Melted Master Cylinder Reservoir

[Sny]

Sorry but we didn't spend $24K to avoid riding it...............

I don't know what to tell ya... I don't want to sit and make payments on something that's suicidal to ride in this condition either.

But I can tell ya, suddenly losing your brakes will change your mind real quick.

At least on the GS there was/is a parking brake which would do SOMETHING. If not eventually stop you.

I recommend calling BRP twice a day and asking for status.
File a complaint via NHTSA.
Call your dealer multiple times a week depending on how much you like them.
Call your insurance company and verify with them if they'll cover your medical expenses if you ride knowing that your brakes might fail any minute.

If you're comfortable with the responses you get from all of the above, ride on! It's completely up to you. I just recommended being safe because I would hate to see someone get killed because of this huge, obvious and dangerous flaw that I'm sure showed up in BRP's testing and went ignored (I'm sorry, de-prioritized.)

Yes, I'm frustrated. 3 weeks of the best part of my riding season so far. I expect it'll be months before they put a bandaid on this and another year before they finally fix it like the other dangerous design flaws in previous models.

 

[flamingobabe]

mine is parked in our m/c barn...I will not ride it until fixed...I enjoy life too much

 

[Rayelljay]

I was wondering if removing that large black plastic cover over the rear wheel, (only 7 screws holding it on), and, using a hole saw of the size you use for setting a lock and cut holes (leaving plenty of meat between) to allow the hot air to escape over the rear wheel. I offer this as a suggestion for an RS with this problem...I don't know if you could treat the RT the same way. I hate to hear of someone without their:spyder2: and this is only a wild suggestion to keep you on the road.

 

[billybovine]

I don't know what to tell ya... I don't want to sit and make payments on something that's suicidal to ride in this condition either.

But I can tell ya, suddenly losing your brakes will change your mind real quick.

At least on the GS there was/is a parking brake which would do SOMETHING. If not eventually stop you.

I recommend calling BRP twice a day and asking for status.
File a complaint via NHTSA.
Call your dealer multiple times a week depending on how much you like them.
Call your insurance company and verify with them if they'll cover your medical expenses if you ride knowing that your brakes might fail any minute.

If you're comfortable with the responses you get from all of the above, ride on! It's completely up to you. I just recommended being safe because I would hate to see someone get killed because of this huge, obvious and dangerous flaw that I'm sure showed up in BRP's testing and went ignored (I'm sorry, de-prioritized.)

Yes, I'm frustrated. 3 weeks of the best part of my riding season so far. I expect it'll be months before they put a bandaid on this and another year before they finally fix it like the other dangerous design flaws in previous models.

I am confused about about what you said. You say you suddenly lost your brakes. Do you mean that suddenly you had no brakes and you could not stop or you are surprised you had a brake problem. From your pictures it is clear that the plastic melted to the point that the reserve brake fluid for the front brakes leaked out. It appears that fluid path for the reserve fluid for the rear brake is intact and the rear brake should have worked as it should. The front brakes should have continued to work as well but air would have entered the high pressure side of the master cylinder after a couple of uses but still worked in a degraded level.

If I am in error and that is not correct, please explain what I am missing.

 

[quickster47]

Yes, I'm frustrated. 3 weeks of the best part of my riding season so far. I expect it'll be months before they put a bandaid on this and another year before they finally fix it like the other dangerous design flaws in previous models.

What exactly where the other dangerous design flaws in previous models you speak of?

Did you personally experience them?

Carl

 

[SpyderAnn01]

What exactly where the other dangerous design flaws in previous models you speak of?

Did you personally experience them?

Carl

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He is probably referring to the Dynamic Power Steering recall that happened in the fall of 2010 and affected all models and years.

 

[bamaryder]

Problems with the ST

It is July 4th and we still have not heard anything from BRP or Ghislain Cossette the service manager at BRP. We have reported the melted master brake cylinder to the NHTSA. I hope that we hear something soon. We really miss riding our Spyder and itis not right to pay $25,000 for a bike you can't even ride. Right now I am so mad at BRP for selling these flawed bikes.

 

[JKMSPYDER]

ST Problems

My ST-S is going to the dealer tomorrow to have the MC plastic cap replaced. I have already wrapped the exhaust pipe with heat wrap and the dealer will wrap the cap with reflective heat tape. It's odd that your dealer won't try a fix and release the Spyder, while my dealer has suggested this fix until we hear from BRP. Is it wise for me to be riding my Spyder after this fix? Well, I'll let you know as time goes by. I'm not going to let BRP ruin my summer fun by staying silent.

 

[Lamonster]

Guys, I spoke with BRP and they are currently investigating the situation of the brake master cylinder deformation on some 2013 units.

If you want to have your unit inspected for this possible situation, please call your dealer and appointment to have your Spyder checked out. BRP has communicated with their dealer network on this subject.


Once a solution is available it will be communicated to the dealer network accordingly. This needs to be handle by your local dealer.

 

[StanProff]

BRP is no different than any other manufacture be it a motorcycle, car or a weedeater. Vendors are issued submittals and go through a bid process to supply specific parts to be manufactured to certain standards of materials, quality etc. During the manufacturing process sometimes faulty materials get by the quality control or inspection process. It doesn't usually affect the entire line of the product but usually a small percentage. The difficult part is to determine if the defect involves all the parts used in production or just a certain batch of parts used and then determine when this defective batch hit the assembly line. It does take time to Nail down these issues. We do lay down a lot of money for the Spyders and although I have never had any issues I can certainly understand the fustration for those of you that are having the problem. I had a car that was bought new (2010) model that lost 2 transmissions and had a faulty throttle body, (yes, throttle bodies go bad on cars to). I am sure BRP will get to the bottom of the heat issue and the parts breaking down due to the heat. Hopfully sooner than later.

 

[coz]

melting plastic

i just saw rabtech's photo of the master cylinder/exhaust pipe. they are like two inches apart. what genius designed that. most plastics melt around 350° . i would think it's easily hotter than that two inches from that pipe.:banghead: W T H .

 

[spyderyderjim]

#9 sparkplugs, heat shield around MS, computer reset


My 2013 Spyder RT-S Master brake cylinder is ok at 3,200 miles, but still added HP reflective heat shield around master cylinder; double wrapped #2 cylinder exhaust pipe and temp dropped to 152 deg. Putting in colder running #9 iridium plugs, with a computer reset from Len helped it to run richer with light black carbon instead of the white it was previously using the #8 plugs. (I also added a 2 Bros muffler before the computer reset). Len can advise your dealer how to reset your Spyder ST to run richer.
Added HP reflective shield over top of #2 cylinder to stop heat around left side & seat. Added Hp reflective heat shield to front & sides of gas tank, gas temp dropped to 128 deg, gas cap is now 116 deg.
Hang in there. Jim

check the spark plugs...my are white...running lean

 

[flamingobabe]

My ST will go to Len at PitBull this coming weekend...we will trailer it to Missouri on Friday...see Len Saturday am...