My final Theory on Driveability issues after the recall (a little technical , sorry)

[Some Guy]

Got mine updated yesterday. I have the Micron and the No Magic Green filter. I've only put 40 miles on it so far, but almost all the decel popping, that started when I got the Micron, is gone. :thumbup: The steering feels different, but I can't explain how - no better, no worse.

I'm going to ride more before I vote on the poll because I know some people didn't have problems until after 300 or so miles.

 

[bone crusher]

Or you could do what Ron and I did with the same setup as you have and that's do nothing. Both of ours runs great.:doorag:

Disconnecting the battery does nothing from what I'm told.

That's what I'm hoping for...(holding breath)...

 

[Dudley]

We got back from our trip last Wednesday. The Spyder has been in it's cave since then. Yesterday we rode it to the dealer for an oil filter. It got as high as 97F ambient. Rode it with 5 bars in slow traffic in El Cajon. I couldn't get that darn Spyder to do anything but purr. Ran like a champ...go figure. It ran that way after the update done in Worthington, MN until I filled up from a gas pump that said that gasoline contained ethanol. We were still about 3000 miles from home so the running was off and on bad. Now that we are back to using California gas, will it run well again? So, my mechanically challenged mind asks, "Could the ethanol be giving the problems some of us are having?"

 

[BajaRon]

It got as high as 97F ambient. Rode it with 5 bars in slow traffic in El Cajon.

Ah...El Cajon...Many fond memories there. We used to ride the clover leaf interchange at I-8 and I-67 for fast time.

We would stay on the on/off ramps from each staying on the merge lane between ramps. We would go faster and faster trying to improve our lap times. I don't remember what the record lap time was or even who held it at the end. But it sure was a blast.

We would do it late at night. In those days the traffic was not as bad as it is now.

Surprising how tiring it was go go all out for just 4 or 5 laps.

Glad to hear your Spyder is feeling better. I think you must mean 197F not 97F.

 

[Smylinacha]

Just got back from my dealer, They called BRP and gave them my vin #, as I was told to have them do. He was told their was nothing in the DPS update that would effect the way it runs, and I need to take the Hindle off and put the stock muffler back on to make it run better. I asked the service mgr why do they sell them then. He had no answer. He was told they were no other updates but for the DPS. Don't know if I beleive that or not. My question for them was why did BRP tell me to bring it to them, if they knew they was nothing they could do. I beleive BRP customer service stinks. I guess they got all the customers they need

I wouldn't freakin believe them! They want us to think it's some sort of coincidence? I think Not:sour:. So all the sudden we have our steering issues done and now many :spyder:run like cr@p RIGHT AFTER THE UPDATE?! Give me a break! That recall did more than fix the steering. And then tell Spyder owners to swap back to stock because it runs better? So why do they sell the Hindle then? You are right - they are lying or just haven't figured it out yet and don't wanna say much so they don't get a lawsuit on their hands.

 

[Smylinacha]

I'm getting my update done on Saturday. This is what I'm going to do:

1. Leave the hindle on...the computer is mapped for it
2. Turn off the JB but leave it attached

3. When the update is completed...disconnect the battery for 15-30 minutes...then turn on the bike and idle for 15 minutes...turn off the bike...let it rest for a few, then turn it on and go.

I don't expect there to be any problems. My dealership has done several updates now without a hitch...no problems. I don't know why so many here have issues but maybe the computer needs to be treated more like a Windows system vs. an Apple?

:lecturef_smilie::gaah::gaah::gaah: DON'T DO IT! Why take the chance of it running like cr@p? I was lucky, my dealer either knew what they were doing or it was the luck of the draw and I got my :spyder:back unscathed after the update but so many of us here are now having problems.

 

[Smylinacha]

We got back from our trip last Wednesday. The Spyder has been in it's cave since then. Yesterday we rode it to the dealer for an oil filter. It got as high as 97F ambient. Rode it with 5 bars in slow traffic in El Cajon. I couldn't get that darn Spyder to do anything but purr. Ran like a champ...go figure. It ran that way after the update done in Worthington, MN until I filled up from a gas pump that said that gasoline contained ethanol. We were still about 3000 miles from home so the running was off and on bad. Now that we are back to using California gas, will it run well again? So, my mechanically challenged mind asks, "Could the ethanol be giving the problems some of us are having?"

opcorn:

 

[bone crusher]

:lecturef_smilie::gaah::gaah::gaah: DON'T DO IT! Why take the chance of it running like cr@p? I was lucky, my dealer either knew what they were doing or it was the luck of the draw and I got my :spyder:back unscathed after the update but so many of us here are now having problems.

I do have a lot of faith in my dealership...they have done a good job with everything so far...I have confidence that all will be fine. They have done several without incidence...smaller dealership, family owned...know them all now...very honest and helpful...from what I hear on this board, I wish all dealerships were like mine!

I'm also getting the 3" NMN/ESI risers put on...can't wait!!!!!

 

[BeRight]

I do have a lot of faith in my dealership...they have done a good job with everything so far...I have confidence that all will be fine. They have done several without incidence...smaller dealership, family owned...know them all now...very honest and helpful...from what I hear on this board, I wish all dealerships were like mine!

I'm also getting the 3" NMN/ESI risers put on...can't wait!!!!!

Best of luck - let me know how it goes. They probably know to but it might not hurt to ask if they reset the TPS (throttle position sensor) (I think BRP calls it the throttle stop sensor)and the GPS (Gear Position Sensor) with the PC after the recall software is loaded.

 

[Spanky]

Hey All,
I don't want to rain on anyone's day here but pinching off the evap canister hose is considered tampering with smog controls violating EPA laws. I know if any shops were doing this in Taxifornia and if they were caught, they would face heavy fines.

That being said, I find it hard to believe that BRP would advise doing this as a correction.

I'm far from being the smog police but I thought someone should point that out.

I have not done the update and my wife doesn't want to ride it until it's done but I won't do it until there is a resolution to the performance issues.

So I guess I just leave a $16,000.00 vehicle parked in my garage. If I wanted to just look at it then I could have saved my money and got a free poster.

I hope they do something soon.:gaah:

 

[Lamonster]

Hey All,
I don't want to rain on anyone's day here but pinching off the evap canister hose is considered tampering with smog controls violating EPA laws. I know if any shops were doing this in Taxifornia and if they were caught, they would face heavy fines.

That being said, I find it hard to believe that BRP would advise doing this as a correction.

I'm far from being the smog police but I thought someone should point that out.

BRP has never said to do this as a fix nor will you find any post on here that says that, it's only to help locate the problem. If pinching off the valve fixes the surging then they know where to start looking for a permanent fix.

 

[Smylinacha]

I do have a lot of faith in my dealership...they have done a good job with everything so far...I have confidence that all will be fine. They have done several without incidence...smaller dealership, family owned...know them all now...very honest and helpful...from what I hear on this board, I wish all dealerships were like mine!

I'm also getting the 3" NMN/ESI risers put on...can't wait!!!!!

You are going to LOVE those risers! No more neck pain for me with them! Not one bit! Although now my right hand is falling asleep again like it used to on the Harley. But I'll deal with anything just to not have neck pain anymore.

 

[bone crusher]

Best of luck - let me know how it goes. They probably know to but it might not hurt to ask if they reset the TPS (throttle position sensor) (I think BRP calls it the throttle stop sensor)and the GPS (Gear Position Sensor) with the PC after the recall software is loaded.

Will do...we'll have to ride sometime...get the few MD spyderlovers together and take a ride up to PA or something...

 

[Spanky]

BRP has never said to do this as a fix nor will you find any post on here that says that, it's only to help locate the problem. If pinching off the valve fixes the surging then they know where to start looking for a permanent fix.

I agree with that and it seems a lot like in the days of old when people would buy a "test only" pipe to "test" their catalytic converter.

I wasn't trying to rabble rouse but as everything people post about fixes I take it as rumor until I see a BRP logo on a document.

I must have misinterpreted this.....

so that is what that brp tech was trying to tell my dealer to do to my spyder. he said to block the hose to the throttle body but i bet he meant for us to block off the purge line! finally! my husband and i scratched our heads for hours trying to figure that one out!:shocked: dang if we do this you think they'll say its a modification that could void our warranty? heehee....even though they suggested it....

 

[BajaRon]

Hey All,
I don't want to rain on anyone's day here but pinching off the evap canister hose is considered tampering with smog controls violating EPA laws. I know if any shops were doing this in Taxifornia and if they were caught, they would face heavy fines.

That being said, I find it hard to believe that BRP would advise doing this as a correction.

I'm far from being the smog police but I thought someone should point that out.

A shop (even in Regula-fronia) can disable a smog component for troubleshooting purposes. That is where the exhaust "Test Pipe" came from. It "TEMPORARILY" replaces the catalitc conver to diagnose a problem.

All legal when done as prescribed.

Now, some ruthless, loose cannons with no regard for man nor beast may install something to circumvent the all knowing EPA regulations or even disable a life saving smog component with the deliberate, wanton intention of getting better fuel mileage, better performance, longer engine life and saving money.

But then there is no understanding what these poor, demented people are thinking.... I certainly would do NO SUCH THING!

 

[Arch]

I checked this thread this evening and it was one of the most educational and intellectually challenging technical debates ever. Came back tonight salivating in anticipation of how much more I was going to learn just to find all this racist BS. Come on guys! :lecturef_smilie:

3WD

:agree:

 

[BajaRon]

3wheeldemon[/b]
I checked this thread this evening and it was one of the most educational and intellectually challenging technical debates ever. Came back tonight salivating in anticipation of how much more I was going to learn just to find all this racist BS. Come on guys! :lecturef_smilie:

:agree:

Ok, a total of 1 (Ahhh....) unfortunate post and a few comments on that single post. Just bump past it like a bad spot on your favorite vinyl LP and enjoy the good stuff. hyea:

 

[Firefly]

catalytic converter--- we don't need no stinkin' catalytic converter!

 

[BajaRon]

catalytic converter--- we don't need no stinkin' catalytic converter!

:agree: But you didn't hear me say that!

 

[Pilo]

Need more info

I don't know what you expect - BRP is FRENCH (Canadian) after all...

I've done the canisterectomy and my Hindle equipped Spyder runs just fine, and has lost the gas smell, as the line now vents to the back of the bike.

I'm getting ready to take her in for the 600 mile service, but I'm going to skip the recall, for now. The steering I can deal with, the rest of the stuff that seems to follow, I don't want..

Hey Dragon:

I also have a brand new Hindle equipped SE5 with less than 450 miles on it. I bought it in the USA but moved abroad and had to ship it. No dealership here, so I am on my own.

I extended the evap can vent hose up to the rear axle to get away from the fumes, but I can still smell them when I am at a stand still with the wind blowing forward, or when I get home and park it in the garage. It usually pukes a couple of gasoline drops on the floor.

Some forum members say that the canister is saturated, thus the gas drops. I think it might be that and / or condensation of the fumes due to the lenght of the hose extension (+/- 6').

I am seriously thinking about doing the canisterectomy on my SE5, but wonder if that will really get rid of the fumes' smell and the gas condensation.

Might even think of making an upwards loop in the hose extension where the can used to be, to make sure that no liquid sloshed from the tank will pass on to the bak of the Spyder.

Your 2 cents are appreciated, as well as any information on the behaviour of your ride after the canisterectomy.

Cheers...