OK THIS IS NOT POLITICAL YET

[Bob Denman]

You have a friend that is a gun-owner, so you can't be anti-gun...
If you have any women as friends: does that also mean that you're pregnant? :dontknow:
EVERYTHING that you have said (and I DO mean everything..), points to the fact that you:
1. Don't like guns
2. Have never had any useful experiences with them
3. See no practical use for them

Some of my fondest childhood memories involve lessons learned from my Dad and my Grampa about the proper usage of them.
My Grandma Denman gave me my first rifle for my sixth Birthday: I still own that one today! :thumbup:

Your attitudes insult me, and I'm through with being nice.

And for the record: I've hunted only with handguns during the firearms Seasons, since 1986

 

[wyliec]

You have a friend that is a gun-owner, so you can't be anti-gun...
If you have any women as friends: does that also mean that you're pregnant? :dontknow:
EVERYTHING that you have said (and I DO mean everything..), points to the fact that you:
1. Don't like guns
2. Have never had any useful experiences with them
3. See no practical use for them

Some of my fondest childhood memories involve lessons learned from my Dad and my Grampa about the proper usage of them.
My Grandma Denman gave me my first rifle for my sixth Birthday: I still own that one today! :thumbup:

Your attitudes insult me, and I'm through with being nice.

And for the record: I've hunted only with handguns during the firearms Seasons, since 1986

Have a snickers. You're getting agitated too easily. Now, if he said bad things about bacon, that's another story, and a reason to get upset.

You're giving him too much play.

 

[Bob Denman]

I think that I'm just about ready to break out "Plan B":



Ron... You know that I've got an awfully l o n g fuse, when things start getting a bit testy in here.
But this moron has insulted my family's heritage, and I just cannot sit down quietly, while he spews his vile poison. nojoke
Did you know that I still own the first firearm that my family ever owned in America? They landed here in 1795, and I've got their muzzleloader: the one that fed the family, and kept them all safe.

 

[UtahPete]

:shocked: Wow... the level of your ignorance is fantastic. :clap:
Between the generalities that you espouse as Gospel, and your very limited exposure to responsible use and ownership of Firearms: perhaps you should listen more, and preach less. nojoke

Can you be more specific about my ignorance? What exactly am I wrong about?

I'm expressing a viewpoint, not expecting it to be one shared by everyone and certainly not 'gospel'.

I understand that most gun owners are responsible upstanding citizens. I have only questioned their reasoning about why they feel the need to carry a loaded guns on their person when in public. If you're not planning to use it in mortal combat with bad guys what other reason do you have?

 

[Bob Denman]

I'm done talking to you...
Nothing that we have said has made a dent in the cement-filled crap-spewing head of yours...
Go away, and accept that you will NEVER understand the reasons.

 

[Saluda]

You're giving him too much play.

I'm done, he can't be for real anyways.

 

[UtahPete]

I think that I'm just about ready to break out "Plan B":

Ron... You know that I've got an awfully l o n g fuse, when things start getting a bit testy in here.
But this moron has insulted my family's heritage, and I just cannot sit down quietly, while he spews his vile poison. nojoke
Did you know that I still own the first firearm that my family ever owned in America? They landed here in 1795, and I've got their muzzleloader: the one that fed the family, and kept them all safe.

Vile poison? Really? I'm asking a very reasonable question, not casting aspersions on anyone or their ancestors. Where exactly in my posts do you feel I did that?

 

[UtahPete]

I'm done, he can't be for real anyways.

I'm very real. And I'm actually in the majority, but apparently not among bikers?

 

[UtahPete]

I'm done talking to you...
Nothing that we have said has made a dent in the cement-filled crap-spewing head of yours...
Go away, and accept that you will NEVER understand the reasons.

My goodness gracious me...! :sour:

 

[UtahPete]

You have a friend that is a gun-owner, so you can't be anti-gun...If you have any women as friends: does that also mean that you're pregnant? :dontknow:

EVERYTHING that you have said (and I DO mean everything..), points to the fact that you:
1. Don't like guns
2. Have never had any useful experiences with them
3. See no practical use for them

Some of my fondest childhood memories involve lessons learned from my Dad and my Grampa about the proper usage of them. My Grandma Denman gave me my first rifle for my sixth Birthday: I still own that one today! :thumbup: Your attitudes insult me, and I'm through with being nice. And for the record: I've hunted only with handguns during the firearms Seasons, since 1986

All I have said, and I've said it consistently, is that handguns carried on person at all times are for the purpose of shooting people, and I can't understand why, in the land of the brave and the free, so many people feel the need to do that. There's no need to take personal offense at that. I think you're reacting the way you are because I've asked a difficult question and you don't have a good answer.

As for my own attitude towards guns; I've owned them, I've certainly fired firearms (including handguns) a lot during my year in Vietnam. I see their civilian purpose (hunting) and I don't hunt so have no need for a rifle or shotgun. But, I know a lot of people who do hunt and enjoy target practice at a range and I don't have a problem with that. I don't dislike them, I have experience with them, including in combat and I do see practical uses for them. So, you have read my posts apparently with a very closed mind in order to conclude otherwise.

The issue is HANDGUNS carried on the person by civilians in the modern age. Nothing else. Not weapons used for protection and food gathering by the pioneers. Sheesh!

 

[Fatcycledaddy]

Here I was just thinking we were having a civil discussion about firearms.

I did not read anywhere that he said he didn't want anyone else to carry a gun, he didn't condemn those that do, he just stated that he chose not to and doesn't understand those who feel a need to.
Yes you could read a little more into some comments and get offended, but in the end his opinion is still his opinion, yours and my opinion is still ours, and nothing changed in my or your ability to carry a gun.

Although it sounds harsh the way it was worded he is correct, why do we carry a gun whether in the open or concealed, to protect ourselves and our family if worse comes to worse. I was taught that if it got to the point that a gun had to be drawn and pointed at some one then you better be prepared to pull the trigger and eliminate the threat or kill someone. So in essence the only reason we carry on a daily basis is for the purpose of shooting people. Sounds harsh but yet it is truthful.

I don't carry because I think I will have to stop in the middle of the day and target practice, shoot my car because it is not running right, shoot something to take home to eat, or shoot any other thing. If I have to pull my gun to protect my life or the life of my family, I will be shooting someone.

We will never get someone to come to a better understanding of why we do what we due by calling them stupid, ignorant, a troll, or any other vile thing. Compromise and understanding comes from open discussion.

Blunt but truthful.

 

[UtahPete]

Here I was just thinking we were having a civil discussion about firearms.

I did not read anywhere that he said he didn't want anyone else to carry a gun, he didn't condemn those that do, he just stated that he chose not to and doesn't understand those who feel a need to. Yes you could read a little more into some comments and get offended, but in the end his opinion is still his opinion, yours and my opinion is still ours, and nothing changed in my or your ability to carry a gun.

We will never get someone to come to a better understanding of why we do what we due by calling them stupid, ignorant, a troll, or any other vile thing. Compromise and understanding comes from open discussion.

Thanks. I couldn't have said it better!

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

i don't have a gun and have no real desire to do so but i do want those who have to be licensed and insured. if you so firmly believe
in the second amendment then respect the first even when people say something you don't like. when someone says something you
don't like you can walk away but if someone is shooting at you you have to run.

 

[UtahPete]

i don't have a gun and have no real desire to do so but i do want those who have to be licensed and insured. if you so firmly believe
in the second amendment then respect the first even when people say something you don't like. when someone says something you
don't like you can walk away but if someone is shooting at you you have to run.

Well said.

 

[cuznjohn]

hey this went in a few directions today. i have nothing against people that don't like guns, and if they had a problem, i would be the first to help them if i had my gun with me. but it is like people that don't like religion, or the president, or guns, or medication, or sex, or motorcycles, or even dogs. just keep your opinions to yourself and let the ones who do believe in all the above stuff just talk about it

 

[Grandpot]

After 21 years as a police officer, I can honestly say this, "When seconds count, the police are only a few minutes away!" If you are not ready to protect yourself, you will end up being a victim.

 

[UtahPete]

After 21 years as a police officer, I can honestly say this, "When seconds count, the police are only a few minutes away!" If you are not ready to protect yourself, you will end up being a victim.

Thanks for chiming in. I was hoping to hear from the thin blue line.

 

[Trickie Dick]

hey this went in a few directions today. i have nothing against people that don't like guns, and if they had a problem, i would be the first to help them if i had my gun with me. but it is like people that don't like religion, or the president, or guns, or medication, or sex, or motorcycles, or even dogs. just keep your opinions to yourself and let the ones who do believe in all the above stuff just talk about it

WTH! You do know this is an open forum and people are free to express their opinions whether you like it or not. If you don't want others to offer, then don't start the thread or post anything for that matter.

 

[cuznjohn]

WTH! You do know this is an open forum and people are free to express their opinions whether you like it or not. If you don't want others to offer, then don't start the thread or post anything for that matter.

i didn't mean that anyone should not say anything. i don't really care. if i did i would of pulled the post

 

[Old Crow]

I understand that most gun owners are responsible upstanding citizens. I have only questioned their reasoning about why they feel the need to carry a loaded guns on their person when in public. If you're not planning to use it in mortal combat with bad guys what other reason do you have?

For me, you are pretty much on target. I got my concealed carry permit about two years ago, after the San Bernadino shooting incident. I go to the range a couple of times a month, and carry solely for self/family defense. I can, and will, use my firearm if confronted with a life threatening situation which I can not reasonably avoid.

One of the first things I learned regarding concealed carry is that you better not strap it on if you are not mentally prepared to use it. I carry an easily concealed 9mm compact, 13 round capacity, loaded with hollow points. I'm a retired senior citizen, neither a hunter nor hiker. It's not to protect me from various wild animals.

Do you see a problem in shooting someone who threatens your life in circumstances you cannot reasonably escape?

Bob