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New relay in the fuse box...

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2008 SM5 fuse box...

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and 2009 SM5 fuse box:

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Is it possible to remove the Tyco and put in one similar to the others (not that I would do that)...I really know nothing about relays, but what would warrant the change?
 
In my Spyder, they are all Tyco relays. I looked up the Tyco relays on the mfrs. website and found a data sheet on the VF28-11F14-S01 (large main relay) and a general data sheet for the VJ28 series of relays (smaller black relays). I'm not sure if there has been some change in the electronics between the 2008 and the 2009 Spyders but the main difference I see between the two relays is that the larger VF28 relay has contacts rated for higher current (45 amps) as opposed to the VJ28 contacts being rated at 20 amps on the Tyco data sheet. Note that the complete Tyco number of the smaller relay (VJ28-95F74-S01) comes up as active but not available as a current product and the case on the VJ28 relay is stamped with 30 amp / 20 amp ratings. This could have been a specially made relay for BRP with a higher contact rating in a smaller sized case. The reason why the smaller relays have 5 posts is that the lone center post is for a normally closed contact. Removing the relays and looking at the fuse / relay holder, that center post (the 87A contact of the relay) doesn't have a corresponding contact in the relay holder so that contact is not used in the Spyder.

My take on this is that either BRP redid some of the electronics and made it possible to decrease the relay size for the main relay or that they decided that the extra current capacity of the main relay was not necessary and they are saving money by carrying one less part # in the manufacture of the Spyders. In either case, I bet that one could put the VJ28 relay in the VF28 relay spot to get home or to the dealership.
 
bjt said:
In my Spyder, they are all Tyco relays. I looked up the Tyco relays on the mfrs. website and found a data sheet on the VF28-11F14-S01 (large main relay) and a general data sheet for the VJ28 series of relays (smaller black relays). I'm not sure if there has been some change in the electronics between the 2008 and the 2009 Spyders but the main difference I see between the two relays is that the larger VF28 relay has contacts rated for higher current (45 amps) as opposed to the VJ28 contacts being rated at 20 amps on the Tyco data sheet. Note that the complete Tyco number of the smaller relay (VJ28-95F74-S01) comes up as active but not available as a current product and the case on the VJ28 relay is stamped with 30 amp / 20 amp ratings. This could have been a specially made relay for BRP with a higher contact rating in a smaller sized case. The reason why the smaller relays have 5 posts is that the lone center post is for a normally closed contact. Removing the relays and looking at the fuse / relay holder, that center post (the 87A contact of the relay) doesn't have a corresponding contact in the relay holder so that contact is not used in the Spyder.

My take on this is that either BRP redid some of the electronics and made it possible to decrease the relay size for the main relay or that they decided that the extra current capacity of the main relay was not necessary and they are saving money by carrying one less part # in the manufacture of the Spyders. In either case, I bet that one could put the VJ28 relay in the VF28 relay spot to get home or to the dealership.
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Thanks for taking the time to research this, BJT. Saves me a lot of trouble chasing it. From what you've said, I would agree that you could get home with the VJ28 relay or an aftermarket spare in the VF28 location. It's far easier to carry a single relay as a spare.
-Scotty
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bjt said:
In my Spyder, they are all Tyco relays. I looked up the Tyco relays on the mfrs. website and found a data sheet on the VF28-11F14-S01 (large main relay) and a general data sheet for the VJ28 series of relays (smaller black relays). I'm not sure if there has been some change in the electronics between the 2008 and the 2009 Spyders but the main difference I see between the two relays is that the larger VF28 relay has contacts rated for higher current (45 amps) as opposed to the VJ28 contacts being rated at 20 amps on the Tyco data sheet. Note that the complete Tyco number of the smaller relay (VJ28-95F74-S01) comes up as active but not available as a current product and the case on the VJ28 relay is stamped with 30 amp / 20 amp ratings. This could have been a specially made relay for BRP with a higher contact rating in a smaller sized case. The reason why the smaller relays have 5 posts is that the lone center post is for a normally closed contact. Removing the relays and looking at the fuse / relay holder, that center post (the 87A contact of the relay) doesn't have a corresponding contact in the relay holder so that contact is not used in the Spyder.

My take on this is that either BRP redid some of the electronics and made it possible to decrease the relay size for the main relay or that they decided that the extra current capacity of the main relay was not necessary and they are saving money by carrying one less part # in the manufacture of the Spyders. In either case, I bet that one could put the VJ28 relay in the VF28 relay spot to get home or to the dealership.
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Maybe you could look this up for us Bro. I can't find anything.:opps:
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=102319&postcount=32
 
wyliec said:
I'm not trying to confuse the issue here, but are you now saying the Duralast 19271 is not a good match for the other 3 relays?

Thanks
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So says another member here. I've been using it just fine but if there is a better replacement I want to know the part number.
 
Whoever has that 2009 Spyder in the picture put 10 amp fuses in their switched and unswitched accessory circuit. On my 2008 Spyder, I think they are supposed to be 3 amps.
 
bjt said:
Whoever has that 2009 Spyder in the picture put 10 amp fuses in their switched and unswitched accessory circuit. On my 2008 Spyder, I think they are supposed to be 3 amps.
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Also looking in the '09 operators guide everything looks the same as the '08 guide including the big relay on the left.:sour:
 
bjt said:
Whoever has that 2009 Spyder in the picture put 10 amp fuses in their switched and unswitched accessory circuit. On my 2008 Spyder, I think they are supposed to be 3 amps.
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That is my fuse box and it came from the dealer exactly as the picture shows. It has not been worked on either other than Docdoru recently so it couldn't have been switched out by someone.
 
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0228lisa said:
That is my fuse box and it came from the dealer exactly as the picture shows. It has not been worked on either other than Docdoru recently so it couldn't have been switched out by someone.
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Seems to be a discrepancy here. Maybe someone else with an '09 could check their fusebox. Here's pics from the '09 operator's guide:
 
Can't remember I was busy looking for my missing screws :helpsmilie::gaah::D
 
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