when i used to have my house up state NY, and would bring my pistol up with me, i went to the local police and state trooper stations to see if i could get a license for that area. my city license was amended to carry a pistol when hunting, but that was it. and when i left the house i didn't like the idea to live the gun in the house. both the local and state police told me to not bring the gun up with me. typical cop answer. but also told me that being it was a city permit i would most likely be ok if i followed all the laws, and if a cop pulled me over for any reason, to tell them first thing that i had a gun on me. so i did the best thing, i kept the magazine out of the gun, and the gun on my side unloaded, with a outside shirt covering it. one night i was in the oneonta diner on the salad line, and i get tapped on the shoulder by the largest state trooper i ever seen. a really nice guy, but big. he very nicely asked, do you have a permit, and may i see it. i said sure and told him i had to take it out of my rear pocket next to the gun. he said no problem. i got the permit, he looked and gave it back to me. then he asked, why is the gun unloaded. after i explained what i tried to get and do, and what i was told, and that i thought this was the best way to carry it. he said, nope, you need to protect it. i told him i had no bullets with me, so he said cover it and make sure it is loaded from now on. so from there on in, i figured every time i went to town, i locked the gun in it's locked box that i had for the city, then i stuffed the box under the front seat in my car, and i only parked my car in a spot where i could see the car when i got out of it. so like i said before in another post, the are a pain in the neck if you can't carry them, and could be nothing but trouble if you do carry them