My final Theory on Driveability issues after the recall (a little technical , sorry)

[fred]

thank you for the explanations, theories & experiances, i will but these cards in my pocket... BRP is not saying much

in my case; BRP asked the dealer to pinch off(clamp) the hose.. when they did the hesitation stopped

Spyder is under warranty... will continue to push for resolution

yesterday i sent BRP an email... today i called the 800 number they responded like they had not heard of any issues;poppy****, i know others have written and called ; i was told all Spyder 800 numbers end at the same point and there are 4 people that man these phones. They are playing their cards very closely.

they noted my issues and asked me to contact my dealer... i have another appointment later in the week..

send email; call the 800 number and work thru your dealer.

Spyderwomen... i am surprised the dealer did not do this for you.. i would not do it myself if the Spyder is under warranty..BRP is really picky.

 

[BajaRon]

With the plugging of the evap hose giving some an instant fix (or at least an improvement) there is no doubt that the purge valve is definitely a culpret in some, if not many, of the drivablitiy issues.

At least this is an easy "Fix". And there is no reason this should affect any warranty as the evap system has nothing to do with engine (or any other component) longevity.

If a person eliminates the Purge Valve by blocking the hose, and still has the same symtoms with no change, then you've at least eliminated this possiblity.

When you change several things at the same time it makes it more difficult to nail down the problem. But it looks like we are whittling away at it.

 

[NautiBrit]

I don't know what you expect - BRP is FRENCH (Canadian) after all...


It's regretable that you choose to inject racism into an intelligent discussion on a problem that many owners are facing.

 

[bone crusher]

I don't know what you expect - BRP is FRENCH (Canadian) after all...


It's regretable that you choose to inject racism into an intelligent discussion on a problem that many owners are facing.

I hardly call that racism...where is race mentioned? 'French' is a nationality and Canadian French tends to refer to a region. I think he was joking around when he said that... I have always found that the only true racists are the people who think race first whenever anything, anywhere happens...

 

[Smylinacha]

I hardly call that racism...where is race mentioned? 'French' is a nationality and Canadian French tends to refer to a region. I think he was joking around when he said that... I have always found that the only true racists are the people who think race first whenever anything, anywhere happens...

:2thumbs::agree:

 

[NautiBrit]

I hardly call that racism...where is race mentioned? 'French' is a nationality and Canadian French tends to refer to a region. I think he was joking around when he said that... I have always found that the only true racists are the people who think race first whenever anything, anywhere happens...

I guess that I just don't see your logic. Had he said African (American) - African is a nationality and America tends to refer to a region, I would assume that your response would have been totally different. Joking or not, it's an unnecessary insult.

As for your "true racist" comment, I feel it's appropriate to bring up a point when an offhanded remark is designed to denigrate and insult any group of people.

I appreciate your comments, but respectfully disagree.

 

[Motza]

WOOH... NELLY!

STOP!!! Get back to real issue on this post! :lecturef_smilie:

 

[bone crusher]

I guess that I just don't see your logic. Had he said African (American) - African is a nationality and America tends to refer to a region, I would assume that your response would have been totally different. Joking or not, it's an unnecessary insult.

As for your "true racist" comment, I feel it's appropriate to bring up a point when an offhanded remark is designed to denigrate and insult any group of people.

I appreciate your comments, but respectfully disagree.

'African Americans' designate a race. 'French Canadians' refer to those who speak French...there is no correlation between the two and his comment does not imply any racial undertone. Where are you getting this guilt from?

You are assuming that he is trying to denigrate who? Those people who live in Canadian areas where they speak French? Who are they...only one type of person? There are probably several races of people who live there anyway...

Again, if you look for a racial problem, even when one doesn't exist, I guess you can find it or make it up.

French and English speaking Canadians historically are white, so they are the same race anyway!

I certainly hope we're not so PC on everything that a light-hearted joke or comment is construed as being negative to one group of another. If that is the case, nobody will be able to say anything about anyone!

 

[bone crusher]

JUST STOP!!! take it from me it's not worth the discussion....get back to real issue on this post! :lecturef_smilie:

Didn't see your post until after I replied again. I'm done with this exchange...just don't like people creating an issue when one doesn't exist...something about mountains and mole-hills?? Sorry folks...

 

[3wheeldemon]

I checked this thread this evening and it was one of the most educational and intellectually challenging technical debates ever. Came back tonight salivating in anticipation of how much more I was going to learn just to find all this racist BS. Come on guys! :lecturef_smilie:

3WD

 

[Dudley]

From NautiBrit:
It's regretable that you choose to inject racism into an intelligent discussion on a problem that many owners are facing.[/quote]



It's even more regretable that you, who are probably not even French, much less Canadian, has raised the race issue. I am French Canadian, decendents from Nova Scotia to Louisiana Cajun and find no issue in what was said, except from you.

 

[RodO]

I don't know what you expect - BRP is FRENCH (Canadian) after all...

I've done the canisterectomy and my Hindle equipped Spyder runs just fine, and has lost the gas smell, as the line now vents to the back of the bike.

I'm getting ready to take her in for the 600 mile service, but I'm going to skip the recall, for now. The steering I can deal with, the rest of the stuff that seems to follow, I don't want..

As a Canadian of French Canadian heritage, I'm pretty proud of the Spyder's heritage. But I've never thought of it as being French. One of the few instances where it does creep in is in the BRP online parts catalog where section 9 Utilities is really the Tools page. "Outiles" is the French word for tools, so I figure that got lost in translation somewhere.

Also, French Canadians never refer to themselves as French (they're from France) but, like Afro Americans, we'll usually say we're Franco-something, depending on what part of Canada that you're from. Like French grammar, there is always an exception to the rule, and in Canada that would be Québec. Many Québécois don't even consider themselves Canadian and think of themselves as a distinct nation. But they (we) do make a great ryde!

And in the words of a Franco American (ie Louisiana), "Laisser les bons temps roulez!".

Salut,
Rod.

 

[Firefly]

Sooooo

Back to the issue at hand.....

I'm a big fan of the 'doing one fix at a time' technique, which is why I did the battery disconnect 1st---- didn't make a difference----- then removed the canister and plugged the purge line---- been a few days and still have the sputter here and there.

Strange thing is it doesn't happen all the time-- and I cannot always replicate it.

Not sure what to try next---- more or less fuel pressure--- or higher octane gas--- but considering it's not knocking--- I don't think it's the octane.

 

[jwfranklin]

Sooooo

Back to the issue at hand.....

I'm a big fan of the 'doing one fix at a time' technique, which is why I did the battery disconnect 1st---- didn't make a difference----- then removed the canister and plugged the purge line---- been a few days and still have the sputter here and there.

Strange thing is it doesn't happen all the time-- and I cannot always replicate it.

Not sure what to try next---- more or less fuel pressure--- or higher octane gas--- but considering it's not knocking--- I don't think it's the octane.

I had tried 93 octane before the update and mine seemed to run worst, ran fine on 87. After the update thought I would try it again. It doesn't run any better and if anything worse. Going to take mine back to dealer later this morning, and have them call BRP and give them my vin, like BRP told me to.

Wayne

 

[widowmaker2011]

Sooooo

Back to the issue at hand.....

I'm a big fan of the 'doing one fix at a time' technique, which is why I did the battery disconnect 1st---- didn't make a difference----- then removed the canister and plugged the purge line---- been a few days and still have the sputter here and there.

Strange thing is it doesn't happen all the time-- and I cannot always replicate it.

Not sure what to try next---- more or less fuel pressure--- or higher octane gas--- but considering it's not knocking--- I don't think it's the octane.

Pull a sparkplug and either post a pic of it or tell us what color it is. opcorn:

 

[NancysToy]

Sooooo

Back to the issue at hand.....

I'm a big fan of the 'doing one fix at a time' technique, which is why I did the battery disconnect 1st---- didn't make a difference----- then removed the canister and plugged the purge line---- been a few days and still have the sputter here and there.

Strange thing is it doesn't happen all the time-- and I cannot always replicate it.

Not sure what to try next---- more or less fuel pressure--- or higher octane gas--- but considering it's not knocking--- I don't think it's the octane.

That could be a result of weather, or varying fuel supplies. Like I said...complex issue!

 

[jwfranklin]

I had tried 93 octane before the update and mine seemed to run worst, ran fine on 87. After the update thought I would try it again. It doesn't run any better and if anything worse. Going to take mine back to dealer later this morning, and have them call BRP and give them my vin, like BRP told me to.

Wayne

Just got back from my dealer, They called BRP and gave them my vin #, as I was told to have them do. He was told there was nothing in the DPS update that would effect the way it runs, and I need to take the Hindle off and put the stock muffler back on to make it run better. I asked the service mgr why do they sell them then. He had no answer. He was told they were no other updates but for the DPS. Don't know if I beleive that or not. My question for them was why did BRP tell me to bring it to them, if they knew they was nothing they could do. I beleive BRP customer service stinks. I guess they got all the customers they need

 

[bone crusher]

I'm getting my update done on Saturday. This is what I'm going to do:

1. Leave the hindle on...the computer is mapped for it
2. Turn off the JB but leave it attached

3. When the update is completed...disconnect the battery for 15-30 minutes...then turn on the bike and idle for 15 minutes...turn off the bike...let it rest for a few, then turn it on and go.

I don't expect there to be any problems. My dealership has done several updates now without a hitch...no problems. I don't know why so many here have issues but maybe the computer needs to be treated more like a Windows system vs. an Apple?

 

[Lamonster]

I'm getting my update done on Saturday. This is what I'm going to do:

1. Leave the hindle on...the computer is mapped for it
2. Turn off the JB but leave it attached

3. When the update is completed...disconnect the battery for 15-30 minutes...then turn on the bike and idle for 15 minutes...turn off the bike...let it rest for a few, then turn it on and go.

I don't expect there to be any problems. My dealership has done several updates now without a hitch...no problems. I don't know why so many here have issues but maybe the computer needs to be treated more like a Windows system vs. an Apple?

Or you could do what Ron and I did with the same setup as you have and that's do nothing. Both of ours runs great.:doorag:

Disconnecting the battery does nothing from what I'm told.

 

[dabreitbach]

WOW. Who did they get to do this program patch? Did they get some intern to do this Or is there just so much slop in these components that the patch has such radically differnt results on these bike. Did they use such cheap components that they won't hold to specs and are all over the map as to how they react to programing? This isn't rocket science. Far more complex progaming and components are used on cars these days and they don't have a 40% failure rate.
Mine ran fine until the patch and now pops and spits and bachfires. Stock filter and pipe. Come on BRP. Get this fixed RIGHT!!!!!!!:lecturef_smilie::gaah: