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Miminum Tire pressure

canamjhb

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When my tires need replacing I am going to replace with Federals on the front and General on the rear. I will air them up according to Mike and Peters recommendation. My question is, at what pressure are the tires in danger of breaking the bead during hard turns....?
From my past off-road riding, I could run my old Commander tires as low as 4PSI without problem. But I did see a fair number of others who experienced a flat due to loosing the bead seal when not using bead-lock rims.
 
I'm running 20 PSI on all three tires and love the way my Spyder handles! The owners manual calls for 15 +- 2 PSI for the fronts and I've tried everything from 13 to 22 and settled on 20 PSI. Tried 18-28 PSI for the rear and settled on 20 PSI for it as well. Go much less and the handling gets soft and mushy, especially the front. Much more and the ride starts to get a little more harsh and traction may start to suffer. Also I believe tread wear may become concentrated on the middle of the tires.
 
INTERESTING QUESTION !!!!

When my tires need replacing I am going to replace with Federals on the front and General on the rear. I will air them up according to Mike and Peters recommendation. My question is, at what pressure are the tires in danger of breaking the bead during hard turns....?
From my past off-road riding, I could run my old Commander tires as low as 4PSI without problem. But I did see a fair number of others who experienced a flat due to loosing the bead seal when not using bead-lock rims.
, To be Honest on this, it really hard to give a number ... ( and I don't guess about tires ).....The problem is, no real testing has been done with a Spyder using Auto tires, your Commander's tires could very well have had 6 - 7 sidewall ply's ( uber stiff ) because I believe they are made to run normally with less PSI. ... I did report quite awhile back that I actually drove my RT using a Hydro-Edge tire @ 8 psi :yikes: for about 5 miles ......and Yes I did think the handling wasn't normal ( this was accidental ).... The bead didn't break ( I don't ever recommend this PSI for a Spyder ) ..... And if you run the commander at that psi get Rim / Bead Locks.... The PSI that Peter and I talk about is OK for even the most spirited riding .... I'm living proof the Bead won't break :yes::yes::yes:.....hope this sets your mind at ease ...........Mike :thumbup:
 
This isn't something that you want to find out the hard way. nojoke
And there's too many factors involved, to give a hard and fast number. :dontknow:
Just stay within reason, and you'll never end up along side the road: with a long face... :shocked:
 
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Thank you Mike. That is kinda what I was looking for. Breaking a tire bead at speed in a corner would make for a bad day. I am inclined to follow your expertise but just want to make sure I'm not living on the edge.
 
Thank you Mike. That is kinda what I was looking for. Breaking a tire bead at speed in a corner would make for a bad day. I am inclined to follow your expertise but just want to make sure I'm not living on the edge.
:yes:.. I appreciate your vote of confidence ...Thank you.... anecdotal story .... My X had just had four tires replaced at a Sears shop and was driving home on the Interstate at speed ... She lost control... left the highway ... and Rolled / flipped down an embankment .... No one was really hurt ( Thank God ) but the SUV was totaled .... I had friends on the State Police Accident Investigation Squad and in their review they found the right front tire had not been Seated properly by the Sears employee , ... this caused instant tire collapse and the resulting accident. The lawyers for Sears didn't even challenge it ............. Mike :thumbup:
 
I guess my question wasn't clear. What I am looking for is the pressure at which the tire is in danger of breaking the bead. I don't want to run at that pressure obviously.

As Mike mentioned, he's accidentally done some spirited ryding with pressures as low as 8psi while running his Hydro-Edge tires; & as well as doing tens of thousands of miles in 4 wheeled vehicles running tires at lower pressures, I've also done a few thousand miles of test track type riding at 10 Psi on Kumhos & a couple of other tire brands on Spyders, & that riding included some fairly tight turns at reasonably high speeds... repeatedly :shocked:; and neither of us feel we've even got close to rolling a tire off the rim... yet! That said, there's almost certainly going to be a fair bit of 'unconcious intervention' going on when anyone is riding hard or pushing close to their or their rides' limits.... you might not realise how much you are trying not to turn too hard or push beyond the 'reasonably safe' feeling you are comfortable with, but it's definitely there & without conciously pushing beyond that, you aren't too likely to reach the limits - besides, my days of actively trying to push thru those limits/boundaries & break things on purpose are well past!! :shocked:

And you can add to that how careful the Nanny is.... I reckon it would really take some Posthumous Darwin Award level talent for anyone sane to push too much beyond the Nanny's usual intervention levels - still, I'm sure it CAN be done, so please, don't take that as a challenge, but I think most sane people would realise pdq that they were pushing her limits & unless they seriously have a death wish, most will tend to back off once the yellow lights start flashing & she starts reducing power &/or applying the brakes on just one wheel to keep you in line!! And AFAIK, she can't/won't intervene in a way that makes rolling a tire off the rim any more likely once you are out there on the ragged edge - she's a pretty smart software package! :thumbup:
 
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