New England Can am dealers just don't seem to want to sell this product :(

[vtrider]

I never had any issues with my local dealer in Essex Jct. Vermont. If I wasn't happy with something, I just talked to them about it and they would treat me right. I bought several snowmobiles, motorcycles, an ATV and my two spyders from them. I've always negotiated prices on everything and it's been fair for me and the dealership. I know most of the people that work there and the owner is a real nice guy. They always greet me by my first name when I walk into the dealer showroom. But like all dealers, you can never please everyone. For now I have no reason to travel too far for my service. Both of my spyders that I've owned have been great and I can attest that to the proper service that the dealership has given me.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

THAT DEALER

I never had any issues with my local dealer in Essex Jct. Vermont. If I wasn't happy with something, I just talked to them about it and they would treat me right. I bought several snowmobiles, motorcycles, an ATV and my two spyders from them. I've always negotiated prices on everything and it's been fair for me and the dealership. I know most of the people that work there and the owner is a real nice guy. They always greet me by my first name when I walk into the dealer showroom. But like all dealers, you can never please everyone. For now I have no reason to travel too far for my service. Both of my spyders that I've owned have been great and I can attest that to the proper service that the dealership has given me.

:congrats:.....I'm very glad for you Adrienne, if you have a dealer that is close to you and treats you right that's a wonderful thing. However my experience was far different. I caught them committing FRAUD and they knew I had them " by the short hairs " so to speak......After that things went " DOWNHILL " fast. Would I believe them if they told me " sure we did the valves "....look at the Bill ...$ 650 ......doesn't that prove it :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:.................Good Luck with them , Mike :thumbup:

 

[StanProff]

I'll stir the pot.

I may be in the minority on the subject of bypassing dealers to try and save a few hundred dollars. I totally understand a dealer taking care of customers who purchase from them ahead of those who bypass them a few hundred miles thinking they are saving a thousand dollars or so. Let's face it, dealers are all working under the same factory pricing guidelines. Dealers will take care of their customers (meaning those who purchase from them) before those who went around them to another dealer and this is as it should be. You will get your service but simply go to the back of the line. Your option is to drive the 2 or 3 hundred miles or so, where you purchased from, cause of the great deal you thought you got. That's my thoughts on it anyway. Of course the service dept. ability could override the reason for traveling to purchase. A lot of people seem to think that dealers do not need to make money. They have no concept of what it takes to maintain a dealership. along with the overhead,to keep the doors open. An owner has to pay the rent and utilities, computers, inventory, and above all is supporting his employees and their family. Well, this is getting too long, I don't need to get on a soap box. I have experienced the up's and downs of business and understand the other side. Happy shopping.

 

[ARtraveler]

Been buying selling cars for decades and IMHO....this is probably written in stone somewhere :gaah:......In the auto / truck / motorcycle sales business you won't get a DEAL on both ends if there is a trade involved ..............Not gonna happen , the Dealer feels they are doing you a favor, and He now has to sell another vehicle.................If you really want to get the BEST price ....sell your vehicle privately, then go into the dealership with nothing for THEM to bargain " against you with " ( and this is exactly what they do , NO BS )..........Good Luck on your next Deal...:clap:.:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:.......................................Mikeguyver :thumbup:

A factor that a lot of people don't consider. A trade just makes for another one of those "cloudy" bargaining points. Take a little more off the new and a little less given for the trade--or visa versa. End result, you did not really "get a deal."

 

[Illinois Boy]

Where I live, you pay state sales tax on the difference between the trade-in value and the final sale price.

No trade-in and you are paying sales tax on the entire sales price.

With my last vehicle purchase it was worth it to trade-in the old vehicle than to sell it outright.

There was a break-even point, of course, when you do not come out ahead; but when I considered the hassles of selling, ads, and the trade-in offer -- I came out ahead trading-in my old vehicle when considering the tax savings.

Just something to consider if the same holds true in your state.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

IN VERMONT

Where I live, you pay state sales tax on the difference between the trade-in value and the final sale price.

No trade-in and you are paying sales tax on the entire sales price.

With my last vehicle purchase it was worth it to trade-in the old vehicle than to sell it outright.

There was a break-even point, of course, when you do not come out ahead; but when I considered the hassles of selling, ads, and the trade-in offer -- I came out ahead trading-in my old vehicle when considering the tax savings.

Just something to consider if the same holds true in your state.[/QUOTE.......​Well we are luckier here, whether you trade or sell privately you can get the Tax credit ............................Mikeguyver :thumbup:

 

[DrewNJ]

I may be in the minority on the subject of bypassing dealers to try and save a few hundred dollars. I totally understand a dealer taking care of customers who purchase from them ahead of those who bypass them a few hundred miles thinking they are saving a thousand dollars or so. Let's face it, dealers are all working under the same factory pricing guidelines. Dealers will take care of their customers (meaning those who purchase from them) before those who went around them to another dealer and this is as it should be. You will get your service but simply go to the back of the line. Your option is to drive the 2 or 3 hundred miles or so, where you purchased from, cause of the great deal you thought you got. That's my thoughts on it anyway. Of course the service dept. ability could override the reason for traveling to purchase. A lot of people seem to think that dealers do not need to make money. They have no concept of what it takes to maintain a dealership. along with the overhead,to keep the doors open. An owner has to pay the rent and utilities, computers, inventory, and above all is supporting his employees and their family. Well, this is getting too long, I don't need to get on a soap box. I have experienced the up's and downs of business and understand the other side. Happy shopping.

I agree 100% on this.
I wonder how many of those that come on here and complain about slow dealer service/repairs, are the same people that "traveled" to get a good deal on the purchase of their machine?

 

[oldgoat]

Where I live, you pay state sales tax on the difference between the trade-in value and the final sale price.

No trade-in and you are paying sales tax on the entire sales price.

With my last vehicle purchase it was worth it to trade-in the old vehicle than to sell it outright.

There was a break-even point, of course, when you do not come out ahead; but when I considered the hassles of selling, ads, and the trade-in offer -- I came out ahead trading-in my old vehicle when considering the tax savings.

Just something to consider if the same holds true in your state.

That is exactly the case up here. It avoids the hassle of selling privately. Just be aware of the break-even point. There is also no comeback from a disgruntled purchaser.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

OR THIS

I agree 100% on this.
I wonder how many of those that come on here and complain about slow dealer service/repairs, are the same people that "traveled" to get a good deal on the purchase of their machine?

I also wonder how many of those that come on here and complain about slow / poor dealer service are the same people who SAID " buy it from your local dealer because they will give you the best service ".......Mikeguyver................ opcorn: On a totally different note:........take your pick ( sort of vote your opinion ).....What do think the PROFIT a lot of dealer's are making on a new Spyder ......A) 4000 +.....B) 3000 +......C ) 2000 +..... D) 1000 + .....E) 500 +

 

[Bob Denman]

Mike,
I'm not sure why you seem so against allowing a dealer to make money? Would you drive to Canada to get your next Spyder, if all of the dealers went bankrupt?
The difference between what they PAY for a bike; and what they SELL it for... is not all profit! :gaah: Fixed and variable costs to operate a business will eat up most of the difference in about a second.. :yikes:
(Trust me; I know! :banghead

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

PROFITS

Mike,
I'm not sure why you seem so against allowing a dealer to make money? Would you drive to Canada to get your next Spyder, if all of the dealers went bankrupt?
The difference between what they PAY for a bike; and what they SELL it for... is not all profit! :gaah: Fixed and variable costs to operate a business will eat up most of the difference in about a second.. :yikes:
(Trust me; I know! :banghead

.............Bob, I am a absolute capitalist....I believe that is what made America the country it once was .....However I don't believe in " obscene " profits .......Here's a question for you, do you think the PROFIT MARGIN is reasonable at 25 to 30 %.....? ? ?

 

[Illinois Boy]

.............Bob, I am a absolute capitalist....I believe that is what made America the country it once was .....However I don't believe in " obscene " profits .......Here's a question for you, do you think the PROFIT MARGIN is reasonable at 25 to 30 %.....? ? ?

If only it were that easy to just simply state profit in a flat dollar amount. You seem to be forgetting quite a bit -- time value of money comes to mind.

Besides... I am not in favor of anyone telling anyone else what they should or should not make in profit. Geez... Maybe we should have a discussion on what people think your pension should be.

 

[MRH]

From experience I can say that many dealers are simply happy to have your ongoing service business no matter where the initial purchase was made. That said, any dealer who would screw with you for not purchasing there would likely screw with you no matter where you bought it. I'm not saying that they may not give a preference to standing clients, but they still ought to treat you fairly.

I also believe that walking into a dealership that has what you want with the funds to make a purchase is a far stronger negating position than making a phone call. It's harder for the dealer to walk away from a real sale than it is for them to say that they'll stand by your initial price speaking to a stranger on the phone.

In addition, every market is different, and there simply may be too few Spyders available in the class you want in your specific area. If they can sell the Spyder at MSRP and they haven't sold enough of the other models to get more stock, then they are going to make their profit where they can - just as you will maximize your funds by purchasing at the lowest price you can find.

Be sure to let us know how this all plays out.

 

[Magdave]

I agree 100% on this.
I wonder how many of those that come on here and complain about slow dealer service/repairs, are the same people that "traveled" to get a good deal on the purchase of their machine?

How about those of us 2013 owners who got hosed on our trade in, did not get a good deal and the Service Dept has a revolving door of unqualified people? I won't even mention BRP dumping them for 20% off 2 months after I bought mine totally devaluing it. I bought it 15min from my house still not sure if I regret it. If I had a competent Service Dept I would be a lot more happy.:dontknow: I travel 2hrs to get anything done and never got hosed or treated badly there. 2hrs is a long way if it is dead though.

 

[Bob Denman]

.............Bob, I am a absolute capitalist....I believe that is what made America the country it once was .....However I don't believe in " obscene " profits .......Here's a question for you, do you think the PROFIT MARGIN is reasonable at 25 to 30 %.....? ? ?

:lecturef_smilie: Show me that your numbers are accurate...
If a Dealer can make 10 large, on the sale of an RT Limited right now; I'm in the wrong business!

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

PEMSIONS

:thumbup:

 

[Illinois Boy]

If only it were that easy to just simply state profit in a flat dollar amount. You seem to be forgetting quite a bit -- time value of money comes to mind.

Besides... I am not in favor of anyone telling anyone else what they should or should not make in profit. Geez... Maybe we should have a discussion on what people think your pension should be.[/QUOT..........:agree:......:dontknow::dontknow::lecturef_smilie:....Maybe we should .....mine is $18,400 per year:gaah: :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:.....that's for putting my A** and life on the line for 35 years , at least I'm willing to answer questions instead unlike you....! ! !.....Are you afraid to know what their PROFIT MARGIN IS ? ? ?................................Mikeguyver :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Don't be an ass. I said I do not care what anyone makes off of anything. No one should be able to tell another what they can or cannot make. You seem to be hell-bent on making an issue out of your nonsensical logic.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I APOLOGIZE

Don't be an ass. I said I do not care what anyone makes off of anything. No one should be able to tell another what they can or cannot make. You seem to be hell-bent on making an issue out of your nonsensical logic.

.....................................I did not mean to refer to your POST it was meant for Bob D. SORRY .....I'll correct it .......M................................PS don't refer to me as an AS*

 

[DrewNJ]

How about those of us 2013 owners who got hosed on our trade in, did not get a good deal and the Service Dept has a revolving door of unqualified people? I won't even mention BRP dumping them for 20% off 2 months after I bought mine totally devaluing it. I bought it 15min from my house still not sure if I regret it. If I had a competent Service Dept I would be a lot more happy.:dontknow: I travel 2hrs to get anything done and never got hosed or treated badly there. 2hrs is a long way if it is dead though.

You truly got screwed...and that sucks for sure. Closest isn't always the best. It is a trade off for sure. However, buying at one dealer to save a buck and expecting A+ service at another can be sketchy.

A good dealer is going to take care of the customers that support them.
The dealer I use isn't the closest dealer to me. However, they have proven to the peeps I ride with to be the very best. This is why it is the dealer I choose to support....even if it does cost me a bit more, or take longer to drive there.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

10 LARGE

:lecturef_smilie: Show me that your numbers are accurate...
If a Dealer can make 10 large, on the sale of an RT Limited right now; I'm in the wrong business!

:congrats:.....Bob , even if I showed it to you on paper you would DENY IT................You know what I paid for mine and the Dealer still made over $ 500 profit.....And Yes I bought a Basic RT, but the numbers get further apart the more the M.S.R.P. is.........................Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: Mikeguyver :thumbup: