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Nitrogen

Unless you have two valves on your rim, one to put the nitrogen in and one to push the air out, you will never get any significant amount of nitrogen in the tires to make a difference. Nitrogen is a scam. :gaah: I bet that if you look at rims on a race car, that truly runs nitrogen in their tires, it has two valves. Anyone have pictures of a race car rim that runs nitrogen??
 
It's no biggy

Let all the stale air out first, and then fill it with nitrogen.
I have done mine at Tire Warehouse, and having friends who work there, get mine free. ;-)
Keeps them at the same general pressure, hot or cold.

Chas
 
Unless you have two valves on your rim, one to put the nitrogen in and one to push the air out, you will never get any significant amount of nitrogen in the tires to make a difference. Nitrogen is a scam. :gaah: I bet that if you look at rims on a race car, that truly runs nitrogen in their tires, it has two valves. Anyone have pictures of a race car rim that runs nitrogen??

Not true. As stated above if you deflate and fill it will hold a steady (+-1-2psi) pressure year round . It simply does not expand or contract like air does due to lack of H2O and O2. I used it in my Corvette and never had to add air for over 2 yrs. Nitrogen molecules are larger and do not bleed though the rubber.
 
78.1% of our air is nitrogen, for nitrogen to be effective for tire use you require minimum of 95.5% preferably 98.75% or higher. I put nitrogen in my tires yesterday.
nitrogen is a dry inert gas with molecules ~ 3 time the size of oxygen so it should seep out of the rim/tire at a much slower pace, since it does not contain moisture it will not expand or contract like air does & keeps a more stable pressure at all times. i have been doing nitrogen at my shop for over 10 years & recommend it for high performance vehicles, motor cycles, any chrome plated wheel & any wheel that has tpms. being a dry gas it will not damage the tpms pin which is sensitive to galvanic fusing or chrome plating the way oxygen can.
 
Unless you have two valves on your rim, one to put the nitrogen in and one to push the air out, you will never get any significant amount of nitrogen in the tires to make a difference. Nitrogen is a scam. :gaah: I bet that if you look at rims on a race car, that truly runs nitrogen in their tires, it has two valves. Anyone have pictures of a race car rim that runs nitrogen??

2 valves are never needed to fill a tire with nitrogen. Many aftermarket wheels today are made with 2 valve holes, 1 for regular valve the other for tpms. when nitrogen system inflate your tires the computer will have your tire purged twice & then finally filled the third time as to keep the purity up.
if you know any airline pilots or military pilots ask them & they will tell you the importance of nitrogen.
 
78.1% of our air is nitrogen, for nitrogen to be effective for tire use you require minimum of 95.5% preferably 98.75% or higher. I put nitrogen in my tires yesterday.
nitrogen is a dry inert gas with molecules ~ 3 time the size of oxygen so it should seep out of the rim/tire at a much slower pace, since it does not contain moisture it will not expand or contract like air does & keeps a more stable pressure at all times. i have been doing nitrogen at my shop for over 10 years & recommend it for high performance vehicles, motor cycles, any chrome plated wheel & any wheel that has tpms. being a dry gas it will not damage the tpms pin which is sensitive to galvanic fusing or chrome plating the way oxygen can.
Nitrogen is not inert. It is compounded with other elements to create ammonia, super glue, and a raft of other products. As N2 (Pure nitrogen) each nitrogen atom is very strongly bonded with the other atom making up N2. As a result, it is generally not considered to be highly reactive. It does interact with other chemicals to naked nitrogen hydroxide though. The issue of dry nitrogen vs nitrogen gas with dissolved water vapor is important. But using it in general purpose vehicles (cars, trucks, motorcycles) provides nothing but psychological comfort.
 
Cool topic. First off, We run compressed air in our machine.

Many varied opinions on why to run N2, most common reason not run N2 is money.

Consistency is a big reason to run N2. Racers, need predictable and repeatable settings. Compressed air could work but it varies from each time a tire is serviced and will give a different result on the track. Often moisture is the culprit. If racers had a better choice, they would likely use it.

Never measured a N2 Molecule, but word is they are larger. If you run tube type tires, this is a big factor, less important on the modern tubless tire but they will not bleed down as quickly. Therefore tire pressures remain up longer.

As for TPSM, I learned something with that, and honestly it is certainly a viable reason.

The post that mention how to purge the air, I agree, however we use two partial fills, and then a final fill.

I enjoy the comments about why aircraft run N2 in tires. We run N2 for a number of reasons, not one sole reason.

First, many of the tires are inflated to pressures not easily attained by the typical air compressor. So it is far easier for me to service a tire with N2 bottles. FWIW, when we do this maintenance task, for safety, we do not get positioned anywhere except facing the tread. This way if the flange fails, and they do, the metal fragments will fly away from you (hopefully).

Second, the brakes on most aircraft are able to absorb a lot of heat. The heavier aircraft from corporate jets and up have fuse plugs. These plugs by design will release the tire pressure at a given temp. The idea is that if the fuse plug releases, the temp may be worthy of a fire or tire explosion. N2 will not add to the combustion as the gas is released. his reduced fire hazard is also good for racers.

Third, like the TPSM already mentioned having corrosion concerns, aircraft wheels are often made from either certain alloys of cast aluminum or magnesium. With the heat and corrosive dust from the carbon or metal brakes the wheels tend to see abuse. We make all attempts to control corrosion as the pits could become stress concentrations and cause cracks, either in the tie bolt holes or flange radius.

Forth, we do not often get too worked up about pressure loss as the tires are checked often. We do deal with huge temperature shifts from say leaving a southern runaway with asphalt temps near 150f, enduring a flight at -40f and then landing on a snow covered runway. The N2 helps in these large temp changes.

Also, we use N2 to service pretty much all the accumulators and blowdown bottles. Often for similar reasons.

In smaller aircraft such as single engine piston types and often in twin engine piston aircraft, the smaller shops will use compressed air. Not all but many do this. Often, these aircraft have inner tubes, and it does make a difference in how quickly the pressure drops.

Is N2 worth it in a Spyder... A lot depends on how readily available it is and the cost. Myself I have N2 bottle in the garage for rebuilding shocks, yet I still grab the air hose and gauge and fill the three tires with compressed air. I'm just being lazy.

Cool topic.

PK
 
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