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New Recall Gas Cap Did Not Fix Gas SMell
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cjackg
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This is the first question they ask when you report the problem to a dealer and looks to me like an effort to blame the owner and/or possibly avoid acknowledging there is a basic problem!
I never had this problem with my 2010 RT but had it from the 1st week with the 2012 RT and I never "overfilled" either one.
Something different with the 2012? The Canister & purge valve were replaced on the 2012 by my dealer and I have the new cap, but the problem is still there.
My dealer is consulting with BRP on the next step....
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Bob Denman
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That's an easy question to answer;
"No sir; I would never, EVER, EVER overfill a tank!"
Please keep us in the loop on what is found. Good Luck! :thumbup:
"No sir; I would never, EVER, EVER overfill a tank!"
Please keep us in the loop on what is found. Good Luck! :thumbup:
Bob Ledford
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I think, I am really hoping, that the second replacement cap is a winner, Last Saturday i. was at the selling dealership browsing an made mention that my original replacement call was not working. I took it off for the service department CSR to look at and it was her recommendation to take a cap turned in by a former owner and try it over the weekend.
i am glad that I did!!!!!:shemademe_smilie:
i am glad that I did!!!!!:shemademe_smilie:
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I didn't ...
I have the same model and year too Tazzel and I didn't have any gas smell either ... But after seeing some posts about fires starting with or without any indication / warning ... I did change out to the New gas cap that came from BRP.
I have the same model and year too Tazzel and I didn't have any gas smell either ... But after seeing some posts about fires starting with or without any indication / warning ... I did change out to the New gas cap that came from BRP.
OneBadPenny
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Smell...
We did not have any gas fume smell with the old gas caps --
We received the new ones for the RSS and RTS and dutifully put them on.
Went on 2 different rides and the gas smell was overwhelming in the garage both times.
Put the old gas caps back on to test if there was any fumes and amazingly, there was absolutely none.
What's up with that? :banghead: Frustrated.
We did not have any gas fume smell with the old gas caps --
We received the new ones for the RSS and RTS and dutifully put them on.
Went on 2 different rides and the gas smell was overwhelming in the garage both times.
Put the old gas caps back on to test if there was any fumes and amazingly, there was absolutely none.
What's up with that? :banghead: Frustrated.
S
spydeyblue
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Same Problem with Our 2012 RT-S
We own a 2012 RT-S, and we've started having the same problem with strong gasoline odors, and liquid gasoline dripping from the evap cannister overflow line, after a long ride, and a nearly empty gas tank. After reading many posts on this forum, we know better than to even come close to overfilling our gas tank. We took our Spyder to the dealership a few weeks ago, and all they did was replace the evap cannister. As soon as we rode our Spyder home from the dealership, the evap cannister overflow line was dripping gasoline again, so obviously, the cannister wasn't the only problem. My guess, after reading the technical manual, and lots of posts on this forum, is the purge valve has failed. We're taking our Spyder back to the dealership again, and I'm going to insist they troubleshoot the blasted purge valve, this time around, not just throw another cannister at the problem. If the purge valve isn't broken, then my guess is the vapor recovery system design itself is flawed, somehow. If so, BRP needs to fix the problem, ASAP, with a voluntary recall. California is pretty harsh, when it comes to vehicle emission violations, so BRP would be much better off handling the problem themselves, before Sacramento finds out about it! nojoke
Sincerely,
Paul and Linda
We own a 2012 RT-S, and we've started having the same problem with strong gasoline odors, and liquid gasoline dripping from the evap cannister overflow line, after a long ride, and a nearly empty gas tank. After reading many posts on this forum, we know better than to even come close to overfilling our gas tank. We took our Spyder to the dealership a few weeks ago, and all they did was replace the evap cannister. As soon as we rode our Spyder home from the dealership, the evap cannister overflow line was dripping gasoline again, so obviously, the cannister wasn't the only problem. My guess, after reading the technical manual, and lots of posts on this forum, is the purge valve has failed. We're taking our Spyder back to the dealership again, and I'm going to insist they troubleshoot the blasted purge valve, this time around, not just throw another cannister at the problem. If the purge valve isn't broken, then my guess is the vapor recovery system design itself is flawed, somehow. If so, BRP needs to fix the problem, ASAP, with a voluntary recall. California is pretty harsh, when it comes to vehicle emission violations, so BRP would be much better off handling the problem themselves, before Sacramento finds out about it! nojoke
Sincerely,
Paul and Linda
Bob Denman
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jmcbow
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Recieved mine yesterday, I guess their not shipping these "in accordance with the riding season" as there is a foot of snow on the ground here.:joke:
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
Yea, we got ours yesterday, too. Maybe they know something we don't? :roflblack:
Bob Denman
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Perhaps they're forecasting an early Spring??? 
ray: :thumbup:
ray: :thumbup:Bob Ledford
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no darn it
I went out on Sat. For about 60 mile ride average temperature was in the low seventies came he pulled in the garage, went through a short idle period, while I set the PB and killed it with the key switch. No immediate odors present. Anne came in and said, you need to smell the garage! It just reeked of boiling fuel odors. Turned on the fan and raised the garage door a foot. Took about an hour to clear the air.
Did the same thing on Sunday but no odors emitted.
Did the same thing on Monday no orders emitted. Tank is showing half capacity now.
Tuesday took a short three miler to the dealership to meet a friend from AL, went to lunch another two mile trip after lunch retraced the route and when I turned the Spyder off the gas odors were excessive..
Needless to say I was really discouraged by it all. Plan on going to the dealership in a bit if it does not rain in the meantime.
I went out on Sat. For about 60 mile ride average temperature was in the low seventies came he pulled in the garage, went through a short idle period, while I set the PB and killed it with the key switch. No immediate odors present. Anne came in and said, you need to smell the garage! It just reeked of boiling fuel odors. Turned on the fan and raised the garage door a foot. Took about an hour to clear the air.
Did the same thing on Sunday but no odors emitted.
Did the same thing on Monday no orders emitted. Tank is showing half capacity now.
Tuesday took a short three miler to the dealership to meet a friend from AL, went to lunch another two mile trip after lunch retraced the route and when I turned the Spyder off the gas odors were excessive..
Needless to say I was really discouraged by it all. Plan on going to the dealership in a bit if it does not rain in the meantime.
Bob Denman
New member
:shocked: There is nothing more frustrating, than a problem that rears it's head "intermittently". :gaah:
The purge valve is sticking once in a while?? :dontknow:
Make sure that they're aware that it's not doing it all of the time... Good Luck! :thumbup:
The purge valve is sticking once in a while?? :dontknow:
Make sure that they're aware that it's not doing it all of the time... Good Luck! :thumbup:
Bob Ledford
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Bob Ledford
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Back in the shop
It went back in the shop this afternoon for a canister MRI!!!!! :bdh:
It went back in the shop this afternoon for a canister MRI!!!!! :bdh:
Grandpa Pete
New member
Gas Cap
Well. I received the new gas cap a couple of days ago, so, they have founf their way to the Great White North ( well central minnesota).. to cold to try it out. Next week might be in the 30's, I'll try then..
Well. I received the new gas cap a couple of days ago, so, they have founf their way to the Great White North ( well central minnesota).. to cold to try it out. Next week might be in the 30's, I'll try then..
cjackg
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GadgetGuy442
New member
Just got the gas cap for my 2010 RTS... My last name starts with an "S" so I'd figured I would hear others received theirs before I got mine.
Am happy to say I have never had a gas smell with our machine, but will make the swap and toss out the old cap anyway. Don't want to wait for trouble to come knocking on my door.
Just waiting for Spring and warmer weather now......
Bill
PS... I used to be an engineer in the powertrain activity with an auto company. Had carburetor (remember them?) and emission system responsibilities (canisters, purge valves, purge solenoids, etc.). A couple of comments I'll make are that the evaporative emission system, when engineered properly, should work with no noticeable odors at all. If there's odor noted, that should be checked and fixed. Because the fuel system is designed to vent to a canister, and then purge the canister while driving, any canisterectomy makes me feel a little nervous. The total fuel handling system is designed in a way that relies on the safe capture of the vapor, and to simply avert that part of it is pretty risky in my humble opinion. If you smell fumes, insist on getting the technical expertise your dealer needs to fix it.
Trust your nose!
One other thought - depending on where the purge port is located in the throttle body (relative to the position of the throttle plate), the rate of purge will depend on engine speed and throttle position. I honestly don't know how the engineers have set up the Spyder, but higher purge rates generally occur when the throttle is in a more closed position, thus creating more engine vacuum to the purge port. My personal driving style is one where I shift early and generally keep my engine rpms down, and I've never noticed any fuel vapor smell. Am not suggesting there's cause and effect going on here, just making an observation.
Am happy to say I have never had a gas smell with our machine, but will make the swap and toss out the old cap anyway. Don't want to wait for trouble to come knocking on my door.
Just waiting for Spring and warmer weather now......
Bill
PS... I used to be an engineer in the powertrain activity with an auto company. Had carburetor (remember them?) and emission system responsibilities (canisters, purge valves, purge solenoids, etc.). A couple of comments I'll make are that the evaporative emission system, when engineered properly, should work with no noticeable odors at all. If there's odor noted, that should be checked and fixed. Because the fuel system is designed to vent to a canister, and then purge the canister while driving, any canisterectomy makes me feel a little nervous. The total fuel handling system is designed in a way that relies on the safe capture of the vapor, and to simply avert that part of it is pretty risky in my humble opinion. If you smell fumes, insist on getting the technical expertise your dealer needs to fix it.
Trust your nose!
One other thought - depending on where the purge port is located in the throttle body (relative to the position of the throttle plate), the rate of purge will depend on engine speed and throttle position. I honestly don't know how the engineers have set up the Spyder, but higher purge rates generally occur when the throttle is in a more closed position, thus creating more engine vacuum to the purge port. My personal driving style is one where I shift early and generally keep my engine rpms down, and I've never noticed any fuel vapor smell. Am not suggesting there's cause and effect going on here, just making an observation.
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Bob Ledford
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The final (???) word from BRP
I now have the “straight skinny” on the raw gas smell emitted by the Spyder’s of the world. BRP”s CSR for dealers told the dealer to first check the charcoal canister for having raw gasoline in it. They took my Spyder a 2011 RT-L and denuded it of its outer skin and inspected the canister looking for a liquid drip. They pressure tested the system for leaks and found.every connection to be gas tight.
Here is what the BRP CSR desk had to say. If the canister is dry the system is workng as designed to work. The theory of operation is that when you get done riding your supposed to park your Spyder in a well ventilated area to let it cool down and the recovery system to do its thing. Then you bring it inside.
The new replacement cap has a higher vent pressure valve in it. That must be so the vapors in the tank push the vapors through the canister unit it cools down not allowing them, the fuel hydrocarbons, to escape into the atmosphere like the old cap did. Supposedly if the canister size were increased to handle everything it would have to be made big enough to fill the “frunk!”
Guess it is time to buy a Spyder cooler, a36 inch box fan, for the garage! Then I will have the only Spyder in the USA that has its own fan to stay cool with. At least until I stumble on a cure. The “mad scientist/engineer rides again!”
2013.02.09
I now have the “straight skinny” on the raw gas smell emitted by the Spyder’s of the world. BRP”s CSR for dealers told the dealer to first check the charcoal canister for having raw gasoline in it. They took my Spyder a 2011 RT-L and denuded it of its outer skin and inspected the canister looking for a liquid drip. They pressure tested the system for leaks and found.every connection to be gas tight.
Here is what the BRP CSR desk had to say. If the canister is dry the system is workng as designed to work. The theory of operation is that when you get done riding your supposed to park your Spyder in a well ventilated area to let it cool down and the recovery system to do its thing. Then you bring it inside.
The new replacement cap has a higher vent pressure valve in it. That must be so the vapors in the tank push the vapors through the canister unit it cools down not allowing them, the fuel hydrocarbons, to escape into the atmosphere like the old cap did. Supposedly if the canister size were increased to handle everything it would have to be made big enough to fill the “frunk!”
Guess it is time to buy a Spyder cooler, a36 inch box fan, for the garage! Then I will have the only Spyder in the USA that has its own fan to stay cool with. At least until I stumble on a cure. The “mad scientist/engineer rides again!”
2013.02.09
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