The owners manual for my new 2015 F3 states to not carry cargo on the passenger seat as it might activate a pressure sensitive switch which might then effect the braking. I can't find any switch . Is this another "digital air gauge included in the tool kit" (not with an F3 I'm told). Or if there really is a switch somewhere, what weight would acivate it?
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Passenger switch
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petegtsv10
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Good question. We're about to take a long trip and plan to carry a large bag on the F3.
billybovine
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CanAmChris
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Rode from PA to NC last year with my laptop backpack, crammed full of stuff, cargo netted to the back seat. Didn't notice a thing. It would be nice if they stated a weight threshold. I am guessing with all the copper Ethernet cable, the laptop, an extra switch and other stuff, the backpack was about 15lbs -20lbs or so.
Edit: I routinely cargo net a 30pack of beer to the back seat. That is 25.5lbs. Again, no notice of difference in braking. (The only thing I miss from my RS-S was the look on peoples faces when that 30 pack disappeared into the frunk. If I remember correctly it even had what appeared to be a drain plug so you could put ice in. Never tried.)
Edit: I routinely cargo net a 30pack of beer to the back seat. That is 25.5lbs. Again, no notice of difference in braking. (The only thing I miss from my RS-S was the look on peoples faces when that 30 pack disappeared into the frunk. If I remember correctly it even had what appeared to be a drain plug so you could put ice in. Never tried.)
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IGETAROUND
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passenger switch
That switch is to change the the proportioning of the braking force to the rear wheel; no big thing if it is triggered, but would suspect that its somewhere in the 20-40 # range. Bike is going to drive the same and the worst that would happen is you'd engage the ABS in a rapid stopping maneuver. :yikes::yikes:
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That switch is to change the the proportioning of the braking force to the rear wheel; no big thing if it is triggered, but would suspect that its somewhere in the 20-40 # range. Bike is going to drive the same and the worst that would happen is you'd engage the ABS in a rapid stopping maneuver. :yikes::yikes:
hyea:Al in Kazoo
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The switch is a pressure switch located under the passenger portion of the seat.
and if you look carefully the pillion seat sits up a little at the back - try pressing down on it with your hand and you will see. It appears that this movement is what activates the switch. It does not take a lot of pressure to do that.
I recently carried a lot of weight, maybe 40 lbs, on the seat and noticed no problem with braking.
Slagiatt
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Okay...I'll admit I don't get this one...
What's the difference between carrying a passenger (who would obviously activate the switch if weight is the issue) and cargo (which would seemingly always be less weight than a passenger.)
I know there's got to be something obvious here that I'm missing, but that wouldn't be the first time. :dontknow:pps:
What's the difference between carrying a passenger (who would obviously activate the switch if weight is the issue) and cargo (which would seemingly always be less weight than a passenger.)
I know there's got to be something obvious here that I'm missing, but that wouldn't be the first time. :dontknow:
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A passenger can (& generally will.... ) both hang on as well as have the ability to move around a little, & by doing so might generally contribute in a 'helpful' way to the weight transfer that can assist the Nanny in making sure that the Spyder doesn't end up flipping or running off the road if you/the passenger/the Spyder itself happens to do something just a tad too quick or aggressive for the speed you are travelling at; while 'cargo' perched on top of a seat with something inappropriate like a stretchy strap or two, or even just(only?) a stretchy net stretched across it, meaning it's not really or at best only 'loosely' secured onto the seat, & with all its weight raised up somewhat above the CoG of the Spyder, actually does none of the above.....
And therefore 'cargo' is far more likely to contribute in a very unhelpful way to both or either the Spyder's stability & the safety of the rider &/or anyone who happens to be in the path of the cargo that suddenly gets thrown off the Spyder if you happen to do something just a tad too quick or aggressive for the speed you are travelling at!! You'd be stunned at the damage even a fairly light duffel bag can do if it hits you or gets thrown off a bike even at speeds as low as 20mph - a 10lb soft bag does the same sort of damage you'd expect from being hit by a similar sized bag of cement.... & if you think being hit by 10lbs of duffel bag travelling at 20mph wouldn't be too bad, think of what would happen if someone threw a brick at your kidneys or your head!! Stretchy straps or nets simply won't stop anything like that from lurching around or even being thrown off a bike or Spyder if you swerve or brake at speed at anywhere near the maximum levels the Spyder is capable of - let alone hold it secure if you happen to be involved in a prang & suddenly stop dead!!! :shocked:
The injuries I've seen as a paramedic & first responder to accidents that've been caused by 'inappropriately secured' cargo breaking free during motorcycle & vehicle accidents are far more horrific than most could imagine - and even if YOU think the straps or whatever that you've used are stronger than the elastic used in those stretchy straps or helmet nets that so often get expected to hold things on bike seats, have you ever considered how strong the grab rails might be &/or what's actually holding the seat down??? :yikes:
So from BRP's pov, the best/easiest way of avoiding all that issue & potential litigation is to simply put a warning on there that tells you it's unsafe to carry cargo - it's probably only marginally less 'unsafe' to carry a pillion, but at least they'll be able to argue that a pillion made the choice to be there & if 'they' cause an accident of injuries, it was due to that choice rather than any failure of the Spyder seat or grab rails etc. :sour:
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Yup, pretty much. Allows the bike to squat a bit more while braking vs diving. The difference is very subtle, but noticeable.Probably none...
It just adds a little bit more rearward bias to the braking forces.
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Slagiatt
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Peter...thanks, but...
I agree 100% with your cautions about securing cargo. That's why I actually use 4 super-strength tie downs (the same ones used to secure a motorcycle when trailering it) on my Kuryakyn Gran Tour Bag. It is very secure and unmovable (of course, given that the grab rails stay on the Spyder.) I took a 5,000 mile trip (Indianapolis/Phoenix/Indianapolis) last Spring and had zero problems. While I know that "Murphy" can get in the game at any time, I'm pretty confident that the grab rails won't be leaving the Spyder on their own. Plus that, the bag is also strapped around my driver's backrest as an extra bit of support. BTW, the OEM saddlebags (which I have) are much less securely fastened than the grab rails themselves. While I "trust" that they are going to stay on the Spyder, those brackets are not foolproof.
Anyway, I'm still not sure what this "switch" under the seat (which is the main point of this thread) actually does. That is, how it relates to braking/handling. I've never noticed any change when carrying cargo and I almost wish I hadn't read this thread (something else to obsess about now.) :banghead:
So, I'll be using my Gran Tour Bag again next week going to Spyderfest, hoping for the same unnoticeable change in handling. But I plan to discuss this with others while I'm out there to see if I want to modify my packing system in the future.
I agree 100% with your cautions about securing cargo. That's why I actually use 4 super-strength tie downs (the same ones used to secure a motorcycle when trailering it) on my Kuryakyn Gran Tour Bag. It is very secure and unmovable (of course, given that the grab rails stay on the Spyder.) I took a 5,000 mile trip (Indianapolis/Phoenix/Indianapolis) last Spring and had zero problems. While I know that "Murphy" can get in the game at any time, I'm pretty confident that the grab rails won't be leaving the Spyder on their own. Plus that, the bag is also strapped around my driver's backrest as an extra bit of support. BTW, the OEM saddlebags (which I have) are much less securely fastened than the grab rails themselves. While I "trust" that they are going to stay on the Spyder, those brackets are not foolproof.
Anyway, I'm still not sure what this "switch" under the seat (which is the main point of this thread) actually does. That is, how it relates to braking/handling. I've never noticed any change when carrying cargo and I almost wish I hadn't read this thread (something else to obsess about now.) :banghead:
So, I'll be using my Gran Tour Bag again next week going to Spyderfest, hoping for the same unnoticeable change in handling. But I plan to discuss this with others while I'm out there to see if I want to modify my packing system in the future.
Chupaca
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As I see it...
if you carry a passenger or cargo the switch is doing it's job and the spyder is operating as it is supposed to. It's there to indicate more wieght and make the adjustments.. The pressure set is what they feel is needed to make the adjustments. You will not really notice any change...Relax load up and ryde....hyea:
if you carry a passenger or cargo the switch is doing it's job and the spyder is operating as it is supposed to. It's there to indicate more wieght and make the adjustments.. The pressure set is what they feel is needed to make the adjustments. You will not really notice any change...Relax load up and ryde....
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