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Removing the canster will void your warranty
Not True. They would have to show cause that the missing canister created the problem. Since the canister has no function other than to route fuel vapors from the gas tank through the engine combustion cycle, they would be extremely hard pressed to demonstrate any cause and effect from its removal.

I've had several warranty repairs done. No one even mentioned the missing canister.

and is againest the law. ​
True. And this has to be factored in of course. But I think you can trace at least some, if not several of the Spyder fires to this canister. Not to mention fuel smell and other problems created by faulty canister components. Just my opinion, but eliminating this canister has been more than worth the effort to me.

Everyone has to make their own decision. The Canister-Ectomy is just an inexpensive option that has been tried with great success.
 
Not True. They would have to show cause that the missing canister created the problem. Since the canister has no function other than to route fuel vapors from the gas tank through the engine combustion cycle, they would be extremely hard pressed to demonstrate any cause and effect from its removal.

I've had several warranty repairs done. No one even mentioned the missing canister.

True. And this has to be factored in of course. But I think you can trace at least some, if not several of the Spyder fires to this canister. Not to mention fuel smell and other problems created by faulty canister components. Just my opinion, but eliminating this canister has been more than worth the effort to me.

Everyone has to make their own decision. The Canister-Ectomy is just an inexpensive option that has been tried with great success.

I talked to a rider with a 2010 RS at Maggie Valley and he told me that his dealer would not do warranty repairs unless he reinstalled his canister. I agree that the canister is in a really poor location and does cause raw fuel to dump on the ground , to me relocating the canister is the right way fix the problem. For now I rerouted the gas tank vent line up to the frame and then down to the canister. When I relocated the gas tank vent line I removed the canister I drained it before I reinstalled it and it had raw gas and lettle water in it. That's IMHO.

Mike
 
I talked to a rider with a 2010 RS at Maggie Valley and he told me that his dealer would not do warranty repairs unless he reinstalled his canister. I agree that the canister is in a really poor location and does cause raw fuel to dump on the ground , to me relocating the canister is the right way fix the problem. For now I rerouted the gas tank vent line up to the frame and then down to the canister. When I relocated the gas tank vent line I removed the canister I drained it before I reinstalled it and it had raw gas and lettle water in it. That's IMHO.

Mike
That dealer sounds like a DICK! And if it were my dealer, I'd be looking for another one. The dealer we do use has no issues with most mods, including the canisterectomy. While he himself is not allowed to do it, he agrees that it works and is a good idea.
 
The dealer in question, is trying to "cover his butt"...
Face it; it is against the law, and he'd just as soon NOT have an illegally modified bike in his shop... :shocked:
Particularly when the consequence could end up shutting him down, or bankrupting him. :yikes:
It's understandable, and doesn't make him a "Dick"
(Unless his first name is "Richard" :D)
 
Removing the canister is Not against the Law in the majority of states. The canister is not required by law in the majority of states. The can-am spyder is considered a motorcycle in the majority of states and is covered under that.
 
The dealer in question, is trying to "cover his butt"...
Face it; it is against the law, and he'd just as soon NOT have an illegally modified bike in his shop... :shocked:
Particularly when the consequence could end up shutting him down, or bankrupting him. :yikes:
It's understandable, and doesn't make him a "Dick"
(Unless his first name is "Richard" :D)
BS....The fact that someone modified their machine on their own time, at their own location, and at their own expense has nothing to do with the dealer and should not void a warranty unless the mod itself does the damage. Again, that dealer is a non-Richard DICK!
 
Think of it this way Bob, what if the dealer told you that they would void your warranty or refuse to work on your old RT because you put ridiculous orange chicken wing stickers on it.....???...[emoji12]
 
orange chicken wing stickers?

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Went ahead and put on new purge valve and fuel filter yesterday and got to ride a little today. Didn't pop or miss any, but it was relatively cool today (87). Maybe it solved my problem.
 
Hopefully it will solve the problem. It seems to be the most logical solution given your problems. Will be interested to see how it turns out.
 
With all due respect and food for thought for those interested regarding cat-bypass modifications; here is a link to the Federal Law:http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/title2.html


The Federal Law takes precedence over any state law regarding vehicle components related to Federal EPA standards of the Clean Air Act.

Some may even find it interesting to note there is not a reference to "off-road-use" being an exemption to the law. While some products are sold under this guise, it does not protect the end-user from violating the law.


You will find the law very restrictive with regard to any modification of any kind to any vehicle component by anyone -- ever.

Reading the sections of "Actions to Restrain..." and "Civil Penalties"; you will see the law's legal reach is quite deep, restricting virtually anyone from making modifications.


While I agree with most; enforcing the Act has not made headline news, and I have never known there to be an "enforcement task force" running around the country arresting people; I would pause and be sure to read the law so you have an understanding of it before moving forward on any modification related to components required to exist by Federal Law.


Here are a couple sections of the law...
42 U.S. Code § 7522 - Prohibited acts (3):
(3)
(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or


(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use.


Everyone should note; the fines for mechanics, car dealers, marketers of by-pass products and such are the highest.

Their fine is up to $25,000 per part, not per incident. In other words, two parts replaced could fetch a fine of $50,000. Where the fine for individuals is far less.


Again, I do not know of anyone who has been arrested and charged yet, so I am not losing sleep over it yet; but you can bet someday there are going to be some people the government are going to make examples of. It has happened in the last couple years to Vance & Hines for their avoidance of the laws.
 
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Removing the canister is Not against the Law in the majority of states. The canister is not required by law in the majority of states. The can-am spyder is considered a motorcycle in the majority of states and is covered under that.

It's not a state law it's a Federal Law and the fine is a max of $10,000 and/or 10 years in jail. It's the EPA Law and they don't like people tampering with pollution devices.

Mike
 
I guess there are going to be a LOT fewer of us on the road once they decide to start locking us all up!.....[emoji23]
 
Removing the canister is Not against the Law in the majority of states. The canister is not required by law in the majority of states. The can-am spyder is considered a motorcycle in the majority of states and is covered under that.

Rode 700 miles this weekend after replacing purge valve and fuel filter. All popping was gone. Bike ran great!
 
Just read the law and sorry but I did not take out of the law the same as you did for motorcycles and the section on fines does not read as you state it does. Funny I just bought a brand new ZX10R and it as none of this on it, not one thing. I guess Kawasaki is going to jail, some of you on this site need to lighten up a little. Motorcycle are meant to be something that one can work on ourselves modify and do what ever with. Make them our own, some like to go fast, some like to travel but for most there is the little rebel thing going on. When I had my spyder inspected in Sept (ny is every year) I ask them about it and they just laughed. Lighten up and enjoy the bike and modify it until it is your own and if it was a super-bike I would scrap your foot peg on every corner (sorry is that against the law also) lol:yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes:
 
...Funny I just bought a brand new ZX10R and it as none of this on it, not one thing. I guess Kawasaki is going to jail...

I went through factory training for HD, Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki. All modern street bikes do conform with federal law on emissions. The specs on the 2013 ZX10R even has these two bullets:

  • Titanium-header exhaust system with hydroformed header pipes and small, lightweight muffler assembly uses a pre-chamber that houses two catalyzers for emissions and sound
  • Dual catalyzers help the ZX-10R meet strict U.S. and Euro III exhaust emissions standards
 
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