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M2 shocks closing doors in 2 weeks! Announced 1st week of Sept '24.

Ron I think you will understand this better as in names of parts than most because you know shocks. When I asked him about having these shocks serviced in the future by another person since you are closing can I get some details about the interior guts, possibly part numbers to explain to my shock builder to see if he can service them. He replied basically I don’t have time for this “crap” (used Otherword). You bought a f’n precision performance shock and it won’t need serviced. I replied that I didn’t mean any disrespect but I’m planning on buying either a 2025 or 2026 RT and would like to possibly put these on that if possible so these shocks will last for the next 10 years. Any shock will need recharged or sealed over that time and mileage. He replied everything on his shock is rebuildable. Anyone should be able to figure it out with any knowledge. I’ve got to much f’n work to get done. When did you buy them? He asked. Replied ordered last august received in April. He said you want numbers, I’ll send you my April spyder shocks orders and you waste your time figuring out which one. They are all custom made. I received the excell print out. I’ll admit he kept good records. There are no customer names but I looked at my spring and found that on his list first and think I’m #2 produced. All 9 say custom tube with no number. That’s the body tube. Fine that’s his. He list the seals. After finding them online they are all about same specs as in sizes. Here is where I am questioning things. The first 2 (I think mine has Bilstein with part number) bilstein is mass produced and very reputable. Not best, not worst. Middle line product. He didn’t make them just purchased and force fitted in his custom cap. The next 2 have Ohlins. Again reputable but why the change? Why another 2 in a row? Better, possibly. Now to me, the seals should be the same for all his shocks for the spyder rt or f3 for consistency. Seals have nothing to do with weight and ride style. Maybe not but weird that seals changed 2 in a row. The last 5 are different yet. They are listed K-Tech. Again reputable and standard definitely different again . Now other things. The First 2 have McMaster part number using a split end piston. Why split? Seems a bit odd to me. The Other 7 are using a solid pin can’t figure out where they came from. Why the 2 different pin types? For the end cap and dust caps they say in-house. So he had the tubes or housing obviously sent out and produced somewhere else. The thread for the caps and ends match so are probably standard thread but he made with his CNC equipment. Why different seals? Couldn’t figure out which was better or worked better? Then why the difference in pin types? My guess the split didn’t work so changed it.

Next the oil. Won’t even say what it is but it’s no where’s close to amsoil! Again that’s normal for shocks I guess. I know for example KYB shock oil is nothing close to ams and that’s the first thing done or changed from the factory built shocks. These are custom high precision shocks and agin I’m not listing the oil but not the highest in my opinion. The only consistent part with all 9 was standard 14mm X-Ring. There is nothing special on this list other than the actual housing and The seals cap for the bodytube. He used standard BUNA O-Ring that you can get anywhere. The end parts and connectors again have multiple different numbers but I understand using different venders for same parts I assume. I can’t find those vendor numbers but guessing price related for changing parts. I totally understand the different companies for the springs. Those are custom for each and what makes it special for style and weight.

Now for the pistons. Only part numbers no company name. I found 2 of them listed under TRC pistons. My shock guy shook his head about that. We’ll just leave it at that. But for being told everything is in-house and custom made there’s only 2 parts I can see on list that can’t be purchased elsewhere. In my opinion seals are like tires. A company picks one manufacturer and stays with them. Same with pistons. Maybe changes for different models but all should be same for one model. The seals are reputable, some better than others in my opinion. The machining is good as in appearance. The entire shock is definitely well made and works. Problem is you have no clue what you have till it’s ripped apart. Why the different pins? Why the different seals? Why that oil? And where did these pistons come from? All custom made with custom parts? Nope I don’t think so. Just a custom tube and mass produced mixed parts.

Willing to share the part #'s? In my conversations with Marcus, he complained about all the leak problems he had with the Bilstein bearing head assemblies and had found something that would work much better. Not sure if that was truth or BS since he never delivered our shocks, but I could guess a seal spec'd for a Bilstein with the same shaft diameter would be a fit - I have a bunch of those on the shelf.

Oil - That's a whole 'nother can of worms in itself! Without knowing what oil your shock has in it, I'd only service them in pairs. I'm a faithful Amsoil guy and have probably $15K in inventory on the shelf, but I WILL NOT use Amsoil's suspension fluid in a shock due to its low viscosity index spec. The damping changes SO much through the temperature range that if you tune for say a 125° shock temp, it will be way too firm when cold and the opposite when hot. My KTM 1290 rear shock is right behind the exhaust pipe, so it starts off too firm and "goes away" as the shock temp exceeds 150°+. Using something from Maxima or Redline who shares the actual viscosity specs has been a huge help for me.

Any info you could share would help me service people on the West Coast should the need arise. I fully intend to make a new decision on what shocks to purchase and suspect they won't be to our liking out of the box as has happened with all of our ZJeep, truck, and moto suspension which has led to my custom tuning and tricked down to servicing people all over the world and a few locals too.
 
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I will. Either Ian or Travis will be able to tell me everything when it’s apart. I want to literally take these apart and see what I have. I have no idea if any of these part numbers are accurate or legit. I don’t want to start throwing numbers and find out I’m totally wrong. “If” my shock is indeed #2 build for the Gen 4 series and the numbers match all the diameters, seals match, rings, and piston matches, then I know. I am guessing his custom made new in-house top of the shock is what changed the original blow outs. Then again why does mine still have Bilstein listed? Mine would have been leaking by now if I had his original idea and it was not. My failure was due to foreign particles. I am sure of it. This shock is not an off-road build it was a road build. I am sure that if he would have stayed in business his next top end would have beefed up the seal connection. I also want to cool it a bit because I don’t want Marcus to start to think I am stealing something. I have no interest in building, redesigning, or selling shocks. I just want mine and possibly others to have some resources to rebuild them if necessary. I just want to know what I truly have before I start throwing nonsense. I have already said a bit more than needed at this point in all fairness to him.
 
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If you don't want to potentially clog up the internet with the wrong info, you are welcome to PM me.

Sounds like quite a few people here have selected M2 and the positive feedback combined with discussions with Marcus is what led me to choose him over one of the other options to start with. That said, selecting a guy who owns the machine and can make valving changes to suit if needed as well as service is always a plus. I really think we will see Marcus back in the scene on a smaller more manageable (Himself) scale, but we can't know for sure.
 
Anyone know the status of M2 shocks and Marcus? Been waiting more than 6 months for my order and received many promises but nothing has materialized. Even got a tracking number weeks ago but he never shipped and no response to emails anymore. Thanks
 
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Anyone know the status of M2 shocks and Marcus? Been waiting more than 6 months for my order and received many promises but nothing has materialized. Even got a tracking number weeks ago but he never shipped and no response to emails anymore. Thanks

in another M2 thread, there was a video of him talking about why he had to close if you can find it here. Yep, he's out of business now, not finishing up any old orders
 
Anyone know the status of M2 shocks and Marcus? Been waiting more than 6 months for my order and received many promises but nothing has materialized. Even got a tracking number weeks ago but he never shipped and no response to emails anymore. Thanks

See the link in post #2 of this thread... :rolleyes:

Here, I'll make it easy for you:

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...riences-with-Performance-shocks-for-2023-RT-s

That's the link from post #2 of this thread, minus the highlighted words I used to search for it; and in the thread that clicking on that link will take you to, there's a link in its post #14 to a vid from the man himself explaining all about it...

You're welcome. ;)
 
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I've got M2 4th Gen shocks on my 15 F3S, they handle great, But one of them has developed a leak and I'd like to get it rebuilt, now that Marcus has closed shop and is disappointingly ghosting everyone, does anyone know of someone who can rebuild one of the M2 shocks.
Don't know what happened to Marcus, all of my phone conversations with him were positive, I really enjoyed talking to him, jus my 2¢
 
I've got M2 4th Gen shocks on my 15 F3S, they handle great, But one of them has developed a leak and I'd like to get it rebuilt, now that Marcus has closed shop and is disappointingly ghosting everyone, does anyone know of someone who can rebuild one of the M2 shocks.
Don't know what happened to Marcus, all of my phone conversations with him were positive, I really enjoyed talking to him, jus my 2¢
I've sent an email to my shock rebuilder to see if this is something he can do. I'll let you know as soon as he responds.
 
I've got M2 4th Gen shocks on my 15 F3S, they handle great, But one of them has developed a leak and I'd like to get it rebuilt. Now that Marcus has closed shop and is disappointingly ghosting everyone, does anyone know of someone who can rebuild one of the M2 shocks.
Don't know what happened to Marcus, all of my phone conversations with him were positive, I really enjoyed talking to him, jus my 2¢
I dunno about Marcus 'ghosting' everyone, he went out of business and closed down September last year! 😖

And it's not as if he didn't tell everyone before this happened of the difficulties he was facing and his intentions to shut up shop completely back then! :( Just read all of this thread, or see the post immediately above yours and follow the links, maybe even watch the vid from Marcus... :rolleyes:

I do hope there's someone out there closer to you or even in the country who can help you. There was a mob here in South Oz who've helped out a couple of local Spyder Ryders with fixing that sorta problem, rebuilding other's specialist/OS sourced motorcycle shocks; altho I do believe that they're now spending more time and effort making 'their own' really good value and quality Spyder shocks now, rather than rebuilding any other makes. :unsure: There again, even if they were a last resort for you, I really think the freight charges and time involved in sending them here & back again from your part of the World would likely make it a LOT cheaper just to buy a new shock/set of shocks over there, even if you did get the most expensive of shocks :rolleyes: Or for a better value alternative, maybe you could talk to IKON in the USA - https://ikonsuspensionusa.com/ ;)
 
I'm guessing there really is no secret sauce to the M2 shocks, so I'd guess that there would be plenty of reputable suspension shops that could rebuild an M2 shock.
 
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