.

That kind of summarizes the two years of threads from 2009 to late 2010.....
 
DrewNJ said:
No more dangerous than the other 95% of motorcycles on the road. The majority don't have canisters.

AND far less dangerous than riding around with a canister full of fuel!...:D

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Good points
 
It looks to me like BRP moved it to the rear and it's placed higher up and there is also some kind of check valve on the 14's. Makes you wonder if the canister location on the 13's is not a major contributor to the fires, it's right next to an exhaust pipe and clearly some of them are full of fuel. It also got the "tin foil" treatment during the first recall.
 
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