Over the last several years I have seen the Tilting Motor Works mentioned as an alternative to getting a trike. Undeniably it is attractive since it seems to offer the stability of three wheels and the leaning ability of two. But despite being mentioned on many, many forums, I have yet to meet anyone that actually has one. And I have read a few things which really gave me pause. One was the concern for how it works on a road with significant camber, with the writer stating that the wheels locked upright, causing the bike to be dangerously tilted to the low side of the road. Another comment was that it was very ponderous to turn at slow speed. And then there is the cost factor, making it much more costly than a normal trike conversion. I considered the Tilting Wheel solution, as well as other trike conversions for my Goldwing, but then decided to just trade in the Goldwing and get a new RT. Very happy with my decision.
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Opinions wanted: Spyder vs HD trikes
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Over the last several years I have seen the Tilting Motor Works mentioned as an alternative to getting a trike. Undeniably it is attractive since it seems to offer the stability of three wheels and the leaning ability of two. But despite being mentioned on many, many forums, I have yet to meet anyone that actually has one. And I have read a few things which really gave me pause. One was the concern for how it works on a road with significant camber, with the writer stating that the wheels locked upright, causing the bike to be dangerously tilted to the low side of the road. Another comment was that it was very ponderous to turn at slow speed. And then there is the cost factor, making it much more costly than a normal trike conversion. I considered the Tilting Wheel solution, as well as other trike conversions for my Goldwing, but then decided to just trade in the Goldwing and get a new RT. Very happy with my decision.
RideOn
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I admit I've learned some things; for example, that a Harley trike actually does have a rear suspension. The one I rode on Saturday was either a poor design or poor execution, as it felt more like a hardtail. Probably the most important bit for me was the recognition that the forces encountered by the rear wheels are fed into the seat, and therefore directly into the rider's back.
I cannot say that I have ever had my Spyder ride poorly, and I've never felt beat up by it. I do wish at times I had a different seat, although the rider backrest I added recently helps quite a lot. Many threads here to assist with that question.
You are more than welcome to continue adding to this discussion, as every reply has brought forth a different aspect to consider. But it seems evident, as I noted in my opening statement, that my Spyder has spoiled me and remains a better choice from the rider's perspective. I'm also interested to see what changes are in store with the 2022 models.
My thanks to everyone for their input. :bowdown:
Bob
I cannot say that I have ever had my Spyder ride poorly, and I've never felt beat up by it. I do wish at times I had a different seat, although the rider backrest I added recently helps quite a lot. Many threads here to assist with that question.
You are more than welcome to continue adding to this discussion, as every reply has brought forth a different aspect to consider. But it seems evident, as I noted in my opening statement, that my Spyder has spoiled me and remains a better choice from the rider's perspective. I'm also interested to see what changes are in store with the 2022 models.
My thanks to everyone for their input. :bowdown:
Bob
I/we, my wife and I feel the same as dbh99. After I signed the check I realized my spyder was about $10k less than the HD, comparably. Also, the two wheels in front gave more stability and greater control during a panic stop. From there on it was down to comfort and a much safer feeling and control while on mountain roads and later at freeway speeds. The HD reverse was a major downer and the spyder had much more storage space. My friend's HD trike had to set in his garage, alone and unridden, for 6 months while he and HD battelled it in court using the "lemon law" here in mexifornia. HD finally patched up their problem and my friend settled but is still not pleased with his HD. I think I'd go postal if I couldn't ride for 6 months. Just joking of course.
rjinaz86323
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As stated in my previous reply I rode Harleys for years. One big difference I forgot to mention is power. The. TriGlide is greatly underpowered. If you live in the flatland it is fine, but in the mountains it really sucks. Especially on the freeway.
beachbumPC
New member
I bought a 2015 F3 with 2000 miles on it. In the 12 months I owned it I put 7500 miles on it before selling it. Here is how the 12 months went.
It was laser aligned when I got it.
At 4000 miles the front rotors warped, new pads and rotors.
At 5000 miles the front tires bad, coudn't go over 55mph too dangerous. Replaced with car tires.
At 5050 miles replaced sway bar, the wind really moves it around.
At 5200 miles bad belt vibration above 70mph added a belt tensioner. At least I could do 70 safely now!
At 8000 miles the rear tire was wore out. Replaced with a car tire.
At 9000 miles the front sprocket gave up, what a fun time replacing.
Sold at 9900 miles.
One month later bought a 2016 Harley Tri-Glide with 1600 miles. I have put 7000 miles on it so far in 7 months.
Changed oil.
The Spyder is fast and fun around town and with lots of changes and money can be adequate on the highway. The stereo and seat are awful.
The Tri-Glide is awesome on the highway but lots of clutching and shifting around town.
For me I would rather be riding the Harley than fixing the Spyder, I'm glad I got the Tri-Glide.
It was laser aligned when I got it.
At 4000 miles the front rotors warped, new pads and rotors.
At 5000 miles the front tires bad, coudn't go over 55mph too dangerous. Replaced with car tires.
At 5050 miles replaced sway bar, the wind really moves it around.
At 5200 miles bad belt vibration above 70mph added a belt tensioner. At least I could do 70 safely now!
At 8000 miles the rear tire was wore out. Replaced with a car tire.
At 9000 miles the front sprocket gave up, what a fun time replacing.
Sold at 9900 miles.
One month later bought a 2016 Harley Tri-Glide with 1600 miles. I have put 7000 miles on it so far in 7 months.
Changed oil.
The Spyder is fast and fun around town and with lots of changes and money can be adequate on the highway. The stereo and seat are awful.
The Tri-Glide is awesome on the highway but lots of clutching and shifting around town.
For me I would rather be riding the Harley than fixing the Spyder, I'm glad I got the Tri-Glide.
RideOn
Member
I'm surprised you had so much trouble with the F3. That hasn't been the case for me; nothing except routine maintenance on both machines. Certainly YMMV.
One factor important to me is the relative cost. A new TriGlide is initially at least $10k higher than an RT Limited, CVO editions are $50k+ (!) but both versions seem to hold their value well. Oddly, I've also observed that quite a lot of TriGlides don't get ridden very much, as evidenced by the postings for used machines.
I have a reservation for a test ride on a TriGlide coming up on Saturday. It's a 2016 that has only 2800 miles on it. That should settle the question for me.
Thanks for your input!
RICZ
New member
Your Tri-Glides time will come when it needs repairs. I ride with Harley folks, I know.
When I decided to purchase a spyder my research turned up the same info you discovered.
I knew someone was going to respond to that in short order. Good job. I don't really have anything against HD's. I came off an HD to a spyder. I could have gone either way, but my wife felt safer and more comfortable and secure on the spyder. After all, it's her money too.
rjinaz86323
Active member
My two issues (and only 2) with the TriGlide was 1. the difficulty/pain of steering (I have arthritis in my shoulders), and 2. living in the West with the mountains the TriGlide was way under-powered. Keep in mind mine was a 2016 and so it only had 87hp compared to 115hp on my Spyder, plus it weight almost 250# more.
IdahoMtnSpyder
Active member
My younger brother had a HD mid size two wheeler. After a few years he traded it for a Tri-Glide. He kept that about 2 years and sold it to move to a Ford Mustang. That didn't satisfy him so after a couple of years he sold it and bought a 2020 Spyder RTL. All indications are he is now happy. He said the Tri-glide was tiring to ride as the steering was hard. The solid axle tried to keep the trike going in a straight line and the front tire skipped around corners.
I live near Island Dragway in New Jersey, they are governed by NHRA. You can take a Spyder (revers trike) for a run down the track, You can not take a HD trike (traditional trike) down the track. A traditional trike is not as stable as a revers trike, and considered a "safety hazard"
I've had two RTs (2010 and 2014) and an F3 (2018). Currently, I have a 2019 Harley TriGlide. When I'm on a Spyder there are things I miss about having a Harley. When I'm on my Harley, there are things I miss about the Spyder. Here's my perspective -
- Harleys still feel like a motorcycle, with the chrome, that rumbling engine and all the metal. Spyder engines, while zippy, don't provide that primal satisfaction. The Spyder also has a lot of plastic which may or may not be something one cares about.
- Riding a Spyder is a much more relaxed and easy activity, especially in stop-and-go traffic or on curves. The TriGlide is sometimes (a lot of times) stubborn to turn. When you're stuck in traffic you are doing a lot of clutching and shifting. The Spyder will not tire you out as much as the Harley sometimes will. The way the Spyder shifts is just so damn nice and easy.
- There are Harley dealers EVERYWHERE so you're never far from a place that can service you on a road trip.
- The Harley has a lot more options for customization. Exhaust, seats, handlebars, etc. But a lot of those options, especially the HD branded stuff, is much more expensive than it ought to be IMHO.
- BP Connect is garbage. The Harley entertainment stuff is pretty decent (not as good as Indian) and it has Apple CarPlay.
- Both options have a ton of storage for a bike. This one is kind of a toss up.
- Reversing on a Harley is embarassing. It really is. You go from the throaty growl of those twin cams to a whiny, pathetic sound that is just a bit humiliating. And God forbid you have to reverse up even a slight incline. Not good with the Harley. Obviously the Spyder is a whole different story.
- Looks. Everyone has their own personal taste on this. I like both, the same way you can equally like the way a sportscar or a pickup look.
- The adjustable windshield on the RT is awesome. I can't tell you how many windshields I've tried out on the Harleys I've had over the years (I've also had a RoadGlide and a Heritage). Since Harley only has a fixed shield, it's never perfect for all situations so you try to find the best balance that you can. I honestly don't understand why Harley hasn't stolen the idea for this feature from Can Am and Indian.
- I've noticed that it's definitely different depending on where you're riding, but in some areas of the country (California is where I noticed this the most), other cyclists won't give you the friendly wave that they'll give you on the Harley TriGlide. I've never understood why three wheels is okay when I'm on my Harley but not on the Can Am. This isn't always true though. Just depends on where you're riding or the crowd that's around.
- Some folks have mentioned the Harley being underpowered but I haven't found that to be the case. Maybe it's because I've got the newer 114 engine but I've had no issue with going up mountains on my TriGlide.
- I could probably spend a couple of grand making my Harley suspension better than it is (it's okay, not awesome) but what I have now definitely doesn't match the softer ride of the Spyder.
My problem is that there's no one bike that totally satisfies me. I like the fun of being on two wheels but then I crave the safety and stability of three. I like the legacy and cache of Harley but I love the new and modern appeal of the Spyder. Alas, I can only afford one bike at a time so I'm always chasing that perfect ride.
That's my $.02
- Harleys still feel like a motorcycle, with the chrome, that rumbling engine and all the metal. Spyder engines, while zippy, don't provide that primal satisfaction. The Spyder also has a lot of plastic which may or may not be something one cares about.
- Riding a Spyder is a much more relaxed and easy activity, especially in stop-and-go traffic or on curves. The TriGlide is sometimes (a lot of times) stubborn to turn. When you're stuck in traffic you are doing a lot of clutching and shifting. The Spyder will not tire you out as much as the Harley sometimes will. The way the Spyder shifts is just so damn nice and easy.
- There are Harley dealers EVERYWHERE so you're never far from a place that can service you on a road trip.
- The Harley has a lot more options for customization. Exhaust, seats, handlebars, etc. But a lot of those options, especially the HD branded stuff, is much more expensive than it ought to be IMHO.
- BP Connect is garbage. The Harley entertainment stuff is pretty decent (not as good as Indian) and it has Apple CarPlay.
- Both options have a ton of storage for a bike. This one is kind of a toss up.
- Reversing on a Harley is embarassing. It really is. You go from the throaty growl of those twin cams to a whiny, pathetic sound that is just a bit humiliating. And God forbid you have to reverse up even a slight incline. Not good with the Harley. Obviously the Spyder is a whole different story.
- Looks. Everyone has their own personal taste on this. I like both, the same way you can equally like the way a sportscar or a pickup look.
- The adjustable windshield on the RT is awesome. I can't tell you how many windshields I've tried out on the Harleys I've had over the years (I've also had a RoadGlide and a Heritage). Since Harley only has a fixed shield, it's never perfect for all situations so you try to find the best balance that you can. I honestly don't understand why Harley hasn't stolen the idea for this feature from Can Am and Indian.
- I've noticed that it's definitely different depending on where you're riding, but in some areas of the country (California is where I noticed this the most), other cyclists won't give you the friendly wave that they'll give you on the Harley TriGlide. I've never understood why three wheels is okay when I'm on my Harley but not on the Can Am. This isn't always true though. Just depends on where you're riding or the crowd that's around.
- Some folks have mentioned the Harley being underpowered but I haven't found that to be the case. Maybe it's because I've got the newer 114 engine but I've had no issue with going up mountains on my TriGlide.
- I could probably spend a couple of grand making my Harley suspension better than it is (it's okay, not awesome) but what I have now definitely doesn't match the softer ride of the Spyder.
My problem is that there's no one bike that totally satisfies me. I like the fun of being on two wheels but then I crave the safety and stability of three. I like the legacy and cache of Harley but I love the new and modern appeal of the Spyder. Alas, I can only afford one bike at a time so I'm always chasing that perfect ride.
That's my $.02
bikerbillone
Well-known member
BRP is a boil on an otherwise fine three wheel machine. Will BRP ever divorce this 'thing', probably not.
tofriendscreek
Member
It’s a given, one is free to ryde whichever model, brand, etc., one wishes too. My opinion is a HD trike is more like driving a dump truck; a Spyder more like steering a sports car.
Could not agree more Mattman. The HD has soul by the bucket loads, the Honda Goldwing is a no muss, no fuss very excellent appliance. The Triglide has similar Bucket loads of Soul, but the Spyder family is a very excellent no muss, no fuss much easier to ride and actually safer ride. I have absolutely loved my 4 new HD's in the last 10 years, 2 RK's, a EG Classic and a 114 Heritage Softail Classic. It's a sickness for sure, also have a Stable of BMW's........:thumbup:
RideOn
Member
Mattman,
Thanks so much for a well written and considerate response. I have to say that in most ways you and I are on the same page. Granted that neither is "perfect", you must choose which compromises you are willing to accept. I think that is key.
I did get to ride a 2017 Tri-Glide, although with the 107 rather than the 114. I loved how it looks and sounds, but I was not exactly impressed by how it rode and handled. The rear suspension in particular just seems like an oxcart; it never missed a bump and transmitted that energy directly to the rider. And you are correct, the electric reverse is far inferior to the Spyder's. I was also cautioned that reverse frequently pops the circuit breaker, which requires removal of the right side panel to reset.
In the end, I elected not to buy the Tri-Glide. For one thing, the asking price of $32k for a 2017 with an M8 107 - although it had only 2050 miles and really was "as good as new" - is within $4k of the MSRP of a brand new machine. That may be a temporary market situation, as new units are hard to find, but the new model improvements - like the 114 motor - make the price for the used one seem questionable. The rear suspension roughness can likely be fixed, but that won't be cheap either.
The compromises inherent to the Spyder suit me better than the compromises inherent to the Tri-Glide. It also helps that I own the Spyder outright and have little interest in opening a new loan. I won't say I will never buy a Tri-Glide, but not at the cost of giving up my Spyder and a small fortune.
Thanks everyone for your thoughts and input! It's been educational for me. I am grateful to be part of a community so willing to give of its time and experience.
Ryde safe,
Bob
I went from a F3 to a HD Freewheeler because I wanted that soul and that sound. I spent nearly $1000 trying to fix the suspension. It beat me up. I do know that Kool trikes makes an IRS kit for the Freewheeler. But I bought a 2020 F3 limited instead. I miss the sound and nostalgia of the Harley, but love the ride quality, liquid cooled engine, and the technology. Even with the crappy BRP connect. I also wish BRP would cough up some money for apple or Google to have better Nav. Or have something similar to HD boom touch screen. Oh well. Then I wouldn’t have anything to complain about I guess. Oh I forgot to mention I don’t have to fill up with gas as often on the Spyder.
One aspect not mentioned is that riding a Harley trike you are still accepted fully by the HD crowd and still considered a "real" motorcyclist. Not so much with the Spyder. Judging by the "waves" when I am out riding, I am ignored far more often on the Spyder than I ever was on the Goldwing, including by HD riders. When younger I was very dismissive of trikes of any kind, feeling that going to three wheels meant leaving your motorcycle card behind. But age and related concerns made me consider 3 wheels as a way of still riding and providing comfortable enough accommodations that my wife would be wanting to still be my passenger. I had considered just moving to a lighter bike, but the small passenger seats on most bikes was a deal killer for me. I'm very happy with my 2021 RT, but I do feel that I am moved away from truly being a motorcyclist, something that I might not have felt had I gone with a traditional trike. Maybe its because seated on a conventional trike you still get the view as if you were on a two wheeler. If that's critical for you, stick with the Tri-Glide.
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