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New Elka Shocks - Installation

Brian Kay

New member
Late last night, Fed-Ex surprised me with a signature required delivery of my Elka Shocks. Hmmmmm, do I start on the install at 7:45 pm after an already long day or do I wait? Georgia Bill and I texted a few times shortly afterwards and he wanted to see how hard the disassembly and install may be. So I opted to try the install at 7:30 Sunday morning, and invited him over to help out. Now, Sunday morning and after a hot cup of coffee and some PB & Crackers, I prepped for my friend to visit and for some tools to be thrown around. Already at 7:30 am the temperature was in the 80's and humidity up to 85%, needless to say it was a brutal morning to be out in the garage. BUT, when's it's Christmas in July, I am happy doing these types of things.

The install is always easier after you complete the job, and realize if you just remembered a few things it would be done quick. NO tupperware removed, and simply put it's two bolts on either side that are loosened and removed to get the shocks off and new ones installed.

1.) Loosen the bottom nylock nut and leave the bolt in place, then repeat by loosening the nut off the top bolt. You should be holding two nylock nuts with the bolts remaining.
2.) While using your helper, have him raise up the front end of the sypder with your car/motorcycle jack by placing it under the front end as far back towards the A-frame as you can get....mine was in line with the center of the wheels, center of the spyder (side to side).
3.) Now, while he is raising up the front end, you will see the compression on the shock start to lessen and if you hold onto the lower bolt, you can wiggle it while it's being lifted and you can find that sweet spot where the bolt is free to move.
4.) Simply remove the bolt from the lower bracket. Then you can easily remove the top bolt as well by lightly lifting the shock and taking the pressure off the upper bolt...I had to use the lower bolt and push the top one through because my hands are big and couldn't fit easily up in the available cavity to grab and remove the bolt.
5.) Now, if you raise up the front end more, you can get enough separation between the shock and bracket to be able to slide it out and away from the frame. Keep adjusting the height of the jack while trying to remove the shock from the support bracket, it does take a little time to again find the sweet spot to free it up from the bracket...You then carefully twist and turn the shock out of the A-Frame. Easy peezy.
6.) Leave the Spyder as is, related to front end being lifted, and put in the new Elka Shock in...again being mindful and careful not to bang up the frame or shock.
7.) Lower the front end and begin to slowly raise it up again until the holes and bracket line up for the bolts to be inserted by no more than the pressure from your fingers. Now, I say to lower it and raise it up again, because my jack doesn't allow me to slowly lower...it goes kind of fast. Makes me nervous every time because it's a sudden release and it's down, lol.
8.) Now you simply just have to put the nuts back on, tighten up and snug them up as best you can. The upper bolt and nut is a pain, because of the small confined space, but normal tools will get you to the finish line....just have to be patient with the amount of space you have to work with (unless you have small hands) and tighten in 1/4 turns. You will eventually get there and have them tightened.
9.) Lower the front end completely, remove the jack and you're done!

This job should not take any longer than 30-minutes...but it did for me, because I was not quick enough to realize that the lowering and raising of the jack was the most important part of the install...finding that sweet spot for the insertion of the shock and the insertion of the bolt. Hope this helps someone else in the future. The PitBull guys do a good job describing the install on the F3, and I don't think it was really any different on the RT except probably for the space I had to work with on the top side. If I only remembered what Len said about the jack positions, I would have saved some time for sure.

Performance wise, I didn't see that big of a change from the OEM shocks, except when going over a bump or during a quick swerve....I'll be on the look out for more advantages, but for now I'm happy. By the way, I have them rated for 250-270 lbs and recreational riding.
 
Curious if you did a before and after measurement at the point of the lower lip of the frunk to the ground. No, and I meant to do so (damn, damn, damn). It does seem a tad bit higher just based on the clearance above the jack upon removal.

Prior to installing out Fox Shox Podiums, I took an unladen ride height dimension. Marking a piece of masking tape with the dimension and stuck it to the floor as a reference point to check the final ride height in the same location in case my concrete garage floor was not dead flat. Wish I did that to also check.

Installing the Fox Shox with the preload collar set as delivered raised the front of the Spyder 10mm at the frunks on the lower lip. Mine were delivered with a preload collar set for a big guy 250-270lbs, so I would imagine that the front end is lifted up.

The Can Am install instructions did offer some advice on setting ride height, but I left it as it was delivered. I'm happy with the ride height and quite honestly like the fact that I have possibly improved my chances of not bottoming out in driveway/street transitions.

The thing to consider in all of this, the change to raise the front end was small at 10mm or about 3/8". Most likely the same for me.

The performance and ride was much improved for us over stock. The one thing I didn't mention, which I should have, was the fact that I felt like I was floating and not feeling every bump and the ride felt more comfortable.

Now the big thing to consider, the Spyder front suspension and steering is very basic and prone to a large amount of bump steer. When I checked the front end alignment after installing the Fox Shox, the dimension had changed from 1/16" toe in to, if I remember correct over 3/8". The handling was fine, but the tire scrub was excessive. I'm going to have the front end laser aligned by Extreme Propulsion (Rolo System)...was waiting to have the shocks added before I did that. Hopefully this will correct any scrub, if present...but at one time today, I set the cruise control on 55mph +/- and let go of the handlebars. Much to my surprise and liking, it felt like it was tracking really good and straight. To be honest, I have no way of measuring or checking any of this.

I reset the toe in to 1/16" and this freed up the chassis and steering. With the Fox Shox I found the 21PSI in the tires was not adequate and as a total setup of the Yokohama S.Drive rear tire, BajaRon swaybar, and Fox Shox, I could feel the front Kenda tires rolling under the rims in some corners. So I now have the Elkas, BR Swaybar, Kumho Ecsta AST rear tire, and I have always felt the front tires wanting to roll over. I also have some scrubbing on the front tires, outer edges like I'm running too little pressure (18.4 psi last measured). I was going to increase the pressure to 20psi in the Kendas before the laser alignment. I remember getting the machine back after my 3000 mile service and they telling me that the tires were over-inflated and needed to be around 14-15 psi???

Our current setup is 1/16" toe in, the Yokohama rear, Fox Shox, BajaRon Swaybar, and as of last night, I am now running 25psi in all three tires. Nice, I may be joining you with those numbers...let's see what the BRP platinum level mechanics at Extreme Propulsion in Cartersville, GA say with me going in with 20psi in the front and 28psi for the rear.

All the best with it, and how did your belt adjustment and Bills end up, hopefully spot on and easy to obtain...So, I explained to Bill that the mechanic at Mountain Motor Sports in Kennesaw GA delivered my spyder back to me, after they installed the rear tire, with the belt on the far outer edge of the sprocket. I was not happy, so in about 5 minutes he came back with the belt moved to the center. Honestly, he must have made the adjustments without loosening the 36mm nut...just using the adjustment bolt. It was flippin crazy how fast he did it and it hasn't moved since. Bill and I made a similar adjustment while at his house to see if we could get it further over, but couldn't repeat the move. Honestly, I think you responded to me with my other post that it seemed fine, and within spec. I am just going to leave it or ask Extreme Propulsion to make sure my rear tire is good and correct before doing the front end alignment. I think it's worth mentioning that my belt tension was around 220lbs with the tire on the ground...Bill and I both measured with our separate Krickits, the same thing within 10 lbs. That seemed high, but again that is what MMM delivered to me so I'm rolling with it.

See above for my simple minded, and inferior responses...I'm no expert at any of this stuff. Typical weekend handyman who likes to tinker around and sometimes get into trouble with this stuff!!! All in all, I'm happy with everything so far and honestly loving the ride. But I need to stop spending money, I'm a little out of control lately lol.:banghead:
 
Nice Elka Report

Nice Elka Report, Brian. Like you I'm ready to stop spending money for a while.

Paul, I'm either on the flange or too far away from the flange to be comfortable. I'm making micro adjustments back and forth between the flange and almost to the edge.

Each time I'm raising the rear tire, loosening the nut, making a slight adjustment, tapping the nut and adjuster forward, tightening the bolt, lowering the tire, and riding 4 miles. I stay on the flange or too far off it.

-Bill
 
Thanks for the write-up! :thumbup:
...And for the caveat about front suspension geometry changes.

BRP has specifications as to what the shock length is supposed to be when loaded, and preload is supposed to be adjusted so the front end geometry sits right. This is not guess and miss, this is an actual Spyder specification on how much preload should be dialed in to achieve the specified shock length, thus the a-arms and tire sit properly. I think I posted this before, but here we go -
"The importance of properly adjusting the shock preload is to set the vehicle at a ride height at which the vehicle was designed to operate. Alignment values are determined at precise ride height values. Ride height is also the position at which the alignment is the most stable and less influenced by bump steer.
In order to properly adjust the vehicle’s ride height, have the customer sit on the unit and add approximately what the customer loads in the front cargo bin. Measure the distance between the front shock bolt centers. Adjust the preload in order to reach the desired value in the ride height chart. Remember to lift the vehicle to adjust the shock cams or rings in order to avoid damage to these components.
Preload does not influence stiffness nor softness of the ride, it only adjusts the ride height."


Model Year Model Distance (± 2 mm, 0.08 in)
2008 - 2012 GS/RS 428 mm (16.850 in)
2010 - 2012 RT 428 mm (16.850 in)
2013 - 2014 RS/ST 420 mm (16.50 in)
2013 - 2014 RT 445 mm (17.50 in)
 
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