Bob Denman
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That would be just great: all of the disadvantages of more expensive fuel that gets moldy, and none of the fun of a high-winding engine! :gaah:
Where are you going to hide the DEF tank anyway: one of the saddlebags? :roflblack:
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Non ethanol in the spyder?
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Where are you going to hide the DEF tank anyway: one of the saddlebags? :roflblack:
Easy Rider
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If you mean that it allowed a lot of small farmers to actually see a small profit.....some for the first time in decades.....then you are right about that.
But it does not "attract" water. It absorbs or combines with water that it comes in contact with......but it doesn't "attract" anything.
Easy Rider
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IF.....the CAFE standards are relaxed and the sales trends toward LESS fuel efficient vehicles continues......those benchmarks might change.
Easy Rider
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Maybe that's because it is not "dry rotting" at all.
All "rotting" is a chemical reaction and free oxygen and/or sunlight is not always required.
BLUEKNIGHT911
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SMALL FARMERS
As in short / tiny :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:.......... Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the farmers that are selling their CORN for " Ethanol " imho are almost entirely " Conglomerates " ie. Mega Farms ........ jmho ........... Mike :thumbup:
Easy Rider
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Farmers usually sell their corn on the open market and don't usually know where it will end up.....ANY of them.
And I am not guessing, I was one.
Some of the biggest ethanol producers are cooperatives created by lots of farmers, many/most of them certainly not "mega" by any means.
Your HO is wrong. And your "joke" is not funny.
ATTRACT/ABSORB......tit- for- tat, play on words in my opinion. And like Blueknight said..... MEGA farms....been to Iowa lately?? Mac:thumbup:
Easy Rider
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Yes. My brother-in-law still farms there.
His "company" consists of him, one neighbor, one son and a couple of grand-sons who think they are farmers but still are in grade school.
Is that what you mean by a "Mega farm" ??
How many 4x4 "dualie" J.D./Intl.'s does he have operating on his farm? Heck, Wisc. even grows a lot of corn but it is mainly used for feed, since we rate 2nd to Calif. in the dairy industry. Mac:doorag:
It's a gift to the corn farmers from Congress. There is no environmental benefit from it from all the studies I've read.
Who knew big corporate farmers needed welfare?
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Easy Rider
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How many vehicles do you have in your garage ?
What difference does THAT make ??
I don't remember. Two I think maybe.
Since he only has 3 people available to run them, more than 3 would be a little stupid.
Easy Rider
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YOU need to give it up, Pete.
Would you rather to go back to putting MTBE or lead in the gas ?
An oxygenate additive cuts down on some polluting by-product; don't remember which one.
Maybe if you had actually lived on a farm you would have a better understand of what you are talking about.
You certainly don't now.
What did farmers ever do to set you off ?
IdahoMtnSpyder
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Time and again I try my best to introduce some rationality into the discussions here only to be ignored, apparently. Is most everyone here only interested in pushing his/her own viewpoint with the attitude of, "My mind's made up. Don't confuse me with the facts!"
Ethanol does not harm fuel systems that are designed to tolerate it.
The energy derived from ethanol is less than an equal volume of petroleum fuel.
Ethanol serves as a more environmentally friendly octane booster.
Manufacturers push and push for more power out of an engine which requires higher octane.
Ethanol serves as a more environmentally friendly octane booster.
I'm not crazy about using corn for fuel but until there is another octane booster invented we are probably stuck with it.
Politics and science both are motivators for the use of ethanol.
The energy required to grow the corn and produce a gallon of ethanol is greater than the energy in the resulting gallon of ethanol. (That's my understanding anyway!)
The solar energy used to grow corn is renewable and never ending. The water extracted from the earth and used to grow corn eventually returns to the earth.
Petroleum extracted from the earth to produce fuel is transformed into all sorts of final products, none of which truly replace the extracted petroleum.
Using petroleum for fuel is good! Using corn for fuel is good! Which one is 'gooder'? :dontknow: :dontknow: :banghead: :bowdown:
Ethanol does not harm fuel systems that are designed to tolerate it.
The energy derived from ethanol is less than an equal volume of petroleum fuel.
Ethanol serves as a more environmentally friendly octane booster.
Manufacturers push and push for more power out of an engine which requires higher octane.
Ethanol serves as a more environmentally friendly octane booster.
I'm not crazy about using corn for fuel but until there is another octane booster invented we are probably stuck with it.
Politics and science both are motivators for the use of ethanol.
The energy required to grow the corn and produce a gallon of ethanol is greater than the energy in the resulting gallon of ethanol. (That's my understanding anyway!)
The solar energy used to grow corn is renewable and never ending. The water extracted from the earth and used to grow corn eventually returns to the earth.
Petroleum extracted from the earth to produce fuel is transformed into all sorts of final products, none of which truly replace the extracted petroleum.
Using petroleum for fuel is good! Using corn for fuel is good! Which one is 'gooder'? :dontknow: :dontknow: :banghead: :bowdown:
I don't know but when I'm travelling westward, we see quite a few "farms" that have big AS* four wheel drive tractors that look pretty new and some of them are driven by GPS! When I worked the farm back in the 70's before I went into the service, the farmer that my dad and I worked for had the same tractors for at least 10yrs.(2ea. Massey Fergusons 1100's) and he probably had them a couple of years prior to that, When I pass a field, it appears the tractors I see in use are pretty darn new and I will see 2 or 3 working the same field! I know it is also the "buddy system" were farmers contract out to each other to get more work done, but I know you can't mortgage the farm every year for tractors such as those, somebody has to be making money somewhere or you would not be in the business. That's all I'm say'n.
As a matter of fact, we have 2 vehicles, our truck and our Spyder, that's it and I don't make money with either one. Mac:thumbup:
Just think Bob, twin TURBO's would really be a BLAST!! But then we would be complaining about the HEAT again! Mac:roflblack::roflblack:
I am not so sure about that. My gut says if you took away all the subsidies for corn I suspect ETBE would be a better way to increase octane. I am not a chemist, but I am guessing that is how they create the premium without alcohol, which I am convinced is a superior gasoline.
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I have met a lot of people who have no interest in saving the planet. I also understand the "feeling good" stuff. I switched careers but for a while I was forester. As somebody who had a 4 year degree in land management and spent 95% of his time on the job in the woods for ten years, I quietly resented being lectured why my clearcuts were terrible by somebody who occasionally went hiking. Things will be far more conclusive in ten years, so lets be patient.
Unfortunately I got into a discussion with a electric engineer with expertise in the batteries and your concerns about the batteries are legitimate.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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I wasn't aware of ETBE but it looks good. However, corn subsidies will impact it as ETBE is about 45% ethanol based. I read one place where ETBE is characterized as 'expensive' so the economics of using it apparently are not as favorable as ethanol. Chemically it appears to be superior to ethanol overall. Higher octane fuels like premium gas use carcinogenic additives to boost octane.
Here's an interesting article about the pros and cons of ethanol. https://extension.psu.edu/fuel-ethanol-hero-or-villain.
Easy Rider
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You don't "mortgage" the farm, you mortgage the actual equipment.......just like you do if you buy a brand new car.
I grew up on a farm back when the vast majority of them were 200 acres or less.
My Dad had two tractors. Both were at least 20 years old and had been rebuilt at least once.
When it came time to pick corn, you mounted the picker ON one of the tractors and pulled the wagons with the other one.
Our pickup truck was near to 30 years old......until we finally got a new one in 1972. It lasted OVER 30 years.
So.....don't "just say" to me anything about "rich farmers". My brother and I got NO new toys except for birthday and Xmas......if we were lucky.
I'm out of the business now so I don't know but I wonder if the recent tax cuts actually benefited farmers much. I somehow doubt it. It sure benefited other business types A LOT. Why aren't you railing against that ??
Without farmers, you would starve.
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