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ok here is the story of the 2 JERKS, told by the guy who took the video

cuznjohn

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[h=1]'This is what happens when you lose control': Man who videotaped car-kicking motorcyclist speaks out[/h]

Some blame the biker for kicking the car and provoking the driver; others blame the “cager” behind the wheel for swerving into the biker at freeway speed.
As California Highway Patrol investigators search for a motorcyclist who kicked a sedan and then throttled away as an explosive, chain-reaction collision left two vehicles wrecked and one man injured, a viral video of the episode continues to spark debate over who’s to blame for the mayhem.
Motorcyclist kicks car and triggers chain-reaction crash in apparent road-rage video »
Now, the man who videotaped the automotive spectacle is speaking out about who appeared to be at fault.


In an interview with The Times on Friday, Chris Traber, 47, of Santa Clarita, said both men appeared to play a role in the harrowing incident.
It was about 5:45 a.m. Wednesday when Traber was in the passenger seat of his coworker’s car as they drove to work at a utility company in Burbank. They were headed southbound on the 14 Freeway, and driving in the No. 1 lane, when the man on a Harley Davidson-type motorcycle passed them on the left, riding close to the double-yellow lines that separate the general traffic lanes from the HOV lanes.
About 150 feet ahead was a Nissan sedan driving in the HOV lane, Traber said. Just as the motorcyclist was passing the sedan on the right-hand side, the sedan tried to exit the carpool lane and enter the No. 1 lane. That’s when the car bumped the bike.
“I’m sure he didn’t see the motorcyclist,” Traber said of the driver. “He scared the living daylights out of the motorcyclist. He almost went down. That guy can really handle his bike.”
Traber said that after the motorcyclist regained control, he pulled up to the car’s passenger door and began gesturing at the driver. Traber said he appeared to be saying something too, but Traber couldn’t hear him. He said he figured the biker was “saying something like, hey, you almost hit me! Watch out!”
Traber said it looked as though the driver was yelling something back at the biker, and that it didn’t help matters, because that’s when the motorcyclist started kicking the passenger door.
“I said, ‘Wow, man, something’s going to happen. I gotta get this,’” Traber said. “So I grab my phone and started recording.”
The motorcyclist then swooped behind the sedan, pulled up along the driver side and kicked the car again, Traber said. In a flash, the driver of the sedan swerved hard left and sideswiped the motorcyclist, almost sending him barreling into a concrete freeway divider, he said.
“As you can see, he lost control after doing that,” Traber said of the driver.
The video captured the chaos that ensued. After bumping the motorcyclist, the car swerved right, and then left, and collided with the concrete divider in a shower of sparks and flame. The car then ricocheted off the divider, veered across the freeway and slammed into a Cadillac truck, flipping it over onto its roof.
The motorcyclist, meanwhile, had slowed down and managed to avoid the bumper, glass and debris from the sedan’s crash and rode off. Traber said he and his coworker, along with a handful of other drivers, stopped to help.
Bystanders pulled the truck’s driver, an elderly man, out of the truck and helped him to the side of the freeway, Traber said. The driver of the sedan was apologizing to the man profusely, he said. The driver of the truck was hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries, the CHP said.
The CHP is handling the investigation and did not cite the driver of the sedan. Investigators need to interview the motorcyclist to get the whole story before any decisions are made, officials said. The case is now considered a hit-and-run.
Traber said he does not know how the video ended up online. He said he sent it to his family and a few coworkers, and that it served as a lesson.
“I think the fault was just both parties letting their emotions get the best of them,” Traber said. “This is what happens when you lose control.”

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-road-rage-video-santa-clarita-20170623-story.html

































 
Passing to the right in a freeway lane?

Seems to me the biker is completely to blame for passing the sedan to the right in the HOV lane. None of this would have happened otherwise.
 
We still own a home two exits behind the traffic moving in the direction of the camera. The bridge about to be crossed is San Fernando Road, now called Newhall Ave.

The 14 did not have HOV (carpool lanes) when we bought our house in 1987. They were added in the 1990s.

OK, what does that matter?

In California, it is ILLEGAL to enter or exit an HOV lane by crossing the two yellow lines which separate the HOV lane from the normal traffic. There are regular opportunities to exit/enter HOV lanes where there are no yellow lines. These occur about 1/4 mile before each available exit.

So, the dumba$$ biker, a Harley rider it appears, was completely in the wrong. He could not legally exit the HOV lane at that location, and it is illegal to pass a vehicle while both vehicles are in the HOV lane.

BTW, just ahead of that left curve is where the 1994 Northridge earthquake toppled the Cal 14 overpass as it merged with I-5. Mayor Dick Riordan got the intersection fixed in record time!! (Months, not the typical YEARS!!) He is a hero of mine and many who live near the Cal 14 freeway. Riordan was one of the few recent Republican Mayors of LA.

Cal 14 - I5 Overpass.jpg

Joe T.
 
..... They were headed southbound on the 14 Freeway, and driving in the No. 1 lane, when the man on a Harley Davidson-type motorcycle passed them on the left, riding close to the double-yellow lines that separate the general traffic lanes from the HOV lanes.
About 150 feet ahead was a Nissan sedan driving in the HOV lane, Traber said. Just as the motorcyclist was passing the sedan on the right-hand side, the sedan tried to exit the carpool lane and enter the No. 1 lane. That’s when the car bumped the bike.....

So Joe T, lemme get this right.... if it was the NISSAN driver in the HOV lane (& it seems it was) then HE was the one illegally trying to exit the HOV lane, so wouldn't it therfore be the NISSAN Driver who is the dumba$$ & not the motorcyclist?? :dontknow: Just asking??
 
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So Joe T, lemme get this right.... if it was the NISSAN driver in the HOV lane (& it seems it was) then HE was the one illegally trying to exit the HOV lane, so wouldn't it therfore be the NISSAN Driver who is the dumba$$ & not the motorcyclist?? :dontknow: Just asking??

There's more than enough "Stupid" to go around in this story. nojoke
I expect to see both of these "rocket scientists" get recorded as Darwin award winners: SOON! :2thumbs:
 
So Joe T, lemme get this right.... if it was the NISSAN driver in the HOV lane (& it seems it was) then HE was the one illegally trying to exit the HOV lane, so wouldn't it therfore be the NISSAN Driver who is the dumba$$ & not the motorcyclist?? :dontknow: Just asking??


"In an interview with The Times on Friday, Chris Traber, 47, of Santa Clarita, said both men appeared to play a role in the harrowing incident.
It was about 5:45 a.m. Wednesday when Traber was in the passenger seat of his coworker’s car as they drove to work at a utility company in Burbank. They were headed southbound on the 14 Freeway, and driving in the No. 1 lane,
when the man on a Harley Davidson-type motorcycle passed them on the left, riding close to the double-yellow lines that separate the general traffic lanes from the HOV lanes.
About 150 feet ahead was a Nissan sedan driving in the HOV lane, Traber said. Just as the motorcyclist was passing the sedan on the right-hand side, the sedan tried to exit the carpool lane and enter the No. 1 lane. That’s when the car bumped the bike."

Humm, maybe you're right. IF the biker was in the non-HOV lane next to the HOV lane, and the Nissan driver tried to exit the HOV lane, then yes, the Nissan guy was the dumba$$.

LA freeways, during rush hour, are are a dangerous place for MCs. My next door neighbor rides either his old GW or a Honda 750 EVERYDAY down that same stretch of freeway to Studio City. Amazingly, he has been doing it for many years and never had an accident, thankfully.

Joe T.

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One side note, no matter what the biker did, when the sedan tried to hit him penning him between the car and the concrete divider, IMO he could be charged with attempted murder with a vehicle.

IMO the sedan dude better hope that they don't find the biker. Any decent lawyer would get the biker off any serious charges and go after the sedan dude. The sedan tried to hit the biker in the HOV lane lost it and hit the CAD/SUV its all on video, his insurance will pay for the CAD.

I agree both could/should be charged with neg/reckless driving.
 
I'm not sure what they mean number 1 lane & passing on left, can someone explain that to me

In CA, and other states, it is common to refer to the "fast" (left) lane on multiple-lane freeways as the #1 lane. BUT, if there is another lane to the left of #1 it is usually defined as an HOV lane and is restricted as to what kind of vehicle can travel there and/or what times of day it is available to other traffic. It is always referred to as the HOV lane.

Most states require passing only on the left of the overtaken vehicle and passing on the right is illegal.
 
Well, my take on this is the cager is totally at fault but the biker kept him pissed by acting inappropriately. First, the car illegally tried to move from the HOV lane to the no.1 lane hitting the biker in the process. First mistake. Biker kicks at car in anger. Then biker decides that if car wants to be in his space that he will switch lanes with the car so he goes behind car and pulls up on the drivers side. then biker kicks at car. The car then tries to run biker into median and the rest is history. Looks to me like the guy in the car intended to wipe out the biker. The bikers kicking while stupid, is not life threating. For those in other parts of the country, lane splitting on a motorcycle (2 wheel) is legal in California. IMHO stupid, but legal. It is also legal to pass on the right on multi-lane roads/highways. So, the biker was doing nothing wrong when the car illegally tried to occupy the same space he was occupying.
 
well we don't know what started this incident. Likely they are both to blame. Not sure I would have stopped either. Motorcyclist did not hit anyone (with a vehicle) does kicking a car mean "hit and run" in the traffic violations? Car definably retaliated by using his car with deadly force with his vehicle. So likely they will both be charged
 
Wow!

Car hits bike, changes lanes, tries to hit bike again, missed and crashes into suv. The deadly weapon, a kick at a car. Like saying your face hurt my fist!
lets follow this; I’m thinking the car driver is at fault. Sideswiping a motorcycle seems more deadly than a kick or curse. What if the biker was saying “pull over, you hit me!” And the car was fleeing the scene?
 
Sorry... it's clear that the kick is what upset the applecart, and started the chain of events.
Biker is guilty of a whole lot of stupidity here. nojoke
 
Very interesting. No mention of the guy who, if he had not attempted to kill the motorcycle rider with his car, this would have been a non-event.

No matter how you look at it. The car driver voluntarily and deliberately swerved in such a manner as to cause the devastation. If he had continued to drive as he should have, there would be some damage to the motorcycle from the 1st contact and damage to his door. End of story. The story gets ugly at the point of his swerve into the motorcycle.

To come to any other conclusion would be to say that the driver was justified in his attempt to kill the motorcycle rider.
 
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