Need help with juice box problems

[Capt John]

Can you list what the MM settings are?

Curious.

Here is the thread:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11696&highlight=juice+settings

 

[412Spyder]

Here is the thread:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11696&highlight=juice+settings

Check out this thread Lamont repost his settings he brought setting 2 down to 3 about 2 months after the initial settings... all other setting i believe are the same ( correct me if im wrong ).

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13422&highlight=juice+settings

 

[412Spyder]

I give up with this thing.... i cannot get my bike to get out of the lean mixture. I checked my plugs after having some riding on them and they were white. this was just when i pulled them at a cruise speed. I had my JB settings at 6,6,5.5,4,2... i dont get what else i need to do. i sanded the flat part of the plug so it was clean and i could get a good reading. i upped my settings to 7,7,7.5,4,2 and im still running lean at a cruising speed. my gas mileage hasn't increased im still getting 25 to a gallon im not running any hotter then normal 4-5 bars sometimes 6 which is normal for me... i dont get it. Im taking my bike to get tuned on a dyno if they can fit it on ( which im praying they can ). I don't know what else to do anyone have suggestions.... im just hoping my bike isn't messed up. If i was running to lean would i have got a check engine light or anything like that? if i did damage anything would i have hit limp mode from it getting so hot? right now im running the kewl metal intake, two bros dual and JB.... any suggestions would be awesome as im about to go insane worrying and wondering. what a way to spend a birthday today.... going to drive home 2.5 hours get my dads truck and trailer, drive back to get my bike and drive back home..... cant wait

 

[Firefly]

I give up with this thing.... i cannot get my bike to get out of the lean mixture. I checked my plugs after having some riding on them and they were white. this was just when i pulled them at a cruise speed. I had my JB settings at 6,6,5.5,4,2... i dont get what else i need to do. i sanded the flat part of the plug so it was clean and i could get a good reading. i upped my settings to 7,7,7.5,4,2 and im still running lean at a cruising speed. my gas mileage hasn't increased im still getting 25 to a gallon im not running any hotter then normal 4-5 bars sometimes 6 which is normal for me... i dont get it. Im taking my bike to get tuned on a dyno if they can fit it on ( which im praying they can ). I don't know what else to do anyone have suggestions.... im just hoping my bike isn't messed up. If i was running to lean would i have got a check engine light or anything like that? if i did damage anything would i have hit limp mode from it getting so hot? right now im running the kewl metal intake, two bros dual and JB.... any suggestions would be awesome as im about to go insane worrying and wondering. what a way to spend a birthday today.... going to drive home 2.5 hours get my dads truck and trailer, drive back to get my bike and drive back home..... cant wait

I doubt you've run too lean to the point of any damage... so I don't think your bike is 'messed up'. The Spyder was set up to run lean from the get-go. Putting the Spyder on a Dyno is going to take some work---- they'll have to remove the speed sensors from the wheels.

As far as MPG---- you shouldn't expect higher MPG after adding the mods you have----- you'll be lucky if they remain close to what you have been getting.

I really hope the Power Commander with auto-tune can take the guesswork out of what many of us have tried....

 

[412Spyder]

I doubt you've run too lean to the point of any damage... so I don't think your bike is 'messed up'. The Spyder was set up to run lean from the get-go. Putting the Spyder on a Dyno is going to take some work---- they'll have to remove the speed sensors from the wheels.

As far as MPG---- you shouldn't expect higher MPG after adding the mods you have----- you'll be lucky if they remain close to what you have been getting.

I really hope the Power Commander with auto-tune can take the guesswork out of what many of us have tried....

I hear you man on the power commander with auto tune im thinking about getting a wideband for this just so i know all the time what im running. I wasnt aware of them running lean from the get go... that makes me feel better everyone i was with tonight was like oh your gonna burn a hole through your piston blah blah... had me freaking out. I thought the JB with my combo i could get a bit more mpg's... also i called a dealer today and told them i had one he said he could tune it without a dyno... can buds tell you what the afr is? anywho heres pics of what my plugs looks like let me know what you think... honestly they look alot more grey in real life... thanks for the info

also firefly i think we all need to get this and say later on the the JB.... i know how you love the boost

http://www.spydertalk.com/forums/topic/11466-new-wheels/

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[bone crusher]

I give up with this thing.... i cannot get my bike to get out of the lean mixture. I checked my plugs after having some riding on them and they were white. this was just when i pulled them at a cruise speed. I had my JB settings at 6,6,5.5,4,2... i dont get what else i need to do. i sanded the flat part of the plug so it was clean and i could get a good reading. i upped my settings to 7,7,7.5,4,2 and im still running lean at a cruising speed. my gas mileage hasn't increased im still getting 25 to a gallon im not running any hotter then normal 4-5 bars sometimes 6 which is normal for me... i dont get it. Im taking my bike to get tuned on a dyno if they can fit it on ( which im praying they can ). I don't know what else to do anyone have suggestions.... im just hoping my bike isn't messed up. If i was running to lean would i have got a check engine light or anything like that? if i did damage anything would i have hit limp mode from it getting so hot? right now im running the kewl metal intake, two bros dual and JB.... any suggestions would be awesome as im about to go insane worrying and wondering. what a way to spend a birthday today.... going to drive home 2.5 hours get my dads truck and trailer, drive back to get my bike and drive back home..... cant wait

Oh boy....hmmmmm...

My performance and MPG changed significantly with the JB (I do have a hindle and green filter). When I first got my bike, I was running at about 26 mpg. As I got better with riding, I got up to about 28-29. I got the hindle, green, and JB and with these changes, the bike certainly felt more responsive/faster. I also figured out how to get my mileage up...I have now seen up to 35 mpg...wow!

I haven't been on the bike in a few weeks now due to host of factors, but I'll be riding on Sunday at Rolling Thunder...I'll be resetting the JB to see what needs to change due to the second update...

Figure this....if your bike runs really lean, it might be trying to correct this...there goes your mileage...is there anything else that could be going on to determine what the issue is? My JB was creating a lot of popping when dropping through 4th gear...decelerating...I dropped back number 4 and I don't get any of the popping anymore. (I do have to see what happens now)....I found the JB to make significant changes to bike function...

 

[412Spyder]

Figure this....if your bike runs really lean, it might be trying to correct this...there goes your mileage...is there anything else that could be going on to determine what the issue is? My JB was creating a lot of popping when dropping through 4th gear...decelerating...I dropped back number 4 and I don't get any of the popping anymore. (I do have to see what happens now)....I found the JB to make significant changes to bike function...

My JB creates popping in every gear when im decel from 4500rpms to 2400 also if im in that range and just pull back enough to get the rpms up 100 it pops as well. the backfiring im not to worried about its the running lean part. Im just gonna have the dealer check it out he seemed to know his stuff when i asked about it and i trust him, hes a straight forward guy if he couldn't do it he would tell me. So i know my spyder will be in good hands... its need the 6000 mile maint anyways ( im at 5250 now so taking in a bit early ). I dropped number 4 back as low as 3 like you had said before but i didnt get to check the plugs.... this is where i step away and hand the dealer my keys haha..... when you make adjustments are you checking your plugs or going by the butt dyno.... my butt dyno says this thing runs like a beast lol

 

[Campverdefela]

I have basically the same setup as most of you guys and had similar symptoms, but now I've added the 02 modifier and everything seems to have fallen nicely into place. I too believe I was still running a little lean no matter where my JB settings were until the 02 modifier was put into play. Hey its only $90, one of my cheaper mods....try it.

 

[412Spyder]

I would suspect a problem with the purge valve...either the valve or the solenoid. That would explain the surging and the gas smell. There are procedures in the manual that your dealer can use to check it, but these intermittent problems are sometimes elusive. If you temporarily plug the purge valve vent, and the problem is relieved, it is definitely the purge system.

Dang you are good, you hit this one right on the head. Dealer called yesterday i told him to check the purge valve per your suggestion and BINGO it was bad they are replacing it and tuning it for me. cant wait to be on the road again. Thanks everyone for all of your help!!:2thumbs:

 

[NancysToy]

Dang you are good, you hit this one right on the head. Dealer called yesterday i told him to check the purge valve per your suggestion and BINGO it was bad they are replacing it and tuning it for me. cant wait to be on the road again. Thanks everyone for all of your help!!:2thumbs:

 

[412Spyder]

Update: I took the spyder for a ride on 6/25 with the bad purge valve the dealer cleaned it etc to try and hang me over for the weekend (there was a local bike event in the area which brp was there and many others). When i pulled out at first light on my way home from the dealer the bike cut out on from 1400 rpm to 2500 ( which was something new it never cut out on accel but idle was steady at 1350 - 1400). after that it cleared and rode fine home (anywhere i didnt have to fully stop). I made it home with no cutout during crusing. stopped at home for 20 min and headed out again. 3 min into the trip the bike started cutting out so bad it would almost stall while riding temp outside was about 85ish. i finally made it to a safe place to stop about 400 feet away and got the bike towed home. i started it back up after letting it sit for 20 min and the idle would drop to 1250 every 20 seconds or so. I tried clamping the purge valve the idle was still hitting 1250 every so often, took it for a small ride as soon as it hit over 80 degrees it started cutting out again. i took it home and it back to the dealer. they called today after putting new purge valve in and he said its still dieing on acceleration and he cant get enough fuel to it with the JB. hes going to take off the kewl metal intake and put my stock one back on, due to excessive amount of airflow. he also said his shop bike with just the hindle exhaust runs alot better then my current setup. anyone else have a problem with to much airflow.... my dealer is awesome and they deff know what they are doing. Going back to stock at this point seems like a good idea as my spyder has been down for almost a month.

 

[Campverdefela]

Update: I took the spyder for a ride on 6/25 with the bad purge valve the dealer cleaned it etc to try and hang me over for the weekend (there was a local bike event in the area which brp was there and many others). When i pulled out at first light on my way home from the dealer the bike cut out on from 1400 rpm to 2500 ( which was something new it never cut out on accel but idle was steady at 1350 - 1400). after that it cleared and rode fine home (anywhere i didnt have to fully stop). I made it home with no cutout during crusing. stopped at home for 20 min and headed out again. 3 min into the trip the bike started cutting out so bad it would almost stall while riding temp outside was about 85ish. i finally made it to a safe place to stop about 400 feet away and got the bike towed home. i started it back up after letting it sit for 20 min and the idle would drop to 1250 every 20 seconds or so. I tried clamping the purge valve the idle was still hitting 1250 every so often, took it for a small ride as soon as it hit over 80 degrees it started cutting out again. i took it home and it back to the dealer. they called today after putting new purge valve in and he said its still dieing on acceleration and he cant get enough fuel to it with the JB. hes going to take off the kewl metal intake and put my stock one back on, due to excessive amount of airflow. he also said his shop bike with just the hindle exhaust runs alot better then my current setup. anyone else have a problem with to much airflow.... my dealer is awesome and they deff know what they are doing. Going back to stock at this point seems like a good idea as my spyder has been down for almost a month.

If you look at my signature her you see I have everything you have and then some and mine has never cut out like yours. But let us know what they find.

 

[xpeschon]

I to ran the Hindle--Juice Box and the Kewl Intake,, I could never get the setting on the Juice Box set so I therefore took off the Kewl Intake and the Juice Box,,,Still running the Hindel and thats it.. Runs much better for me, some of it is due to Lack of Knowledge on my part cause I'm just not set up for Performance Parts I guess.. I would post and ask for help and everybody helped but still after I made corrections it wouldn't run the way it should.. Also the Kewl Intake is WAY to Loud, the whole sounding like a rattle piece was getting the best of me along with the popping, hissy etc.. Anyway, have a Extra Intake and Juice Box if anyone is interested in buying, I'll lett'em go cheap for sure..

X-Joe

 

[aka1004]

i been having similar problem. spyder hesitating or cutting off when i roll on throttle from standing still. it was lack of fuel. when you get more air in and air out you need more fuel.
i have race air flow, two bros with power commander and i been screwing around with power commander and was just running way way lean.
i burned more gas but performance was worse.
i got a good map from dynojet and it is running super and the symptom is gone.

doesn't juicebox have setting to add more fuel on lower end of rpm? and do get the o2 sensor from evo.
before i had power commander, i could not run race air system, and leo vince pipe without the o2 sensor without getting massive backfiring due to leaness.
dynojet's map had 8-15 % more fuel at the lower end. more fuel at 0% throttle was there to eliminate the back firing at decel.

 

[Campverdefela]

"and do get the o2 sensor from evo.
before i had power commander, i could not run race air system, and leo vince pipe without the o2 sensor without getting massive backfiring due to leaness."
:agree:

 

[412Spyder]

i been having similar problem. spyder hesitating or cutting off when i roll on throttle from standing still. it was lack of fuel. when you get more air in and air out you need more fuel.
i have race air flow, two bros with power commander and i been screwing around with power commander and was just running way way lean.
i burned more gas but performance was worse.
i got a good map from dynojet and it is running super and the symptom is gone.

doesn't juicebox have setting to add more fuel on lower end of rpm? and do get the o2 sensor from evo.
before i had power commander, i could not run race air system, and leo vince pipe without the o2 sensor without getting massive backfiring due to leaness.
dynojet's map had 8-15 % more fuel at the lower end. more fuel at 0% throttle was there to eliminate the back firing at decel.

Sorry about the delay on response to this.... ive been so fed up with my bike i forgot a had it the last couple days lol. As of right now the dealer took off the kewlmetal intake and put the stock systemback on, he said its running alot better but was still cutting out from a standstill, so he took of the juicebox and is going to try a test ride tommorow.... i dont get these problems at all... up until i got the purge vavle temporarly fixed 2 weeks ago i never had it cut out on me when pulling out (until it got over 85 out and the sputtering all started ) even with my two bros dual, jb and kewl metal performance intake... im hoping they figure this out soon... my bikes been in the shop since june 8th and i miss it dearly. as of right now its looking like they will be taking the whole bike back to stock and fixing it from that so that everything is how it should be. ill keep you guys updated one what the final problem is...

 

[412Spyder]

UPDATE: I got the bike back. They had to replace a coil and recalibrate the fuel injection system. Since saturday i have rode 250 miles and the bike runs pretty good... the idle is still erratic jumping anywhere from 1250 to 1500, and sometimes hitting as low as 1100...they said this was from the exhaust being on. the dealer said during his call with BRP they figured out that my juicebox is bad and thats what fried the coil. also in the mist of trying to troubleshoot they changed my ecm... not sure if they kept that in there or if they used it for testing. As of now I'm going to try and get the juicebox replaced... and let it sit on my shelf next to the kewl metal intake... who knows what happened to the idle but the good thing is i can still drive it and they say it wont hurt it. I was cleaning my exhaust today and i noticed that the o2 sensor wasn't screwed in the whole way it has about 1/16 - 1/8 of room left theres just enough room that i can wiggle the 2 washer's thought that it may be leaking but i couldn't feel any air coming out from around. I'm not sure if that couldn't mess up my idle or not but as of now I'm throwing in the towel leaving the bike as it... the idle can get looked at during my next oil change. I wanted to thank everyone for the help i guess i learned my spyder just isnt cut out for this stuff lol.

 

[Campverdefela]

UPDATE: I got the bike back. They had to replace a coil and recalibrate the fuel injection system. Since saturday i have rode 250 miles and the bike runs pretty good... the idle is still erratic jumping anywhere from 1250 to 1500, and sometimes hitting as low as 1100...they said this was from the exhaust being on. the dealer said during his call with BRP they figured out that my juicebox is bad and thats what fried the coil. also in the mist of trying to troubleshoot they changed my ecm... not sure if they kept that in there or if they used it for testing. As of now I'm going to try and get the juicebox replaced... and let it sit on my shelf next to the kewl metal intake... who knows what happened to the idle but the good thing is i can still drive it and they say it wont hurt it. I was cleaning my exhaust today and i noticed that the o2 sensor wasn't screwed in the whole way it has about 1/16 - 1/8 of room left theres just enough room that i can wiggle the 2 washer's thought that it may be leaking but i couldn't feel any air coming out from around. I'm not sure if that couldn't mess up my idle or not but as of now I'm throwing in the towel leaving the bike as it... the idle can get looked at during my next oil change. I wanted to thank everyone for the help i guess i learned my spyder just isnt cut out for this stuff lol.

Hey, if the dealer missed that loose 02 sensor they may have missed something else. You might want to go over the engine looking for loose connections, hoses, exhaust, etc. I once had a running issue and found out the problem to be one of the vacuum lines had a small crack and was sucking in air, the dealer had missed this.

 

[412Spyder]

Hey, if the dealer missed that loose 02 sensor they may have missed something else. You might want to go over the engine looking for loose connections, hoses, exhaust, ect. I once had a running issue and found out the problem to be one of the vacuum lines had a small crack and was sucking in air, the dealer had missed this.

If i knew where all the vacuum lines are i would, but as of now I'im not sure. I'm going to ride it for a while and see how it is. I have no ambition to try and wrestle with thing anymore haha. I checked to see if maybe my y gaskets were leaking because the right had an immense amount of heat but i didn't feel any with my hand when i first started it up. i checked these after i saw the 02 sensor was loose. i know the bike had a full compression and leak test done so the next time i take it back i will have them tighten the o2 sensor. I'm just glad to have my bike back.

 

[ataDude]

..... the dealer said during his call with BRP they figured out that my juicebox is bad and thats what fried the coil...

To the best of my knowledge, the JB does not interface with the ignition coils AT ALL.

It intercepts the fuel injection pulses before it gets to the injectors and modifies the pulse duration to make the fuel richer by whatever amount you set (can't do leaner). That's all.

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