new 250cc spyder knock off

[SpyderKev]

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I would buy it. with a 250cc and the stability of a 3 wheeler, is way safer than getting a scooter...

most of you are missing the point. A lot of people dont have the resources to buy a spyder, this is an alternate choice for them to have fun just like a spyder owner...
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I disagree, I would say a scooter is way safer than a poorly engineered 3 wheeler any day. With a 3 wheeler you're depending on the vehicle to stay flat as you TURN through a corner with the bars. The primary control you have in this case is countering the turn and front end traction with your body weight and your control of speed. If the front end is too narrow for the center of gravity/speed it's going to throw you high side. My experience with 48" sport quads on asphault is that at 48", even if you hang your body way over the other side, you're going to have to slow down a lot to corner even mildly sharp corners. I modified my race quads to widen them to 50" and lowered them with suspension valving, etc and this helped a bunch on dirt. Without getting into it, the physics of a scooter/motorcycle are obviously completly different.

As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.

 

[bone crusher]

I disagree, I would say a scooter is way safer than a poorly engineered 3 wheeler any day. With a 3 wheeler you're depending on the vehicle to stay flat as you TURN through a corner with the bars. The primary control you have in this case is countering the turn and front end traction with your body weight and your control of speed. If the front end is too narrow for the center of gravity/speed it's going to throw you high side. My experience with 48" sport quads on asphault is that at 48", even if you hang your body way over the other side, you're going to have to slow down a lot to corner even mildly sharp corners. I modified my race quads to widen them to 50" and lowered them with suspension valving, etc and this helped a bunch on dirt. Without getting into it, the physics of a scooter/motorcycle are obviously completly different.

As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.

:agree: $7k is still a lot of money...and for that thing??

 

[Magic Man]

As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.

True indeed! :2thumbs:

The real cost of a bike is the differance between what you pay for it new and what you get for it when you sell it used. (reasonable repairs aside)

The rest was just a "deposit" so to speak on the bike that is returned when you sell it.

MM

 

[XXX 74]

I disagree, I would say a scooter is way safer than a poorly engineered 3 wheeler any day.

As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.

I agree with you.. but there is no proof that the one in question is poorly engineered... not yet.

whom ever said the price is 7k is crazy... the retail is $4600 and nobody pays retail unless they are crazy...

 

[Magic Man]

I agree with you.. but there is no proof that the one in question is poorly engineered... not yet.

whom ever said the price is 7k is crazy... the retail is $4600 and nobody pays retail unless they are crazy...

I saw the demo they had at the Dealer show in Indy this past Feb. Let's just say they aren't horrible as I have seen worst from overseas, but they are no Spyder for sure.

An MSRP of $4600 for these might not be too bad a list price. But from what I know of these kind of scooters from China, there will be very little if any "real" warranty coverage (most times parts only and no dealer network even if it covers labor too) and parts can be real hard if not almost impossiable to get.

Really, IMHO planning to keep one of these long term or for high miles would not be the best of plans.

Now, to use as a knock around town or as a pit bike they might be real fun and cool for sure. I just don't know how over the long term they will be?

MM

 

[shunkmanitu]

:joke:

shunkmanitu

your response is a Typical blinded owner response...

so you say that the power of the bike should be limited to the traction control because if the bike has more power then it will overwork the traction control?? :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: you are hilarious :roflblack:

Ilike you said and i think this is where we both agree: it is a Sport Touring set up.

Bottom line is that I know The Spyder is a great bike for the price, i got it for the fun factor but Im not a blind Spyder owner and i can see how other people can benefit from having options...

if I knew then what I know now i would have gotten the busa conversion in the picture below..

Thank you for your opinion and your rude, condescending attitude.

 

[jvicker]

:roflblack::roflblack: the spyder is not fast. :roflblack::roflblack:

Hit the red-line in the first three gears in front of any cop then try to convince him; "But Officer, the Spyder is NOT fast."!

how can you compare the spyder to a 250cc??? :roflblack: it shows how much you really know...:roflblack:

The joke is that the whole discussion is exactly that. Spyder verses a market rip-off.

Thanks shunkmanitu. :thumbup: At least someone understands the "fun" we are trying to have with this. A Spyder and a motorcycle, Yes there is no comparison. A Spyder and a "Spyder" replica. I think I'm aloud to poke fun at it.

 

[XXX 74]

I saw the demo they had at the Dealer show in Indy this past Feb. Let's just say they aren't horrible as I have seen worst from overseas, but they are no Spyder for sure.

An MSRP of $4600 for these might not be too bad a list price. But from what I know of these kind of scooters from China, there will be very little if any "real" warranty coverage (most times parts only and no dealer network even if it covers labor too) and parts can be real hard if not almost impossiable to get.

Really, IMHO planning to keep one of these long term or for high miles would not be the best of plans.

Now, to use as a knock around town or as a pit bike they might be real fun and cool for sure. I just don't know how over the long term they will be?

MM

:agree: is a trike to have fun... pit bike sounds like a plan... is no spyder for sure and therefore there is no comparison... NONE. but as another toy (like I have said multiple times) I can see many advantages...

:joke:

Thank you for your opinion and your rude, condescending attitude.

I did not mean to be either rude or condescending. forums are a great way to communicate with one another but sometimes the fun part gets lost in translation... If you feel I was condescending to you, then I apologize. That was not my intention.

 

[shunkmanitu]

Accepted.

[quoteI did not mean to be either rude or condescending. forums are a great way to communicate with one another but sometimes the fun part gets lost in translation... If you feel I was condescending to you, then I apologize. That was not my intention. [/quote]

Accepted, Truth is, when the Kidney Doctor took away my two wheels I would have ridden nearly anything. Looked close at the Wing conversions and the Harley "Tri-Glide", even a Ural with a side car. Nearly fifty years of trying various trikes never gave me a good impression of them. I have ridden a few BIG (V-6 & V-8) that were not too bad except for the huge size and length.

Given room, I ride hard (for an old man) and would love to still have a sport touring such as the V-4 Honda. As I mentioned in the past, a Spyder buitl by Honda with their styling, bags, 1300 V-4, etc would have been my choice. Got the next best thing.

BTW, you can lift a wheel, leave black all the way across an Alabama creek bridge, do a three wheel slide, and outrun a good number of Baby Squiddlies on the river road that have never pushed a Brit Triple to the limits aginst the "new" CB-750 Hondas on California tracks.

There are lots of the PRC & ROK scooters around this area. Checked several of them out for people I know and pushed them toward a couple of the entries from India. When you are fifteen it is hard to beat a 125 cc "chopper" that, at fifty yards, looks like it was built by OCC. We are a service industry area and "good money" for lots of these kids is $10/hr flipping meat at a beach Wendy's!