New mapping for 2013 spyders

[Bob Denman]

He's just ahead of his time... :thumbup:

 

[Polish Eagle]

Mine is a RT-S SE5, build date Feb. 2013. The dealer says my VIN doesn't need the ECM update either ??? He did order the parts to do the fuse box repair. It would be interesting to see what is going on.

I haven't had any bothersome heat issues to this point, keeping in mind I'm straddling a 2 cyl. internal combustion engine & exhaust system.

 

[3 Wheel Addict]

Only thing I can say is if your dealer says you don't need the ECM update, get them to give you a current BUDS report on your bike and compare the number I have listed above. The bulletin clearly states that if any other number is listed then they have to do the update again. (they also have to make sure that their BUDS system is up to date! This may be the problem? Version 3.5.1 is required)

 

[Magdave]

Only thing I can say is if your dealer says you don't need the ECM update, get them to give you a current BUDS report on your bike and compare the number I have listed above. The bulletin clearly states that if any other number is listed then they have to do the update again. (they also have to make sure that their BUDS system is up to date! This may be the problem? Version 3.5.1 is required)

:agree: And call BRP with your VIN to double check.

 

[FiFi]

Had the mapping, fusebox updates done this week on the wife's bike. It only has 2500 miles on it and I just drove it home for her after the work was done, but didn't notice any immediate difference as I don't ride it often enough to tell. Maybe she can tell when she rides it tomorrow for the first time. But I did notice a couple of things I have to call the dealer back about that people may want to watch out for. There is condensation on the inside of the temp gauge that isn't going away. And there is some liquid that ran down the inside of the plastic over the main instrument panel. So I assume the dealer had to take apart the dashboard to get to whatever they did. It's only 2 or 3 runs of something that has dried but I don't like seeing it there. Probably won't make any difference. It looks like there's only 4 or 6 screws and the dashboard cover comes off. So I may try to take it off and see if I can easily clean it up. Can't imagine the temp gauge being exposed when the dash cover comes off, but who knows with these bikes. And I think I posted before that the service manager said the mapping update will not effect, cure or remedy the heat problems, it will only help with a stalling from a dead stop issue, which she never had anyway.

 

[Magdave]

Had the mapping, fusebox updates done this week on the wife's bike. It only has 2500 miles on it and I just drove it home for her after the work was done, but didn't notice any immediate difference as I don't ride it often enough to tell. Maybe she can tell when she rides it tomorrow for the first time. But I did notice a couple of things I have to call the dealer back about that people may want to watch out for. There is condensation on the inside of the temp gauge that isn't going away. And there is some liquid that ran down the inside of the plastic over the main instrument panel. So I assume the dealer had to take apart the dashboard to get to whatever they did. It's only 2 or 3 runs of something that has dried but I don't like seeing it there. Probably won't make any difference. It looks like there's only 4 or 6 screws and the dashboard cover comes off. So I may try to take it off and see if I can easily clean it up. Can't imagine the temp gauge being exposed when the dash cover comes off, but who knows with these bikes. And I think I posted before that the service manager said the mapping update will not effect, cure or remedy the heat problems, it will only help with a stalling from a dead stop issue, which she never had anyway.

Mine was delivered like that. It was replaced under warranty. You are right if it is an RT it is easy to pull even RTS and LTD are easy enough just be careful with the plugs on the outside gauges. Try sitting it in the sun to get any condensation out but the run on the center display is not condensation it is gooey and may need to be replaced.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

My understanding

I was told by my service manager that the update was merely to fix an error. Some bikes after shutdowns and restart would show a high heat message, Even when the bike was not excessively hot. This happened to me twice in relatively cool condition, and the bike had been running at normal engine temps. I got off the bike took the key out walked away, came back and drove off no problem. The campaign was to force the ECM to, in none wrench terms, ignore that code and go on and let the bike start normally. Nothing to fix heat, only clear errors.

 

[Magdave]

I was told by my service manager that the update was merely to fix an error. Some bikes after shutdowns and restart would show a high heat message, Even when the bike was not excessively hot. This happened to me twice in relatively cool condition, and the bike had been running at normal engine temps. I got off the bike took the key out walked away, came back and drove off no problem. The campaign was to force the ECM to, in none wrench terms, ignore that code and go on and let the bike start normally. Nothing to fix heat, only clear errors.

Did you bother reading the bulletin? I posted it above maybe your service manager should read it? The code 1614 never stopped the bike from starting either. I had it pop a few times and it would go away.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Respectfully

Dave, My service manager knows VOLUMES more than you and is HIGHLY respected, many others on this board know him as well and will attest to his expertise, and the fact that he is an advocate for his customers when they have real issues with their machines. I am pretty sure that your outlook would improve if you just stepped away from the computer, put your GUNS down, and go for an incredible ryde in the countryside,enjoy all of the positives of that beautiful machine of yours. You will be happier, and so will we.

 

[Gray Ghost]

From the bulletin:
Problem
B - Update ECM software
Code P1614 may be triggered and cause a limp home mode when starting the engine.

The indicator lamp and message HI TEMP may appear at engine startup, even if unit is at normal operating temperature.

Engine heat felt by the driver may be uncomfortable.

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Solution
B - Update ECM with latest software
Update ECM with latest software to correct the outlined problems.

Note: Updating the software may slightly improve riders comfort from heat in some riding conditions. The portion of the software that addresses uncomfortable heat felt by the drive is applicable to non-CARB vehicles only.

(CARB - California Air Resources Board)

So for some of us at least, the update was, at least partially, to address the heat issue.

 

[Magdave]

From the bulletin:
Problem
B - Update ECM software
Code P1614 may be triggered and cause a limp home mode when starting the engine.

The indicator lamp and message HI TEMP may appear at engine startup, even if unit is at normal operating temperature.

Engine heat felt by the driver may be uncomfortable.

--------------------------------
Solution
B - Update ECM with latest software
Update ECM with latest software to correct the outlined problems.

Note: Updating the software may slightly improve riders comfort from heat in some riding conditions. The portion of the software that addresses uncomfortable heat felt by the drive is applicable to non-CARB vehicles only.

(CARB - California Air Resources Board)

So for some of us at least, the update was, at least partially, to address the heat issue.

I may not know everything but I do know something. :thumbup:Maybe CA does not get the update because of CARB?

 

[Jeriatric]

California

Dave, Ca update :dontknow:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...13-9-ECM-Update-2013-RT-Test-Results-amp-Data

Maybe CA does not get the update because of CARB?

 

[Magdave]

Dave, Ca update :dontknow:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...13-9-ECM-Update-2013-RT-Test-Results-amp-Data

I read that Bear, thanks. That was a strange update though my 100 mi ride home was different but it was in 50deg weather gonna try today in the 70's and see what happens. :thumbup:

 

[Magdave]

It would be nice if BRPcares came in and cleared up the confusion with this update. It would be helpful :thumbup:

 

[Magdave]

Here is my ride update. First remember my mods I have DEI heat tape on tank and extra BRP insulation around the plastic gas cap & under glovebox area.
I took 2 roads one north one south. Wind from south. Going north ambient read 82-84 going south 78-79. Speed was 55-65 and 10 min in town.
Average speed=35mph
Mileage =71mi.
Digital coolant temp on road=4bars
In town =5bars
temp at stop for refill
Gas Cap = 105deg
Spine= 92deg
Glovebox area=92
Metal foot peg area L side=110deg
Metal foot peg area R side=116deg
Plastic above both foot peg areas 92deg
All measurements done with 3 minutes after stopping at gas refill

MPG 71mi /2.25gal =31.5mpg. I have never seen much above 25mpg average before ECM update and a lot higher temp measurements. Should be interesting to see what happens when we get to 90deg.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Dave, Ca update :dontknow:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...13-9-ECM-Update-2013-RT-Test-Results-amp-Data

Guess that shows, you don't know what you think you know Dave:roflblack:

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Here is my ride update. First remember my mods I have DEI heat tape on tank and extra BRP insulation around the plastic gas cap & under glovebox area.
I took 2 roads one north one south. Wind from south. Going north ambient read 82-84 going south 78-79. Speed was 55-65 and 10 min in town.
Average speed=35mph
Mileage =71mi.
Digital coolant temp on road=4bars
In town =5bars
temp at stop for refill
Gas Cap = 105deg
Spine= 92deg
Glovebox area=92
Metal foot peg area L side=110deg
Metal foot peg area R side=116deg
Plastic above both foot peg areas 92deg
All measurements done with 3 minutes after stopping at gas refill

MPG 71mi /2.25gal =31.5mpg. I have never seen much above 25mpg average before ECM update and a lot higher temp measurements. Should be interesting to see what happens when we get to 90deg.

Fascinating! At what temperature is the Turkey done and how long should we let it rest? Before Carving!

 

[Magdave]

Guess that shows, you don't know what you think you know Dave:roflblack:

I already knew Cali was getting the update. I was trying to give you and your dealer a chance to save face and admit the bulletin does say

"B - Update ECM with latest software
Update ECM with latest software to correct the outlined problems.

Note: Updating the software may slightly improve riders comfort from heat in some riding conditions"

Guess you didn't get the hint :dontknow:

 

[Mets79ST2013]

I pick my bike yesterday, with the new mapping I notice the RPM is running higher than before, regarding the heat I need to ride when is over 85 to give you a better feedback, but I will be riding Saturday again, will post my feedback after that, have a great and safe weekend......:yes::yes::yes:

 

[DrewNJ]

I pick my bike yesterday, with the new mapping I notice the RPM is running higher than before, regarding the heat I need to ride when is over 85 to give you a better feedback, but I will be riding Saturday again, will post my feedback after that, have a great and safe weekend......:yes::yes::yes:

Higher idle?