NHTSA COMPLAINTS

[brutus450]

If so, have you considered a Class Action Suit against BRP on behalf of all Spyder owners?

are you kidding me? BEHALF OF ALL SPYDER OWNERS???:roflblack: Keep me out of that one please. Probably the most rediculous statement I have read on this site.

This world is too damn sue happy.

I think I am going to sue Charmin for clogging my toilet. The stuff is just too dang fluffly.



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[dltang]

are you kidding me? BEHALF OF ALL SPYDER OWNERS???:roflblack: Keep me out of that one please. Probably the most rediculous statement I have read on this site.

This world is too damn sue happy.

I think I am going to sue Charmin for clogging my toilet. The stuff is just too dang fluffly.



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I know this is a serious conversation but brutus, that just made me laugh. I love my Charmin.

 

[SpyderWolf]

This world is too damn sue happy.

I think I am going to sue Charmin for clogging my toilet. The stuff is just too dang fluffly.

:roflblack: I think you need some type of personal injury. Perhaps Charmin not only clogged your toilet, but gave you hemmorhoids as well. :joke:

 

[brutus450]

I know this is a serious conversation but brutus, that just made me laugh. I love my Charmin.

I havent done my "dailey duty" until I make someone smile and laugh

 

[Firefly]

It also scares everyone else; however, it was never substantiated that her accident was caused by a steering malfunction. There is a chance it may have been, but that is all speculation at best.

I would actually like to see the numbers for how many Spyders of each model year have been sold in the US. Then we could compare that to the number of reports the NHTSA has recorded, along with those who have posted on here about having the issues. The numbers may actually speak much better themselves than the rest of us could.

I am also concerned about the steering issue, and waiting for BRP to announce they have found a final solution to it. But the talk of filing a class action lawsuit is very premature in this instance. If the lawsuit was able to be filed, what resolution would you be looking for? A guarantee that nothing is ever going to go wrong with your Spyder? Reimbursement for the time that you could not ride it?

I would think if anyone had the notion, and possible opportunity to sue on those grounds, it would be Deb and Brian. Yet I have never seen them post any statements to that effect. :dontknow:

If memory serves, at the time of the recall there were around 9,000 Spyders in North America.

All things considered - the number of DPS failures is a pretty small amount of the total sold.

 

[RTGENE]

LEASE DON'T SQUEEZE THE CHARMIN-------I HAVE BEEN WAITING YEARS TO SAY THAT.

 

[dryheat]

If memory serves, at the time of the recall there were around 9,000 Spyders in North America.

All things considered - the number of DPS failures is a pretty small amount of the total sold.

The number of NHTSA reports is obviously skewed. I'm pretty sure it only contains a few of the incidents where people actually experienced steering failure. Most are unreported, I suspect. There is also a boatload of people who didn't get the lock-up, but have had to replace the DPS unit because of repeated BUDS failures. I'd be interested to see how many DPS units have been replaced for all reasons.
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[rider2554]

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this is what scares me

http://corsicanadailysun.com/local/x212388655/Former-educator-dies-in-motorcycle-crash

This is sad to see. Would like to know if it was do to rider error, weather conditions, was she wearing a helmet, mechanical issue (DPS problem), health issue? Could be any of the above. My prayers go out for her family.

 

[WaltH]

I have been crossing my fingers that BRP will make its cause and effect announcement very soon. If something doesn't happen pretty quick, I may never get my fingers unstuck. This could make it difficult to ride.:2thumbs:

 

[QuadManiac]

If the "fixed" steering issues persist it might be personal injury lawsuits that come into play.

And, of course, this is exactly what the class action, ambulance chasing sharks are hoping for.

No offense intended to any attorneys here, I was married to one for 22 years... but class action abuse is the scourge of the US judicial system - making fortunes for the law firms and a pittance for deserving members of the class.

 

[ThreeWheels]

So let me understand. Are these things death traps just waiting to kill the unsuspecting innocent rider, or is this just one of those things ?
I'd like to have some feel for the failure rate. Is it one in a million, and all six of those have posted, or is it more like one in a hundred ?
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I'd like to know since I haven't picked up my RT yet.

 

[FANG]

So let me understand. Are these things death traps just waiting to kill the unsuspecting innocent rider, or is this just one of those things ?
I'd like to have some feel for the failure rate. Is it one in a million, and all six of those have posted, or is it more like one in a hundred ?
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I'd like to know since I haven't picked up my RT yet.

This forum is only representative of a fraction of spyder owners and problems are a major focus at times. Rest assure the spyder is no more dangerous than any other motorcycle or trike.

I love my spyder and ryde as often as I can.

 

[SpyderWolf]

So let me understand. Are these things death traps just waiting to kill the unsuspecting innocent rider, or is this just one of those things ?
I'd like to have some feel for the failure rate. Is it one in a million, and all six of those have posted, or is it more like one in a hundred ?
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I'd like to know since I haven't picked up my RT yet.

welcome

In response to my earlier question, FireFly stated there were approximately 9,000 Spyders sold in the US. So, the rate of incident reports to NHTSA is very low with that number of Spyders on the road. As HDXBones stated, there have not been any reported problems with the 2010 models so far. I have not had any steering issues yet, nor do I want to have any, and I continue to ryde mine like I stole it.

:congrats: on getting your new RT soon.

 

[NancysToy]

The number of NHTSA reports is obviously skewed. I'm pretty sure it only contains a few of the incidents where people actually experienced steering failure. Most are unreported, I suspect. There is also a boatload of people who didn't get the lock-up, but have had to replace the DPS unit because of repeated BUDS failures. I'd be interested to see how many DPS units have been replaced for all reasons.
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I wouldn't call it a "boatload", but I do agree with your assessment. A number of members have experienced the problem immediately on the heels of the update, and merely had the dealer address it. No NHTSA reports in those cases. In several cases the dealer himself has seen the "Check DPS" warning, and has notified the customer that a new DPS unit was on order. Again, no NHTSA involvement. That is proper, since there was no "incident" to report, but it will skew the reported numbers. Even with those, the number of failures is a small percentage of the Spyders sold.

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

Numbers

If memory serves, at the time of the recall there were around 9,000 Spyders in North America.

All things considered - the number of DPS failures is a pretty small amount of the total sold.

Yes that is correct---But, look at TOYOTA; An extremely small percentage of reports relative to the millions sold. It only takes one though to kill you.nojoke

 

[Way2Fast]

I wouldn't call it a "boatload", but I do agree with your assessment. A number of members have experienced the problem immediately on the heels of the update, and merely had the dealer address it. No NHTSA reports in those cases. In several cases the dealer himself has seen the "Check DPS" warning, and has notified the customer that a new DPS unit was on order. Again, no NHTSA involvement. That is proper, since there was no "incident" to report, but it will skew the reported numbers. Even with those, the number of failures is a small percentage of the Spyders sold.

Just having the "check DPS" flash on the dash should be considered an "incident" because it is a warning that something is out of wack. If all systems were functioning properly chances are their would be no message displayed on th dash.

 

[SpyderGirl]

A number of members have experienced the problem immediately on the heels of the update, and merely had the dealer address it. No NHTSA reports in those cases.

I fall into that category, I did file a report with NHTSA stating so.

 

[Firefly]

So let me understand. Are these things death traps just waiting to kill the unsuspecting innocent rider, or is this just one of those things ?
I'd like to have some feel for the failure rate. Is it one in a million, and all six of those have posted, or is it more like one in a hundred ?
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I'd like to know since I haven't picked up my RT yet.

The steering problems have been amplified by many out here on these internets.

Should you be aware of this concern? ---- YES!

Should you be worried you're riding a 'death trap'? Absolutely NOT!

Far more dangers with a higher % of causing a Spyder crash than this steering issue----- with one of top ones being idiots driving cars near you while talking on cell phones.

Even with the 'minor possibility' of a steering system failure, I'll still put the safety of the Spyder up against any bike on the road. Other opinions will obviously vary.

We only know of a few 'possible' actual accidents due to steering failure. All others have been able to maintain control of the Spyder.

Buy it. Ride it. Be aware of any possible mechanical failure (flat tire, engine stopping, dead battery, steering problem, etc. .....). This goes for ANY bike on the road-- not just the Spyder.

 

[NancysToy]

Just having the "check DPS" flash on the dash should be considered an "incident" because it is a warning that something is out of wack. If all systems were functioning properly chances are their would be no message displayed on th dash.

If it happens to the dealer, before you get the Spyder back, it would be discounted as a second hand report, even if you choose to file with NHTSA. Reports that could not be substantiated, could be confused with another issue, or were too vague, were part of the Toyota problem. NHTSA discounted many of them, so delayed their investigation. I strongly urge all who have had an actual malfunction that resulted in some real effect to report them, and even to report warnings they experienced that could not be explained or corrected by the dealer, but reporting that your dealer called and saw a warning on the screen would be counterproductive...and likely ignored.

 

[Smylinacha]

So let me understand. Are these things death traps just waiting to kill the unsuspecting innocent rider, or is this just one of those things ?
I'd like to have some feel for the failure rate. Is it one in a million, and all six of those have posted, or is it more like one in a hundred ?
?
I'd like to know since I haven't picked up my RT yet.

:dontknow: Nobody really has any info yet. Only place that has info is the NHTSA that you can see posted. And we don't know if this is a real # or do people experience these problems and just not report them. So we really do not know how many Spyders have had this happen.