Rogue Hawk
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I hope Can Am is not next:sour:
I hope Can Am is not next:sour:
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Now that Victory Motorcycles is dead
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Bob Denman
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We've heard that the Spyders have not been a money-maker for BRP... :shocked:
Perhaps they need to listen more carefully to the marketplace. nojoke
Perhaps they need to listen more carefully to the marketplace. nojoke
ARtraveler
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I am hoping that there will not be any earth shattering announcements at the Summer party in Valcourt. Time will tell and I am hoping that BRP will still be going on with the Spyder. There have been no announcements to the contrary and I am only voicing my concerns.
Three places that sold and serviced Spyders are now down to one for the whole state of Alaska. That is very concerning to me and has put the brakes on the thought of future purchases. I had a difficult time just getting a tire replaced last summer.
Bob Denman
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He posted it...
PMK
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I don't know the profit and losses of the Can Am Spyder lineup. While anything is possible, the reduction of the models offered, and the common engine platform in both the F3 series and RT series is a smart move to increase profit.
With a few variations of the F3 encroaching into RT territory. The next generation RT may not exist as we know it. Then again, with only two platforms to build on, and many variations of each, production becomes more efficient to supply the widest range of perspective customers.
Can Am misses the mark in several ways that hurt them. One is a good customer service and dealer service network. The initial cost when new may be a limiting factor to gaining market share. Myself, I think Can Am needs to revise the intended market or get a very accurate look at the potential buyers, and if needed convince them it is a good product, but so much goes back to the good dealers and true customer service.
Regarding the RT, while not all of us are older or retired, Can Am should seriously target the Gold Wing crowd and steal away the loyal Honda rider before the Neowing is introduced. The money spent on Honda trikes is big. I overhear many owners of Gold Wings openly talk that they will convert what they have, or buy a new Gold Wing trike before a Spyder. Whatever makes them want that, Can Am needs to figuire that out and gain some of that market.
Can Am motorcycles was run into the ground in the 80's on account of poor management decisions and not being alert to the market and the customer. History can repeat itself, and may, but let's hope not.
Victory is leaving the market, but Polaris is not. I do not know a lot about Indian and Victory models, but if smart Polaris will blend the brands somewhat, trying to defer losses and broaden the customer base, with a few models. As the models useful life is expiring, then decide how to remove that model.
With a few variations of the F3 encroaching into RT territory. The next generation RT may not exist as we know it. Then again, with only two platforms to build on, and many variations of each, production becomes more efficient to supply the widest range of perspective customers.
Can Am misses the mark in several ways that hurt them. One is a good customer service and dealer service network. The initial cost when new may be a limiting factor to gaining market share. Myself, I think Can Am needs to revise the intended market or get a very accurate look at the potential buyers, and if needed convince them it is a good product, but so much goes back to the good dealers and true customer service.
Regarding the RT, while not all of us are older or retired, Can Am should seriously target the Gold Wing crowd and steal away the loyal Honda rider before the Neowing is introduced. The money spent on Honda trikes is big. I overhear many owners of Gold Wings openly talk that they will convert what they have, or buy a new Gold Wing trike before a Spyder. Whatever makes them want that, Can Am needs to figuire that out and gain some of that market.
Can Am motorcycles was run into the ground in the 80's on account of poor management decisions and not being alert to the market and the customer. History can repeat itself, and may, but let's hope not.
Victory is leaving the market, but Polaris is not. I do not know a lot about Indian and Victory models, but if smart Polaris will blend the brands somewhat, trying to defer losses and broaden the customer base, with a few models. As the models useful life is expiring, then decide how to remove that model.
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PMK
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That may be the case. However, while my wife was riding during the Gold Wing riders trike course, I constantly overheard Gold Wing owners discussing the Can Am vs Gold Wing trikes. Never did dealer or service become the main topic, always it was loyalty to Honda that spurred the sometimes incorrect negative remarks about the Spyder.
Seemed odd I had to be there doing what some BRP advertising exec should have done. For me, I was indifferent and not negative about the Gold Wings, except when one guy pissed me off remarking about the stock Spyder horn when my wife accidentally started the horn and not the engine. I chose my moment to strike back. At lunch after listening to his BS about how great his trike was on the Blue Ridge, I asked if he was awarded the plaque. i proceeded to point out the frunk emblem on the Spyder, offering to him and his followers that the BRP plaque was for certain skills displayed on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Stunned he did not have one and wondering how a Spyder RTS could have something his trike did not have, he stood there without words. After many seconds of silence, I told him I was screwing with him and what BRP plaque was. Not happy he laughed, and there were no more negative Spyder remarks.
Also, during the first exercise, it was slow speeds and my wife worked the bars. The day was super hot in the high 90's and no shade. I told the wife, once the speed picks up slightly, you will work less and they will work their arms off. Sure enough, the Spyder rocked, the men noticed, the woman hated it and Gold Wing trikes were squashing cones in every corner. Still the negativity was spoken.
Can Am, at least from what I have noticed, never compares or truly compares and this is failure in advertising also.
All this I have posted, and I know the first day a Neowing arrives, I want to check it out. Better or worse, it will have trained techs and a solid dealer network.
:agree: For what you get and the cost and level of maintenance when done at the dealer. For me, the OEM tires are a big issue. For what the touring models are meant to be used for, one would think that they would be equipped with a minimum of 30k tires all around. Mandatory lazer alignment before going out the door. Maybe a more durable finish along with beefing up some items.
PaladinLV
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Price a Harley Davidson UltraTrike out the door the cost and level of maintenance at the dealer and then talk to me about 30K tires!
CanAm is a BARGAIN!!!
AJ
CanAm is a BARGAIN!!!
AJ
cognaccruiser
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With regard to BRP hosting the 10th anniversary homecoming, I seriously doubt they would bother doing that if they were going to announce that they were exiting the business.
I had a 2012 Gold Wing and sold it in order to get the Spyder. I considered trikeing it for about as long as it took me to find out how much it would cost to trike it. Trikeing a Wing is very expensive so if you already have a 2 wheel Wing you might not mind the additional cost but to me it wasn't logical. Buying a new Wing and then paying to trike it is way more expensive than a new Spyder. Yes Spyders are expensive but buying a HD trike or trikeing a Wing or other 2 wheeler is no better and probably worse.
Then there is the whole discussion of which is safer and fun to ride.
Yes I suppose BRP could decide to stop production of Spyders. Nothing is really ever certain in life. Should we spend all of our time worrying about what might happen? I'm not.
Gary
I had a 2012 Gold Wing and sold it in order to get the Spyder. I considered trikeing it for about as long as it took me to find out how much it would cost to trike it. Trikeing a Wing is very expensive so if you already have a 2 wheel Wing you might not mind the additional cost but to me it wasn't logical. Buying a new Wing and then paying to trike it is way more expensive than a new Spyder. Yes Spyders are expensive but buying a HD trike or trikeing a Wing or other 2 wheeler is no better and probably worse.
Then there is the whole discussion of which is safer and fun to ride.
Yes I suppose BRP could decide to stop production of Spyders. Nothing is really ever certain in life. Should we spend all of our time worrying about what might happen? I'm not.
Gary
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I too think that the Can Am is a bargain. It's ten thousand under a Harley trike and you have a semi auto trans. Getting a new Wing triked and it's at least 10 G's more. And still no auto transmission. Whenever the next Wing model comes out it will have a DCT as an option. Now that's getting close. But will they make a trike model? No one knows. Aftermarket would be around 40 thousand. Quite a tidy sum.
I'm a geezer with arthritis in the wrists so the Spyder solved a lot of problems. From what I've read on this forum most of us are geezers and long time riders, looking to keep riding. With the aging of the motorcycle riding public Can Am fits right in. I wonder why the models in the catalogs are all 20 year old girls and 30 year old guys. It's not a practical target. Sexy yes, real no.
I'm a geezer with arthritis in the wrists so the Spyder solved a lot of problems. From what I've read on this forum most of us are geezers and long time riders, looking to keep riding. With the aging of the motorcycle riding public Can Am fits right in. I wonder why the models in the catalogs are all 20 year old girls and 30 year old guys. It's not a practical target. Sexy yes, real no.
Bob Denman
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Rogue Hawk
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I wonder what the sales look like for Spyders.
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