• There were many reasons for the change of the site software, the biggest was security. The age of the old software also meant no server updates for certain programs. There are many benefits to the new software, one of the biggest is the mobile functionality. Ill fix up some stuff in the coming days, we'll also try to get some of the old addons back or the data imported back into the site like the garage. To create a thread or to reply with a post is basically the same as it was in the prior software. The default style of the site is light colored, but i temporarily added a darker colored style, to change you can find a link at the bottom of the site.

My brake wear history

Very Interesting

:coffee:...I was going to post up something about the CC.
Now I just sit down and enjoy the Day.

Stay Healthy. ....:thumbup:
 
???? .... well if you use a " caliper " to measure the cc, why not use it to measure the PAD and save a lot of guessing ?????? ..... JMHO ..... Mike :thumbup:

Simply curious, when measuring brake wear, are you removing the brake pads to measure thickness? Not quite sure how a dial caliper would have access to measure accurately with everything assembled.

On the other hand, using a thickness gage, a simple check for remaining friction material would be to have the brake pedal depressed, and use the thickness gage at each end of all the brake pads while installed. Using one thickness gage of .040” or 1mm is an easy go - no go check. If the gage slips in, brake life remains.

When you stated the EBC brake pads BajaRon sells are way better, can you explain further why? I have run the oem Brembo brake pads and did swap to the BajaRon EBC pads. Stopping wise they are similar, but for some reason, the BajaRon pads have always made a buzzing / wurring noise under braking. Mechanically everything is fine, almost as if the Brembo brake disc pattern does not play well the BajaRons EBC brake pads. Stops fine.
 
Last edited:
My EBC HH pads have made that same "wurring" sound from day one. Can't really say I notice any dramatic changes in braking. I swapped out with only about 5K miles on my OEM pads..
 
Simply curious, when measuring brake wear, are you removing the brake pads to measure thickness? Not quite sure how a dial caliper would have access to measure accurately with everything assembled.

On the other hand, using a thickness gage, a simple check for remaining friction material would be to have the brake pedal depressed, and use the thickness gage at each end of all the brake pads while installed. Using one thickness gage of .040” or 1mm is an easy go - no go check. If the gage slips in, brake life remains.

When you stated the EBC brake pads BajaRon sells are way better, can you explain further why? I have run the oem Brembo brake pads and did swap to the BajaRon EBC pads. Stopping wise they are similar, but for some reason, the BajaRon pads have always made a buzzing / wurring noise under braking. Mechanically everything is fine, almost as if the Brembo brake disc pattern does not play well the BajaRons EBC brake pads. Stops fine.

IF you remove the brake caliper assembly - I had no problem measuring the thickness of the pad .... I first measured the pad with the backing plate .... then just the backing plate and subtracted ... which = the pad thickness ..... look at Harbor freight for the picture of what it looks like ( a small adjustable wrench - which fits into the assembly easily ) ..... ???? Is the stopping power better or worse - well I don't have the equipment to do that ...... the EBC pads have lasted a lot longer than the OEM ..... JMHO ..... Mike :thumbup:
 
IF you remove the brake caliper assembly - I had no problem measuring the thickness of the pad .... I first measured the pad with the backing plate .... then just the backing plate and subtracted ... which = the pad thickness ..... look at Harbor freight for the picture of what it looks like ( a small adjustable wrench - which fits into the assembly easily ) ..... ???? Is the stopping power better or worse - well I don't have the equipment to do that ...... the EBC pads have lasted a lot longer than the OEM ..... JMHO ..... Mike :thumbup:

Yes, as I suspected, you removed the brake caliper, then removed the pad from the caliper so the rears could be measured. If checking the fronts by this same method, the brake pads can be slipped out of the caliper after gaining access of removing the wheel and retaining pins.

Using the digital caliper or similar measuring device, is the correct method, unless the brake is equipped with visual wear indicators, or audible wear indicators, to very accurately do as you have done to verify actual wear.

Typically though, folks will order new brake parts and while accomplishing this measurement or visual check, “just go ahead” and install new parts since it is already apart. With that they do surrender full life of the brakes.

The credit card or thickness gage method does not require any disassembly in most cases. It does however require that when checking, the brakes are clamping the disc to get a reasonably accurate measurement.the thickness gage method can be very accurate when done correctly, the credit card method, might allow a person to wear the brakes slightly more than published specs.

Two entirely different methods, both can work. Add to this, often a simple visual inspection, even if using an inspection mirror and flashlight, with a trained eye to know just what thickness remaining is needed works well too for a quick check, but certainly not best to obtain 100% brake wear.

Rather than doing the math and subtraction method you stated, next time you might consider to measure the thickness of the clean brake pad backing plate, and while measuring hit the “zero” button. Next measure the entire brake pad thickness. This gives a direct measurement of actual pad friction material remaining.
 
Last edited:
My EBC HH pads have made that same "wurring" sound from day one. Can't really say I notice any dramatic changes in braking. I swapped out with only about 5K miles on my OEM pads..


Did you ever resolve or attempt to resolve the wurring noise? Before others chime in stating to use pad anti squeal coating, this is not brake squeal. When you apply the brakes, it makes a sound like the letter ZZZZZZZZZZ. Most likely the friction material passing by the drilled venting holes in the oem Brembo brake discs. I forget if I beveled the pad edge or not on the EBC stuff. However I kind of expect brake pads to be plug and play other than a quick spray of brakleener. Oh well.

Not sure on how the Brembo vs EBC wear will compare. I had plenty of friction material left on my oem Brembo pads, but a caliper leaked and contaminated the brake material. I did try washing the brake pad clean, but in the interest of safety installed new after testing the cleaned brake pad. I very possibly could have burnt off the DOT 4, but typical me, I do not run regular DOT 4 fluid and with a much higher spec, the heat from the MAPP torch could damage the brake pad. So they were changed.

I did find, and confirmed this with a long time Spyder rider and tech, that the oem Brembos tend to have a stronger initial bite under braking. Whereas the EBC, has less initial bite, but they both stop well.
 
Yes, as I suspected, you removed the brake caliper, then removed the pad from the caliper so the rears could be measured. If checking the fronts by this same method, the brake pads can be slipped out of the caliper after gaining access of removing the wheel and retaining pins.

Using the digital caliper or similar measuring device, is the correct method, unless the brake is equipped with visual wear indicators, or audible wear indicators, to very accurately do as you have done to verify actual wear.

Typically though, folks will order new brake parts and while accomplishing this measurement or visual check, “just go ahead” and install new parts since it is already apart. With that they do surrender full life of the brakes.

The credit card or thickness gage method does not require any disassembly in most cases. It does however require that when checking, the brakes are clamping the disc to get a reasonably accurate measurement.the thickness gage method can be very accurate when done correctly, the credit card method, might allow a person to wear the brakes slightly more than published specs.

Two entirely different methods, both can work. Add to this, often a simple visual inspection, even if using an inspection mirror and flashlight, with a trained eye to know just what thickness remaining is needed works well too for a quick check, but certainly not best to obtain 100% brake wear.

Rather than doing the math and subtraction method you stated, next time you might consider to measure the thickness of the clean brake pad backing plate, and while measuring hit the “zero” button. Next measure the entire brake pad thickness. This gives a direct measurement of actual pad friction material remaining.

No I measure the Pad and backing plate while it is installed .... IF you went to harbor freight you would see what tool I'm using, it is inexpensive - so it's very basic ( but still accurate) .... measuring the PAD alone would be extremely difficult, the Math even for someone like me isn't..... I've seen a DIAL caliper measuring device .... that's not what I use ..... Mike :thumbup:
 
No I measure the Pad and backing plate while it is installed .... IF you went to harbor freight you would see what tool I'm using, it is inexpensive - so it's very basic ( but still accurate) .... measuring the PAD alone would be extremely difficult, the Math even for someone like me isn't..... I've seen a DIAL caliper measuring device .... that's not what I use ..... Mike :thumbup:

Well Mike, regarding the as you stated in post #6, you use a digital caliper tool. You also stated it looks like an adjustable wrench. With that said, I believed you were referencing a digital dial caliper. I have several of them from Harbor Freight.

Having utilized these tools for decades, it sounds cumbersome as a method to measure brake pad wear unless the actual brake pad is removed. In order for the actual remaining brake friction material thickness to be measured while assembled, the brake pedal MUST be depressed or in the case of rears, the parking brake must be activated.

When the brakes are disassembled, measuring accurately is a simple task. Unfortunately, I remain unable to visualize how you position the caliper tool in order to get an accurate dimension at the brake pads leading and trailing edge. A photo certainly would be that truthful 1000 words per image.

Regardless, very well it seems to work in your setup. Myself, I guess being old school will simply remove the brakes when visually worn, and measure them on the bench. Thanks, will be a great topic if you could post a photo.
 
No I measure the Pad and backing plate while it is installed .... IF you went to harbor freight you would see what tool I'm using, it is inexpensive - so it's very basic ( but still accurate) .... measuring the PAD alone would be extremely difficult, the Math even for someone like me isn't..... I've seen a DIAL caliper measuring device .... that's not what I use ..... Mike :thumbup:

For giggles, I did a quick search using the words you posted describing the tool.

Is this what you are referring too? If so I have at least three. Decent tool at an expendable price point.

Sure would like to see how you get that tool positioned for an accurate reading.

https://www.harborfreight.com/6-in-digital-caliper-63711.html
 
For giggles, I did a quick search using the words you posted describing the tool.

Is this what you are referring too? If so I have at least three. Decent tool at an expendable price point.

Sure would like to see how you get that tool positioned for an accurate reading.

https://www.harborfreight.com/6-in-digital-caliper-63711.html

PMK, I'm glad you ask for some clarity. I'm a bit confused too. I know Mike is a very knowledgable guy and does good work but in my mind's eye, I'm asking the same questions you are. How and where do you get that thing in there? LOL
 
For giggles, I did a quick search using the words you posted describing the tool.

Is this what you are referring too? If so I have at least three. Decent tool at an expendable price point.

Sure would like to see how you get that tool positioned for an accurate reading.

https://www.harborfreight.com/6-in-digital-caliper-63711.html

Yep that's EXACTLY what I use .... only I bought the cheap Composit one :roflblack: ..... PS, I read the Harbor Freight description and nowhere was the DIAL used .... I'm surprised you found it. ..... PPS the caliper assembly MUST be un-bolted and taken off the bracket to do this ..... have fun .... Mike :thumbup:
 
Yep that's EXACTLY what I use .... only I bought the cheap Composit one :roflblack: ..... PS, I read the Harbor Freight description and nowhere was the DIAL used .... I'm surprised you found it. ..... PPS the caliper assembly MUST be un-bolted and taken off the bracket to do this ..... have fun .... Mike :thumbup:

Well, that does explain more now that you stated to do this dimensional check, you are disassembling the caliper from the brake anchor plate.

As for :roflblack: , not to rub salt in a wound, I buy the one I linked, the digital one that easily does the math, when on sale minus 25%, so about $7.50 per tool for the stainless steel, not plastic, with digital setup. I often buy several at that time. My dial type, non digital style, have a couple of reinforced plastic type, and a Starret. While not needing a battery, they still work well when used in the correct application.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, most folks if they disassemble the brakes, unless a lot of friction material remains on the backing plate, they just change them, even if not worn 100%. They just prefer not to take it apart again.
 
Well, that does explain more now that you stated to do this dimensional check, you are disassembling the caliper from the brake anchor plate.

As for :roflblack: , not to rub salt in a wound, I buy the one I linked, the digital one that easily does the math, when on sale minus 25%, so about $7.50 per tool for the stainless steel, not plastic, with digital setup. I often buy several at that time. My dial type, non digital style, have a couple of reinforced plastic type, and a Starret. While not needing a battery, they still work well when used in the correct application.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, most folks if they disassemble the brakes, unless a lot of friction material remains on the backing plate, they just change them, even if not worn 100%. They just prefer not to take it apart again.

Go back and read my post #24 ...... you need not apologize ...... PS I'm done with this thread ...... Mike :gaah:
 
Go back and read my post #24 ...... you need not apologize ...... PS I'm done with this thread ...... Mike :gaah:

Mike, entirely your choice on being done with this topic. As you may have read, 2Dogs was following your words the same as I interpreted them.

Both of us, and maybe others, based on your posts, got the impression you had a technique that allowed accurately measuring remaining brake pad friction material remaining, without disassembly.
Now with it clarified that you are removing the rear brake caliper from the brake anchor plate, and then, are able to get the measuring caliper positioned adequately for measuring, your method becomes more clear.

You should not be upset on account of a lack of understanding by us. Clarity of written words, often times for many folks is clear to the writer, but can be confusing to the reader. Not that it is not understood per say, rather understood differently.
 
Mike, do you think the EBC pads / rotors would provide sufficient additional braking power to counter the additional 500 lbs we are towing & carrying when we go camping with our Lees-Ure Lite? Or, should I be looking at getting a brake kit for the trailer? Or both?
 
Mike, do you think the EBC pads / rotors would provide sufficient additional braking power to counter the additional 500 lbs we are towing & carrying when we go camping with our Lees-Ure Lite? Or, should I be looking at getting a brake kit for the trailer? Or both?

Wow 500 lbs. .... if you are in the mountains I think you are pushing the envelope at even 400 lbs. ... Our Spyders can pull that weight .... STOPPING is the issue ( as you realize ) .... There have been a few folks here who have successfully added brakes to their Trailer ...... and some who failed ..... Contact the people at " E-Brakes " and see what they think you would need. It might not be worth the expense ..... good luck with this and keep us informed ..... Mike :thumbup:
 
Wow 500 lbs. .... if you are in the mountains I think you are pushing the envelope at even 400 lbs. ... Our Spyders can pull that weight .... STOPPING is the issue ( as you realize ) .... There have been a few folks here who have successfully added brakes to their Trailer ...... and some who failed ..... Contact the people at " E-Brakes " and see what they think you would need. It might not be worth the expense ..... good luck with this and keep us informed ..... Mike :thumbup:


I'm not finding brake kits for the 9" trailer wheels unfortunately.

I'll start a new thread
 
Last edited:
I'm not finding brake kits for the 9" trailer wheels unfortunately.

I'll start a new thread

Do you have BRP trailer ..... I don't think ...9 inch ... is a common size .... it might be possible to switch to a more common size ..... good luck ..... Mike :thumbup:
 
I'm not finding brake kits for the 9" trailer wheels unfortunately.

I'll start a new thread

Pete, I researched trailer brakes for my Lees-Ure Lite and found etrailer.com had just about all the parts from backing plates to a wireless controller. It's very pricy to retrofit little trailers with electric brakes. But it's safer. We shouldn't be pulling over 400/500 lbs to be safe. Tongue weight 10 to 15%. I know a bunch of folks pull much more than that and I've seen the photos on this site of the results that have gone bad. Remember our trailer hitches attach directly to the axle. Most all others attach to the frame. Try some fake panic stops going downhill and see how it feels. Good luck.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Back
Top