NON-ETHNOL GAS

[scooterexpress]

on our trip to durango i made it a point to get non-ethnol gas after 2 stops filling up with this gas there was no difference in gas milage or perfomance has anybody else tried riding with non-ethnol to see if there was diff in my opinion it wasn't worth the extra money to go out of the way to get it.anyone else have a opinion or tried this?. thanks

 

[Desert Spyder]

I don't know if its ethanol related or not but as soon as I got released from California gas and put Arizona, Utah, and Colorado fuel in, my MPG shot up 5 miles while towing a trailer.:bowdown:

 

[Recluze]

I don't know if its ethanol related or not but as soon as I got released from California gas and put Arizona, Utah, and Colorado fuel in, my MPG shot up 5 miles while towing a trailer.:bowdown:

I have had the identical experience. I always blamed the ethanol. When I got to Illinois where they sell 15 % ethanol my gas mileage got worse. It did not take me two tanks to see the difference.

 

[billybovine]

Energy content

Pure ethonal has only 2/3 energy content of pure gasoline by volume. So it is logical to assume that a 15% blend you should lose 5% of your milage.

 

[Desert Spyder]

I have had the identical experience. I always blamed the ethanol. When I got to Illinois where they sell 15 % ethanol my gas mileage got worse. It did not take me two tanks to see the difference.

Bob, so glad you added the link to your blog. Its been a while since I've read them. You have a unique style of writing, like a travel magazine, that makes the reader want to go to the locations you have been to. I remember your blogs prior to the 09 Owners Event where we first met. Keep up the good words and good health.

 

[steve635]

Mathamatically correct

Pure ethonal has only 2/3 energy content of pure gasoline by volume. So it is logical to assume that a 15% blend you should lose 5% of your milage.

However, if you are getting 30 MPG, this would only account for a difference of 1.5 MPG. I know the difference was greater than that in my RS (I only have 1K on the Spyder, so mileage would be expected to improve but the difference was impressive). Have also noticed at least a 10% improvement on my RAM truck. Since the difference in price for me is only .10 a gallon, it definitely makes sense to use the non-ethanol, but the main reason I use it is to avoid the hygroscopic effects of ethanol in the event that I have to leave it for any significant length of time.

 

[billybovine]

However, if you are getting 30 MPG, this would only account for a difference of 1.5 MPG. I know the difference was greater than that in my RS (I only have 1K on the Spyder, so mileage would be expected to improve but the difference was impressive). Have also noticed at least a 10% improvement on my RAM truck. Since the difference in price for me is only .10 a gallon, it definitely makes sense to use the non-ethanol, but the main reason I use it is to avoid the hygroscopic effects of ethanol in the event that I have to leave it for any significant length of time.

I have no way of testing the effect of ethonal vs. non-ethonal gas. I live in the province of Ontario and I can buy 15% ethonal but regular and premium gas can contain up to 10% ethonal without being marked. The only assumption I can make is that premium will contain 10% ethonal because it is a cheaper way of boosting octane. It is good to know that mileage will suffer more with ethonal then the energy numbers may sugest.

 

[steve635]

Trumpet Fanfare......

I have no way of testing the effect of ethonal vs. non-ethonal gas. I live in the province of Ontario and I can buy 15% ethonal but regular and premium gas can contain up to 10% ethonal without being marked. The only assumption I can make is that premium will contain 10% ethonal because it is a cheaper way of boosting octane. It is good to know that mileage will suffer more with ethonal then the energy numbers may sugest.

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[TD="colspan: 1"][h=1]Welcome to the definitive list of stations that sell ethanol-free gasoline in the U.S. and Canada![/h]If you buy ethanol-free gas, and your station isn't listed here, please add it now ! (State-by-state labeling requirements are listed at fuel-testers.com .) Please remove stations that no longer sell pure gas, even if you didn't post them! Update or remove a station by clicking details->update this station on the station's listing. Users maintain this database — don't post a comment, add or remove the station yourself. Thanks! Got an iPhone? Download the free iPhone app , written by Jeff Jackson of AutoLean . Thanks, Jeff!!! Note: Jeff will be writing an Android app in the future. Alaska: All stations dispense ethanol-free gasoline. Alberta, Nova Scotia: All stations dispense ethanol-free gasoline. Some also dispense E10, so check the pump. British Columbia: all 94-octane Chevron fuel is ethanol-free. We currently have 5421 stations entered for the following states and provinces. Click on a state to see them! AB AK AL AR AZ BC CA CO FL GA HI IA ID IL IN KS KY LA MD ME MI MN MO MS MT NB NC ND NE NH NM NS NT NV NY OH OK ON OR PA QC SC SD SK TN TX UT VA VT WA WI WV WY YT [h=1]60 Pure Gas Stations in Ontario ( printer-friendly version )[/h][TABLE="class: stationlist"] [TR] [TD="class: heading"]City

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[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]All[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]All Canada[/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] All [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]ESSO[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Not All Stations Have Ethanol Free 91 Octane[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]All Ontario[/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Almonte [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Francis Getgo (Francis Fuels)[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]365 Ottawa Street[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N45.23362 W76.18639 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Any [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Drummonds Fuel[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Any[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Athens [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Kelsey's Marina[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]844 Water St[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.57321 W76.00099 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Barrie [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]86 Barrieview Dr[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.33526 W79.68808 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Bethany [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 89 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Bethany Fuels[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Hwy 7[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Brampton [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]CANADIAN TIRE[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]All[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Mclaughlin And Bovaird[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.69603 W79.79759 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Britt [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]ESSO[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 89 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Wright's Marina Limited[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1624 Riverside Drive[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N45.46057 W80.35083 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Brooklin [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]ULTRAMAR[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Ultramar[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]49 Winchester Rd W Brooklin, Ont, L1m2b5[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.95230 W78.96594 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Burlington [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1221 Guelph Line[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.35703 W79.81074 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Calabogie [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 94 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]W.O. Stinson[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]4709 Calabogie Rd.[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N45.30650 W76.71650 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Caledonia [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Caledonia[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Argyle St S[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.07124 W79.95301 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Charleston [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Lake Line Lodge & Marina[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]782 Cedar Park Road[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.56902 W75.99948 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Chatham [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]St. Clair And Mcnaughton Sts[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Cloyne [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Smart's Marina[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1018 Smart Rd[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.85629 W77.18024 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Courtice [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1350 Taunton Road East[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Dunchurch [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Duck Rock General Store[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Highway #124[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N45.66247 W79.78164 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Elmvale [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 89 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]R & P Variety[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]2236 Cr-92 Cr-29[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Gananoque [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]ULTRAMAR[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Gordon Marine Ltd.[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]129 South St.[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.32570 W76.15665 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Gravenhurst [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 89 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]2269 Highway 11 South[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Hanmer [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
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[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Municipal Road 80 & Dennie St.[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Kenora [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]CANADIAN TIRE[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Canadian Tire Gas Bar[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1229 17hwy East[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N49.75954 W94.47217 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Keswick [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Four Corners[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.15565 W79.21442 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Little Rapids [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]MC DOUGAL FUELS[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 94 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Little Rapids General Store[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]111 Main St[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] London [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
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[TD="class: station"]Loblaws / Superstore "Refuel"[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Wonderland Rd & Southdale, Oxford & Gammage[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.77154 W79.21819 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Markdale [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Dairy Daughter[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Toronto St. S.[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.31867 W80.64810 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Midland [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 89 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Bay Port Yachting Centre[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]156 Marina Park Drive[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.75735 W79.89952 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Midland [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 89 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Bayport Yatching Center[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]156 Marina Park Ave[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.75735 W79.89952 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Mississauga [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1800, Bloor St East[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.62530 W79.58523 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Newmarket [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]18263 Younge St[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Niagara Region [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Gale's Gas Bars[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]All Locations[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.24224 W79.08346 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Oro-Medonte [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Highway 11 Southbound, Just North On Oro Line 4[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Oshawa [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1350 Taunton Rd E[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.94288 W78.83468 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Oshawa [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Simcoe Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]962 Simcoe Street North[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.92285 W78.87491 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Ottawa [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Francis Fuels Gas Bar[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1944 Merivale Road[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N45.32688 W75.71996 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Ottawa [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Macewen[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]All[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Ottawa [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Petro Canada[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Stations Where 94 Is Not Offered[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Ottawa [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"][/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell V-Power Is Ethanol-Free In All Shell Stations In Canada[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1234 Any Street[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]not available [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Peterborough [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Endicot[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]700 Ashburnham Dr[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.28975 W78.29719 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Port Hope [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]ULTRAMAR[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Easton's Service Center[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Hwy 401 / Cr28[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.97300 W78.28750 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Rockford [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Macdonnell Fuels[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Hwy 6/10[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.52219 W80.91757 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Rockport [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Ed Huck Marine[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]53 Front Street[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N44.38197 W75.92939 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Sarnia [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]ESSO[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Esso[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1670 London Line[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N42.98389 W82.32962 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Sault Ste Marie [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]ESSO[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 89 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Esso On The Run[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]3 Trunk Rd[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N46.50976 W84.30118 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Sault Ste Marie [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 89 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Water Tower Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]386 Great Northern Road[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N46.53511 W84.31873 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] St. Catharines [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]389 Ontario St[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.18065 W79.26700 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Strathroy [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]UNBRANDED[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 89 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Petrocan[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]168 Metcalfe St. E.[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N42.95952 W81.61696 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Toronto [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]MEGA GAS[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 87 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Mega Gas[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1121 Broadview[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.68761 W79.35472 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Toronto - Scarborough [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]SHELL[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Shell[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]1575 Warden Ave[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]N43.76516 W79.30195 [/TD]
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[TD="class: station"] Trenton [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]ULTRAMAR[/TD]
[TD="class: station"] 91 [/TD]
[TD="class: station"]Ultramar[/TD]
[TD="class: station"]110,Hwy 33[/TD]
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[r1100rider]

on our trip to durango i made it a point to get non-ethnol gas after 2 stops filling up with this gas there was no difference in gas milage or perfomance has anybody else tried riding with non-ethnol to see if there was diff in my opinion it wasn't worth the extra money to go out of the way to get it.anyone else have a opinion or tried this?. thanks

I have found it makes a definite differance things start quicker throttle responce is instant and a little increase in mileage iv'e seen 40 plus on an RS also it won't breakdown as fast when it sits, corn gas is bad in as little as 60 to 90 days

 

[bluestratos]

I have no doubt that the pure gas gives better performance and milage. I almost always use pure gas but on my recent trip to Reno I had to use what I could get. My MPG average dropped by 1.5 over all. I put in an additive that is supposed to improve this but if it did then the drop was even worse. The Power difference is subtle but I could feel it... off the line, up a hill or passing was horrible. Some of this had to be related to altitued as well, when I got back to the coast but still using the blended fuel my power was significantly better again.

Not sure I would drive out of my way, but when I can I use the real stuff.

 

[Recluze]

Bob, so glad you added the link to your blog. Its been a while since I've read them. You have a unique style of writing, like a travel magazine, that makes the reader want to go to the locations you have been to. I remember your blogs prior to the 09 Owners Event where we first met. Keep up the good words and good health.

My Number one and only Fan! Thanks for the kind words. I am going to be off like a prom dress as of next weekend so stay tuned. I am going East until I hit triple digets or get rained on.

 

[Recluze]

Pure ethonal has only 2/3 energy content of pure gasoline by volume. So it is logical to assume that a 15% blend you should lose 5% of your milage.

Yeah that all makes sense. I could take a 5 % hit and understand why. But 10% ethanol costs me 10 % mileage. 15% ethanol cost me 15% mileage. I guess burning pure ethanol I would get zero mileage. It doesn't make sense but then nothing about ethanol makes sense. The physics just don't add up.

 

[Marker]

I always stay away from ethanol unless I can use lower octane fuel in my car. Fueling the spyder is always min 91 octane fuel or higher if I can get it and the spyder runs awesome !!. My wife's new car is a Mazda 3 with skyactiv technology and it gets awesome fuel economy on pump reg octane 87 ethanol gas. The owners manual tells you to use 87 octane gas

 

[Desert Spyder]

My Number one and only Fan! Thanks for the kind words. I am going to be off like a prom dress as of next weekend so stay tuned. I am going East until I hit triple digets or get rained on.

Haha, you haven't changed much have you Bob.

 

[murphybrown]

Definitely better with non ethanol....

Definite improvement for me....I have a non ethanol pump in my home town so I have run the "vs" comparison on at least 4 different "tests"....non ethanol gives me anywhere from 1.2 to 2.3 mpg improvement...difference usually (in my opinion) is how active the right hand is!!!!:clap::clap:

 

[bone crusher]

ethanol is crap...another 'green' idea that fails miserably. BTW, you're still burning a carbon based fuel so emissions are not better anyway....argh! :banghead:

You end up spending more on fuel as ethanol is far less efficient...

 

[Recluze]

ethanol is crap...another 'green' idea that fails miserably. BTW, you're still burning a carbon based fuel so emissions are not better anyway....argh! :banghead:

You end up spending more on fuel as ethanol is far less efficient...

It takes 3 gallons of petroleum based fuel to grow two gallons of ethanol. I guess they expect to make it up in volume. To replace foreign oil imports with ethanol would require planting 98 % of the US in corn. Of course then we would not need gasoline because the entire country would look like corn and what would be the point of going any where. Oh I know-we could drive out and look at the derelict windmills that are polluting the countryside out west.

You cannot legislate the laws of physics.

 

[steve635]

"BTW, you're still burning a carbon based fuel so emissions are not better anyway....argh!"

Just because a fuel is carbon based does not mean emissions are the same (far from it) compare coal to natural gas. Both are carbon based but one's emissions (NG) are almost entirely CO2 (which only the EPA could consider a pollutant, plants see it as dinner) and water vapor. The other's emissions have CO, Benzene, and lots of heavy hydrocarbon residual mess. The idea of ethanol though, has nothing to do with "green" energy, but rather "renewable" energy, which somehow gets lumped in the same basket.

"I guess they expect to make it up in volume. To replace foreign oil imports with ethanol would require planting 98 % of the US in corn."

Another problem with ethanol from corn (as though being inefficient and hygroscopic weren't enough) is that the actual ear of corn is used, meaning that corn is grown strictly for ethanol production, reducing the available food supply. Even if we really, really, wanted ethanol, producing it from corn makes no sense other than that there are a lot of corn farmers (who vote) in the U.S. Ethanol from sugar cane is produced from what is leftover after the juice is squeezed from the cane. The fuel still is less efficient, but at least it doesn't delete food stores.

 

[bone crusher]

It takes 3 gallons of petroleum based fuel to grow two gallons of ethanol. I guess they expect to make it up in volume. To replace foreign oil imports with ethanol would require planting 98 % of the US in corn. Of course then we would not need gasoline because the entire country would look like corn and what would be the point of going any where. Oh I know-we could drive out and look at the derelict windmills that are polluting the countryside out west.

You cannot legislate the laws of physics.

Corn is a horrible and inefficient way to go...period...the switch grass and sugar cane they use in Brazil is far better....regardless, ethanol is ethanol, and it just isn't as efficient as the real stuff...

I think hydrogen is the way to go...we just need a little more technology as the stuff passes through almost everything...meaning, it's hard to have a tank that can contain it long-term...

 

[MidLifeCrisis]

Every year, we looked forward to delicious local corn for great prices, but ever since it's been used for fuel, lousy fuel at that, the prices for corn has been through the roof and the quality of edible corn equally as bad. Using food as fuel is always a bad idea. All we have to do now is make sure we reduce enough CO2 to kill plant life and we're all in trouble. CO2 a pollutant.... Bahhhh....

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