Bob Denman
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Because rats will eat their own young; in overcrowded conditions... nojoke
And it can be tough to tell the difference between them, and some of the folks that are stumbling around. :shocked:
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OK THIS IS NOT POLITICAL YET
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And it can be tough to tell the difference between them, and some of the folks that are stumbling around. :shocked:
You just denigrated 1/2 of your fellow countrymen with an extremely bigoted and uninformed comment; do you realize that?
That's a reason to open carry in South Dakota? Scary!
LateLifeCrisis
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Ah....but it's so easy for them to strengthen gun control laws and be against the average American having the right to own/carry a gun as they, like all of the whiny, liberal, I'm-moving-to-Canada celebrities, live in their gated communities with their own paid for security force, travel in armored vehicles, private aircraft, have their own armed body guards while at home AND AT WORK, yet they want to deny the rest of us the right to protect ourselves and our families. And should we talk about the superior, technologically advanced, fully automatic, multi-clip weapons used by their security that the average person is not privy to or entitled to possess? When the powers that be and those better than thou celebrities give up their armed security, then I will give up my small arsenal of weapons. Until then, "out of my cold dead hands" will be the ONLY way I'll give up my my 2nd Amendment Rights.
Fatcycledaddy
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I think you have a slight misunderstanding on why people carry.
I do not carry everyday because I am scared of anything or afraid on anyone.
I carry because there are other people and situations that can and do happen to very brave people each and every day, IE what just happened to our government employees, the knife attacks on the London Bridge, and to many other things to mention here.
Most people who carry will not run from a situation where others lives are in danger, but to situations to help others putting their lives in danger in the process. If they were afraid that would not happen.
I carry in hopes I will never have to pull and use my firearm, but also fully prepared to do so if I deem necessary.
I carry so that if and when something happens I might be able to save other lives along with my own.
If no one would have been carrying yesterday there would be a mass funeral today, not just the shooter dead and people injured.
Because I carry I try to always aware of situations around me, I know where a separate exit from the one I came in is at, I look for areas where someone could be hiding, or areas that could be dangerous and avoid putting myself into those situations.
My firearm is a tool that I hope I never have to use, but I carry it because I never know when I might forced into using it.
I carry because I have the right to do so.
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LateLifeCrisis
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There's an old saying that if you're a hammer then every problem looks like a nail. I'm not questioning your right to open carry, just wondering why you think it's a good idea. Because I think those who carry are more likely to see violence with a gun as the 'best' solution to interpersonal conflict.
I don't own a gun, although I live in one of the most gun-happy parts of the country (Utah). If I ever had any delusions about violence solving problems or shooting people as a manly thing to do, I got over that pretty quick after being in a combat zone.
But that's me and I understand that others feel differently. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the issue.
kep-up
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I agree with you, Saluda. That statement was in fact pretty stupid. And let the chips fall where they may.
cuznjohn
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i have a question being from new york city. lets say i am legal to carry. that gives me the right to protect myself. BUT DOES IT GIVE ME THE RIGHT TO PROTECT OTHERS IF I SEE A PROBLEM. i am legal to have my gun loaded in my house, and it is. so if someone breaks into my house and is armed, i am legal to shoot to protect myself. NOW, what does armed consist of. ok i can understand a knife, gun, or maybe a bat. lets say two people break in and have nothing, but i shoot, am i still legal. NOW MY NEXT STORE NEIGHBOR IRENE, is a 82 year old woman and lives alone. i have security cameras around my house, and one points at my front door and steps. i also see IRENE'S front door. lets say i see someone at her door and i hear her scream, god forbid. i dial 911 and report it. at that point i grab my gun and run out front and into her house and stop the person. AM I LEGAL DOING THAT. in the old days when i was a tough guy, i would of never thought of grabbing the gun. i would of stormed whoever broke into my house or her house, and attacked with my hands and fists. but i can't do that anymore, so now the gun is what i would use. how fast do you think it would be before i went to jail. anyone have any answers to this
I think you'd have to shoot Irene, too, just so there's no witnesses. Then you can tell the story any way you want.
Yes, I'm kidding. Black humor I know.
Glad to hear you're feeling well enough to run to your neighbor's!
wyliec
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Here cuznjohn
https://lawofselfdefense.com/jury_i...deadly-physical-force-in-defense-of-a-person/
Remember, if it's on the internet, it must be true.
https://lawofselfdefense.com/jury_i...deadly-physical-force-in-defense-of-a-person/
Remember, if it's on the internet, it must be true.
cuznjohn
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in other words, any lawyer can take what that statement say, and turn it around against you also. so in the end, it will cost you thousands of dollars, and tons of time to hopefully get out of the charges. and at that time, the cops will show up at your house, take all your refiles and hand guns, take your permit, and make sure that for the rest of your life, you will never be able to ever get another gun, or handle one or be around one. that is how i read it
Fatcycledaddy
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Sorry, never said I open carry, in my opinion that is an advertisement for trouble. Concealed carry is what I do. I don't attract attention to myself that way.
Bob Denman
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Saluda
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Isn't that a normal course of events ?
d.o.spyder-rts
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Open or concealed carry, I think he explained why he carries very well. Dale
mowin
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[QUOTE= shooting people as a manly thing to do...
I don't think anyone on here mentioned or said shooting someone is a manly thing to do...:dontknow:
I carry. It's my right to be able to protect myself and my family. That said, I'm no hero.. if trouble starts, I'm looking for a way to get me and my family out of there. IF, and only if, there's no way to exit stage left, then and only then will I engage to protect myself.
I don't think anyone on here mentioned or said shooting someone is a manly thing to do...:dontknow:
I carry. It's my right to be able to protect myself and my family. That said, I'm no hero.. if trouble starts, I'm looking for a way to get me and my family out of there. IF, and only if, there's no way to exit stage left, then and only then will I engage to protect myself.
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Fatcycledaddy
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I am not one of those people who think that if you choose not to arm yourself that you are wrong or crazy. It is a preference that need to fit your needs, want, and lifestyle. Just like riding a Spyder or motorcycle is not for everyone.
I am unaware of the training that is requires in other states to get your Concealed Pistol License, but the one I went through in MI stressed over and over that the pistol or weapon is the LAST resort. They stressed that even if it is justified when you use it, your life will change forever.
You will be arrested, you more than likely will be sued, it will cost you thousands of dollars, and in a lot of cases even your marriage, but you might still be alive.
It makes you start thinking things through thoroughly before you even a get your CPL from the state and start to carry.
Things like, if someone breaks into my home, is he attempting to cover or conceal his face or not. If there is no attempt to conceal or hide his face, he is more than likely not planning on leaving any witnesses. This means I will do everything in my power to take him out. If he is wearing a mask or concealing his face, I will try to comply with his demands until my or my family's lives become threatened, because things can be replaced, lives cannot.
When you go into a building you look for a second means of exiting because the way you came in may be the very spot the danger may come in at. You never plan on having to go through the danger to get away from it.
When walking down a street or from a place of business into a dark parking lot, you look for the areas that trouble could come from and avoid those if you can.
They taught us to "be aware and yet be prepared", how to better assess situations, how to not be naive and think because we now carry a weapon we are a super hero looking for trouble to stop.
So the comment about being a hammer looking for a nail is not accurate. A hammer is just one more tool that is in my tool box, it us used for pulling nails as well as driving them. I also use it to tap on walls to find studs, or reshape a bent piece of metal. With a hammer you must be familiar of what it can be used for before you fully understand it, you have to practice with it so that you can hit what you are swinging at, and do not use it in situations where a hammer is not required, you don't even get it out of the tool box or let anyone know you have it.
The same is true with your weapon. Just because you have it does NOT mean it fits every occasion or job, you must know what it can and is used for, then you must practice with it until you are proficient with it. Also you DO NOT use it when it is not required, you do not pull or show your weapon, and it is not important that anyone knows you have it until it is needed.
I am unaware of the training that is requires in other states to get your Concealed Pistol License, but the one I went through in MI stressed over and over that the pistol or weapon is the LAST resort. They stressed that even if it is justified when you use it, your life will change forever.
You will be arrested, you more than likely will be sued, it will cost you thousands of dollars, and in a lot of cases even your marriage, but you might still be alive.
It makes you start thinking things through thoroughly before you even a get your CPL from the state and start to carry.
Things like, if someone breaks into my home, is he attempting to cover or conceal his face or not. If there is no attempt to conceal or hide his face, he is more than likely not planning on leaving any witnesses. This means I will do everything in my power to take him out. If he is wearing a mask or concealing his face, I will try to comply with his demands until my or my family's lives become threatened, because things can be replaced, lives cannot.
When you go into a building you look for a second means of exiting because the way you came in may be the very spot the danger may come in at. You never plan on having to go through the danger to get away from it.
When walking down a street or from a place of business into a dark parking lot, you look for the areas that trouble could come from and avoid those if you can.
They taught us to "be aware and yet be prepared", how to better assess situations, how to not be naive and think because we now carry a weapon we are a super hero looking for trouble to stop.
So the comment about being a hammer looking for a nail is not accurate. A hammer is just one more tool that is in my tool box, it us used for pulling nails as well as driving them. I also use it to tap on walls to find studs, or reshape a bent piece of metal. With a hammer you must be familiar of what it can be used for before you fully understand it, you have to practice with it so that you can hit what you are swinging at, and do not use it in situations where a hammer is not required, you don't even get it out of the tool box or let anyone know you have it.
The same is true with your weapon. Just because you have it does NOT mean it fits every occasion or job, you must know what it can and is used for, then you must practice with it until you are proficient with it. Also you DO NOT use it when it is not required, you do not pull or show your weapon, and it is not important that anyone knows you have it until it is needed.
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cuznjohn
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i have to agree. if you get a carry permit, i feel you should go for courses on using the gun. i am guilty of having the gun and never going to the range. there was one range i used to go to where the range officers were off duty police officers and retired military people. so they were pretty strict with their rules and watched everything you did. but that range closed years ago. i don't think open carry is a good idea. lets face it, if some wise guy thinks you look like a easy way to get a gun off of, you might be a easy mark to try and take your gun. anyone that has a carry permit should have a course every year to see if you are still able to handle the gun, and still know the right and wrong things to do.
Bob Denman
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Unless it's required by law to do otherwise: carrying concealed is your best option. nojoke
If everyone know that you're armed: you just became the first target! :shocked:
If everyone know that you're armed: you just became the first target! :shocked:
