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O2 modifier

It seems they did more avoiding closed loop than modding it's too easy to make the system oscillate if you leave the loop closed. Whereas the evo just says I'll take all you'll give me wink wink
 
Two Brothers only puts their name on it and apparently has exclusive rights to it for the Spyder.

Dobeck Performance developed and manufactures the JB.

http://dobeckperformance.com/
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Dobeck was a co-founder of what is now Power-commander/Dynojet.

I believe while Dobeck made the original JB, the pro is made by Dynojet/PC.

HMF and many other companies re-label these units too.....
 
My bike has definitely changed personality since the O2 Mod. Power comes on much smoother now and acceleration has definitely improved. I don't feel like I have to be in that 7500-7700 rpm range now. And as a result, I'm smoother and consequently faster! It's weird man. But I like it!

I'm also learning to drift this thing. You can actually drift these things! You sort of have to use your back side some and shift your weight a certain way, but if you pick the right line (which takes a little practice) you can bring the ass end around and not really have to give much steering input and just power out. You can feel the slide but you just stick with it and you just rocket out of the turns. Dude it's sick! It took me a while to get the stones up to do it but I'm gettin there! I think if I had a slightly stiffer front end (i.e. better shocks!) it would be easier to do. But I'm still havin fun!!

So what you're saying is that the hesitation at about 55-60 when I'm rolling on the throttle is NORMAL? And the o2 mod will cure that?
 
It shouldn't be normal but i suspect it's the transient between closed loop and open loop operation. If you drive like I do if I'm accelerating through it it's because I made a mistake or I'm puttering through town. That's pretty low on the torque curve for this engine even detuned like it is. Brp didn't anticipate many people being in steady state down there for long.

Honda had the same problem with the s2000 when they introduced it. It was a high revving NA four with two cam profiles. People in the us complained it didn't have any torque even though it was the highest hp/liter normally aspirated engine in a production car on earth at the time. The power peak was around 8000 and everyone but me apparently was afraid to operate it up there.

Racing and performance cars are designed to run at a constant high rpm. Think of the throttle as a switch and the gear box as your speed control. Stay +- 1k from the torque peak.

The engine can take it
It campaigned with success in motoGP
 
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It shouldn't be normal but i suspect it's the transient between closed loop and open loop operation. If you drive like I do if I'm accelerating through it it's because I made a mistake or I'm puttering through town. That's pretty low on the torque curve for this engine even detuned like it is. Brp didn't anticipate many people being in steady state down there for long.

Honda had the same problem with the s2000 when they introduced it. It was a high revving NA four with two cam profiles. People in the us complained it didn't have any torque even though it was the highest hp/liter normally aspirated engine in a production car on earth at the time. The power peak was around 8000 and everyone but me apparently was afraid to operate it up there.

Racing and performance cars are designed to run at a constant high rpm. Think of the throttle as a switch and the gear box as your speed control. Stay +- 1k from the torque peak.

The engine can take it
It campaigned with success in motoGP
But can the REAR TIRE take it?
 
The stock kenda isn't up to the task but a good high performance tire will. Besides it's a wear item lol
 
OK; I'm guessing the previous owner did the o2 modifier, because there's a brass plug where the o2 sensor should be! BUT, I have bad hesitation when I roll the throttle on easily at cruise speed... would a wideband o2 sensor help?
 
I'm glad it's working out good for you guys. It's funny how the guys that don't have a o2 sensor want to put one in (bike guys) and the guys that have one take it out. I ran with Ken's setup for quite some time and wound up removing it. Didn't seem to help anything with it in and I loss about 2 mpg. :dontknow:
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6927&highlight=modifier

The BEST setup ever was the now-defunct Excelsior Henderson EFI. It was programmable via your laptop computer, or even your iPhone. You could map it any way you want. A remap got rid of the hesitation on my EH. Programming, custom cams, and a homemade 2-into-1 made it a 'Busa beater in dyno drags!:2thumbs:
 
Finally got spyder out of the shop and was running completely stock but just installed two bros only and it is popping like hell on decel. Dynojet gave me a new o2 senser controller(adjustable and set at modest 13.8 afr) to try. Will give that shot tomorrow.
 
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Finally got spyder out of the shop and was running completely stock but just installed two bros only and it is popping like hell on decel. Dynojet gave me a new o2 senser controller(adjustable and set at modest 13.8 afr) to try. Will give that shot tomorrow.

As expected, o2 sensor controller solved the problem with popping at decel and better throttle response.
 
Will the sensor controller stand alone without a juice box!

It can be used by itself. I did loose that explosive acceleration at full throttle spyder had with full power commander set up but it's not bad. I do have it 13.8 afr so if I go 13.6 I am sure I'll get little better performance. At lower rpm range, I really did not loose much.
 
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