Looking to buy a Spyder RT-S Need Honest Input and Information i have thus so far

[Plazmon]

These are some of the things i have learned so far,i would welcome your Honest response-I own a Beemer and an Aprilia,looking to sell and buy a new RT-S but $30K is a lot of money,and i am doing my homework,help me if you can,good or bad,

The various paragraphs are from my research so far:>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The Y-configuration of the Spyder is a great innovation and is probably the best thing about the platform. It is far better than any conventional Trike out there in that respect. It's incredibly stable and is very comfortable and fun to ride. The community, especially on this site, is a wonderful group of people who are fun and extremely helpful.

However, I am learning that there is a ridiculous amount of electronics on these machines and they cause alot of trouble. The engines are so restricted you can't get any real performance out of it without doing major mods (this on top of the 20K you already spent on the machine) and the RT for all intents and purposes is so heavy compared to the RS yet they use the same engine and did nothing to up the HP to compensate. fuel economy is very poor for what is supposed to be a touring class machine.

Every time you enter a corner the VSS wants to either apply outside brake which messes with your line or cuts power to the engine which is just annoying! This is due to inferior suspension that makes the platform roll way too much, although as you go you find ways to take some of that out of play by learning to be smoother or just plain slowing down.

The shocks on the RT are improved somewhat in 2011 . Others owners have completely changed their suspensions to get better cornering performance, but again, $3,000.00 on top of the purchase price is just crazy. The brakes provide good stopping power, but they squeal like mad and there doesn't seem to be any fix. Even the new Gen3 pads didn't fix this problem. Some have found ways to quiet them down but they all sqeal.

The dealer network is not the best as i have found out,Car salesmen is the best description i can give them This is going to be critical because I am learning that these things see A LOT OF SHOP TIME!I Read the boards . Furthermore, BRP seems to have no clue when it comes to parts distribution. Waiting up to weeks to get parts when you need them. I am reading that the build quality of these machines is not up to par .

I am going to a dealer In AL to take a good, hard look at one.
Maintenence costs are excessively high. I am also reading that many have suffered various driveline issues that have ranged from front sprocket repair to complete engine swaps.

I Like to know the truth from all of your experiences,we all like to defend our rides but i am no Bike mechanic and need somethign reliable on the long rides which my Beemer is,i am looking for the same level,i love the way they luck,

Q: Does BRP not read these forums?

1. As you increase weight you need to increase the power
2. Fuel at almost $4 and more for premium,they need to look at hybrid
3. Passenges has a runner board and the driver a peg,why?
4. I am reading some ride on regular and some on premium which is the recomended fuel?
5. I would welcome your replies and input

 

[NancysToy]

However, I am learning that there is a ridiculous amount of electronics on these machines and they cause alot of trouble.

There is a ridiculous amount of electronics on the Beemer, and on all other modern vehicles, too. The Spyder is no exception. I don't think it causes excessive amounts of trouble, but it cannot be troubleshot by an owner.

The engines are so restricted you can't get any real performance out of it without doing major mods (this on top of the 20K you already spent on the machine) and the RT for all intents and purposes is so heavy compared to the RS yet they use the same engine and did nothing to up the HP to compensate.

Even the dealers cannot change the fuel mapping or the timing. A Juice Box Pro or similar device can be added at modest cost, but if you want excessive horsepower, look eslewhere. The Spyder has the horsepower it needs to do its job, although we all might like a bit more.

fuel economy is very poor for what is supposed to be a touring class machine.

You cannot compare this to a two wheeler. Mileage is characteristic of the large, three-wheeled breed.

Every time you enter a corner the VSS wants to either apply outside brake which messes with your line or cuts power to the engine which is just annoying! This is due to inferior suspension that makes the platform roll way too much, although as you go you find ways to take some of that out of play by learning to be smoother or just plain slowing down.

Not sure where you got this info. The VSS intercedes only if it needs to, as indicated by the sensors. Many riders have never seen the VSS come on at all. If you are riding so hard you see it in every corner, you may need a different kind of ride. Body roll has been improved with the RT 2011 suspension.

The shocks on the RT are improved somewhat in 2011 . Others owners have completely changed their suspensions to get better cornering performance, but again, $3,000.00 on top of the purchase price is just crazy.

This is a personal choice. The 2011 suspension suits me fine, far better than my 2010. Others prefer aftermarket. I'd suggest you try it before you either change it or complain about it.

The brakes provide good stopping power, but they squeal like mad and there doesn't seem to be any fix. Even the new Gen3 pads didn't fix this problem. Some have found ways to quiet them down but they all squeal.

The Gen3 pads on my 2011 are very quiet. The climate and how hard the brakes are used can affect the noise. Again, maybe you should try one and see if it meets your standards.

The dealer network is not the best as i have found out,Car salesmen is the best description i can give them This is going to be critical because I am learning that these things see A LOT OF SHOP TIME!I Read the boards . Furthermore, BRP seems to have no clue when it comes to parts distribution. Waiting up to weeks to get parts when you need them. I am reading that the build quality of these machines is not up to par.

There have been dealer and parts problems, but the majority of Spyders have not had these issues. The Internet blows things out of proportion. The build quality is not as bad as it sometimes seems by what you read.

Maintenence costs are excessively high. I am also reading that many have suffered various driveline issues that have ranged from front sprocket repair to complete engine swaps.

The maintenance schedule is on par with BMW. The costs are similar. There are some labor intensive tasks, however. There have been driveline issues, but few with the RT, thanks in part to changes that BRP made in response to earlier problems. The percentage of machines with serious problems isn't nil, but it certainly isn't as bad as you make it sound. All vehicle have failures.

I Like to know the truth from all of your experiences,we all like to defend our rides but i am no Bike mechanic and need somethign reliable on the long rides which my Beemer is,i am looking for the same level,i love the way they luck,

We have both two Spyders and some BMWs. My Spyders have never let me down, although they have worried me more than my Beemers, and have spent more time in the shop. Some people have had the same kind of problems with their BMWs, so you and I have been lucky. I don't think the reliability and support are quite up to the BMW level yet, but I am not afraid to hit the road on my Spyder. I have not ridden my BMW RT yet this year. Only you can decide if you are comfortable with the Spyder.

Q: Does BRP not read these forums?

Yes.

As you increase weight you need to increase the power

You actually need to increse the torque, which they did. The available powerplant either satisfies you or it doesn't. If you want more HP, look elsewhere. If you want a torque monster, look elsewhere.

Fuel at almost $4 and more for premium,they need to look at hybrid

This is in the design and prototype stages already, and the mock-up has been displayed at the shows. I doubt you will see it in the touring platform in the near future. Hybrid electric range is too short to give significant mileage improvements outside of commuter use.

Passenger has a runner board and the driver a peg,why?

Ask the engineers. That's like asking why a car has only two cupholders, or no MP3 input...it is what they decided on. Personally, I like it this way, and wouldn't have bought a machine with driver footboards. There are aftermarket footboards available.

I am reading some ride on regular and some on premium which is the recomended fuel?

Premium fuel is recommended for the RT, although it will operate on regular with some decrease in performance.

 

[Hobstopper]

I'll give this a try:


Power, I have a 2010 RT-S, we (wife and I) have traveled many miles 2 up pulling a fully loaded trailer. The power so far has been sufficient for what we have done, I have had a few times climbing the mountains in NC, TN and VA that I wish there was a little more power, but those were extreme cases being fully loaded pulling a trailer. Could it use a little more power, sure but for right now it is fine for us. The thing about the Spyder it feels so sporty, yet it is a tourer.
Synopsis, It is a touring machine that has a sporty feel so we tend to try to ride them that way. Could use a little more low end power for the times that we are fully loaded, sure.


Price, compare apples to apples, the Spyder is actually priced pretty good compared to what the cost would be for a trike conversion on a Honda or a Harley. You can get in to a new one for low 20,000, if you want the farkles then you can get up to the 30,000 range, but you can always start off cheap and add as time goes on.
Synopsis, for what you get the Spyder is priced pretty competively.




Suspension upgrade, dont know where the $3000 comes from, but with Elka's you can get them for under a $1000. I dont have them, I did upgrade to the 2011 shocks and for right now that is all I need and when I am one up I do ride pretty aggressively. I think what some people feel on the suspension is the fact the you can take corners so much more aggressively. I do have the suspension set to 4 and the front tires at 19. I have also changed out the rear tire to a passenger tire (Kumho), the rear tire change in my opinion has been the best ride feel changes that I have done, less squirely.
Synopsis, if you want to go aggressive and ride alot of two up through the twisties then a change may be in order, but alot of people change out suspension to after market on alot of different products, my truck for pulling my camper, my camper, peoples sports cars, peoples bikes. Suspensions are one of the most common after market upgrades that people do!




Maintenance, From what I have read maintenance is not that far off from most of the other dressed up bikes out there. Once again you have to compare apples to apples and look at other bikes that are dressed up more like the Spyder to get a fair comparison.
Synopsis, when compared to alike bikes the cost of maintenance is inline with the other bikes and you can reduce the cost by doing some of your own maintenance.




Mileage, once again compare apples to apples, this means trikes not 2 wheelers. The Spyder has three wheels, more rolling resistance, and a large front end. We also need to consider once again the sportier feel of the Spyder compared to other tourers. I ryde this thing as aggressively as any of the sports cars that I have owned, it just feels like it is ready to go.
Synopsis, when we look at what we have the mileage is not that far off. Can BRP do some things to possibly help the mileage, maybe, but it would not be that drastic, it is a trike not a two wheeler! BRP is currently working on a hybrid, so one day maybe.




Ryder comfort, everthing is there except for factory running boards and factory highway pegs. I do wish that the factory did offer these, but there are some creative people out there and you dont need to spend alot of money to get something you like if you are a do it your-selfer, if not there are still alot of options offered through several sources on the forum.
Synopsis, they are pretty close to have an absolute perfect tourig bike that you can ride for hours and not feel like you've been through the ringer.




Dealers, I have a pretty good dealer near me that I use, are they perfect no, but they are reliable. I have a pretty good relationship with them, they respect me and I respect them, I am to the point now that I can call them up and let them know that I have a problem, what the problem is and what warranty item would take care of it and they order it. I bring the Spyder in when part arrives and all is good. I have had the opportunity to talk to the techs and they know that I have a good working knowledge of the Spyder and I have also mentioned the wealth of information on our little corner of the world called spyderlovers.com.
I dont have alot of experience with other dealers, I have used Alcoa in TN to have the DPS recall done. They were professional, fast with the repair, and helpful over all. There needs to be more out there, but I hope that as the Spyder gets out there more and we customers continue to repectfully help BRP with their vision, that it will change for the better. I know that there are bad ones, but if we as customers dont take it, which sometimes means that we travel to another dealer or that we complain to our local dealer and they care, then maybe we can help to start changing it. I also know that there are many bad dealers out there for alot of other products, the difference is there is more of a choice out there so we may not have to travel as far to get satisfaction and I have done this many times in my life.



The wife and I may have gotten lucky and got a good bike, but so far we have had a blast with minimul problems and we would not hesitate one bit jumping on it tomorrow and taking a cross county trip (if I had the time and money). If I had the money I would have a second one in the garage in a heartbeat!



I know that there are people that have had serious legitimate issues, but like we all know on forms the negatives are maximized and the positives are minimized. I dont come to the forum and write about every time I have an awsome time on my Spyder, which would be almost everyday, neither does the majority that are currently registered on this forum. If I was to have a problem with my Spyder then yes I would probably post something on here to try to get help from the many very helpful, knowlegable, and friendly people that are members here!

Others will be on to give you there impressions, this is just mine and hopefully it helps.

 

[Dragonrider]

I went from a K1200Lt to a RS, then to the RT. If the RT was available when I bought my RS, I would have gone straight to the RT,

My RT is an "S" SE5. I bought it lightly used, and got the SE transmission in the deal, while I probably wouldn't have opted for it in a new bike, I find that I love the transmission.

Power is better than most Hardleys (except the V-rods and 103's), and will take you anywhere you want to go.

These are not two wheelers - handling is much different. These are not (rear wheel) trikes, they are FAR safer, and easier to handle. However, if you want a crotch rocket, buy one of those - none of the Spyders will perform like that nor are that uncomfortable. Having said that, I have changed my front shock with Works shocks, at $700 delivered and installed.

Maintenance costs and effort are very similar to that required by my KLT.

I highly recommend that you take the MSF trike course, then test ride the Spyder. If you want the stability, you'll never look at a trike or hack again.

If you need to compare the Spyder to something else, think of a snowmobile or ATV - handling and performance are similar.

If you want a ride that attracts attention, buy the Spyder. I have had zero serious issues with either of my Spyders, but parts failures on my KLT cost BMW over $4,000 in 18 months...

 

[dancogan]

Like any machine, the Spyder has its pro's and con's. I look at my RT-S as a touring machine, and here's what I see:

Pro's:

Incredible long distance comfort
Extremely well engineered trailer
Far more stable in turns than any two wheeler
Far more stable in rain than any two wheeler
Very relaxing ride
Very safe ride
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Con's:

Limited mileage between fill-ups: my max is 155 miles
Limited network of dealers if traveling in sparsely populated areas
Few dealers seem to carry an adequate stock of frequently needed parts
Very dependent upon its computers, limiting rider's ability to fix anything on the road other than a flat tire
Other brand motorcycle dealers will not be able to offer repairs - they need proprietary BUDS system and Spyder parts, including tires
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Is this an ideal long distance tourer? I personally don't think so, but for me the pro's outweigh the con's. While I was waiting for a repair (throttle position sensor, which resulted in a new throttle body) in West Glacier, Montana (what a place to break down) I saw a Gold Wing trike and trailer being hoisted onto a flatbed tow truck. All of a sudden I didn't feel so bad. I had a friend leave for Alaska early in June only to return home when the brake came off and took out his rear wheel and part of rear drive on his BMW 1200 GS. Another friend on a similar bike suffered a rear drive failure out west and was stranded for over a week waiting for parts and repairs.

Bikes are not nearly as dependable as cars. If you're going to tour by motorcycle then be prepared for problems, be willing to rent a car for a week or so if needed, or rent a truck and trailer to bring it home, and have a handy list of dealers to call in the event of a problem. (Thanks to the list Spyderlovers published that is on my Garmin and always lets me know the distance and directions to the closest dealer.)

 

[Dragonrider]

One more point - the RT comes in 4 flavors - and the A/C is, by far, the best buy. Find a deal on an nice 2011 A/C, and you can pocket the extra cash for road trips, or a nice two wheeler for memory lane rides….

 

[motoenthusiast]

I also had been weighing the pros and cons for buying a RT. My wife was going to sell her 06 Goldwing and buy a Spyder. I have a CSC Goldwing trike that I've been very happy with (75K on it) but my wife doesn't like the heavy front end steering. I've love the looks of the Spyder since they first came out and was pushing her in that direction for selfish reasons. I just think 3 wheels are safer than 2. I've read Goldwing and Yamaha forums for years, which kind of gives you a feel for what the bike is like and common complaints/problems with the vehicle. Proportionally speaking I've seen far more serious issues with the Spyder than I've seen over the years with Goldwings or my Yamaha Warrior. When a new member to our GWRRA group joined and we mentioned the RT, he had a horror story to relate with his RT and the lawsuit he has pending. I have the greatest respect for Lamonster and Big Red (I think that's his name, he has a Goldwing trike and RT) from reading their posts over the years on the GL1800Riders website. It just sounds like a crapshoot if you get a good Spyder or a lemon. I certainly mean no disrespect for all you Spyder owners but I'm not much of a gambler and this seems like a $30K roll of the dice.

 

[bullant12]

I own a Beemer and an Aprilia,looking to sell and buy a new RT-S but $30K is a lot of money,and i am doing my homework,help me if you can,good or bad

While :agree: with what everybody else has posted, I always tell people this about the price tag compared to other 3-wheelers: "So, you don't want to spend 25K on a :spyder2: but look a the other ones out there... HD makes their own at $30K+ and any other brand you would have to buy the conversion kit at around $15K+ the price of the bike, so in MHO, this is the cheaper version."

 

[spyryder]

I also had been weighing the pros and cons for buying a RT. My wife was going to sell her 06 Goldwing and buy a Spyder. I have a CSC Goldwing trike that I've been very happy with (75K on it) but my wife doesn't like the heavy front end steering. I've love the looks of the Spyder since they first came out and was pushing her in that direction for selfish reasons. I just think 3 wheels are safer than 2. I've read Goldwing and Yamaha forums for years, which kind of gives you a feel for what the bike is like and common complaints/problems with the vehicle. Proportionally speaking I've seen far more serious issues with the Spyder than I've seen over the years with Goldwings or my Yamaha Warrior. When a new member to our GWRRA group joined and we mentioned the RT, he had a horror story to relate with his RT and the lawsuit he has pending. I have the greatest respect for Lamonster and Big Red (I think that's his name, he has a Goldwing trike and RT) from reading their posts over the years on the GL1800Riders website. It just sounds like a crapshoot if you get a good Spyder or a lemon. I certainly mean no disrespect for all you Spyder owners but I'm not much of a gambler and this seems like a $30K roll of the dice.

I'm sure you've also heard of Fred Rau then::f_spider:

 

[SteveMac]

My honest opinion is that the RT could use better mileage (a larger engine, more torque and a lower first gear?) One other thing is a Bluetooth capable stereo. That should be the standard not only on the spyder but a lot of other vehicles as well.

Those are my primary gripes. Short list huh?

I can tell you I have had no serious mechanical problems. 5000 miles. A low charge on my battery and squeaky first gen brakes replaced at no cost under warranty. No squeaking now.

I absolutely love my RT. As mentioned, I do wish it got better mileage which is why I thought the powertrain changes I listed above would help. I ryde two up most of the time and have adequate power in and out of traffic. I just think the larger powertrain apparently helped the goldwing and it may help the RT also.

Never had the nanny kick in so I think you can disregard the overactive-nanny concern.

I read Scottys (NancysToy) comments to you. You should heed his advice. He has Spyders and I think 101 other bikes!

For me, The RT fits the way I ryde. My wife lives it and we enjoy our time on it. So if my complaints are only with mileage and no factory Bluetooth,,, then I think that can be taken as an endorsement from me.

Best of luck with your decision!

 

[motoenthusiast]

I talked to Fred Rau at one of our GWRRA meetings that he frequently comes to. Fred had put 51K trouble free miles on his RT the previous year. So, two RT's in the group, one very happy, one suing BRP.

 

[Pandy]

Big trip

Having just completed a 2500 mile round trip in 2 weeks on our RTS, we could not be happier with our little blue machine. In mostly 90 and above temps, rainstorms that had me driving the foglines until we could get off the interstate, the :spyder2: didn't miss a lick. With 2 rather well fed people on board and packed spaces, averaged a solid 29.2 mpg using various grades of gas and mostly freeway speeds. Oh, and the home stretch included the Dragon. We love it, will not willlingly go back to two wheels again.

Patrick

 

[retiredsquid]

We took delivery of our 2011 RTS SE5 Limited Spyder at the end of April and currently have almost 4,000 miles on the machine with over 2,500 of those miles in the past three weeks or so. Most of those miles have been in temperatures often exceeding three digits and riding at interstate speeds for extended periods of time.

So far not a single problem with the machine and I would not be afraid to head for Alaska today. The RT-622 tows behind like it isn't even there -- even here in the Ozark Mountains and I ain't a little fellow.

We are seriously talking about buying a second Spyder in the near future now that my wife has her MC endorsement and MSF Trike course out of the way.

I also wish the stereo system was Blue Tooth compatible. Floor boards and highway pegs should be a factory option, too. A Goldwing style vent in the windscreen would be a welcomed thing, too.

I have installed Elka shocks and it has made a huge difference in handling. We also went with Corbin saddle, seat back, and arm rests -- the gas tank cut-out is a welcomed upgrade, too.

 

[ThreeWheels]

I don't know. I have a 2010 RT-S. One of the very early production models.
When it works, the Spyder is great.
There have been just too damn many little things going wrong with it.
I have over 15K miles on it, and it's averaging a day in teh shop every 1200 miles. That's becoming wearisome.
It's never left me stranded though.
It's starting to remind me of my Chrysler Sebring.

 

[MouthPiece]

I read Scottys (NancysToy) comments to you. You should heed his advice. He has Spyders and I think 101 other bikes!

For me, The RT fits the way I ryde. My wife lives it and we enjoy our time on it. So if my complaints are only with mileage and no factory Bluetooth,,, then I think that can be taken as an endorsement from me.

Best of luck with your decision!

Although I deleted much of what this writer said, I agree with what was said abouty Scotty's comments.

I will say though that in stating your case, [not the person I just quoted, but the originater of this thread,] that in my opinion you have some preconceived notions, i.e., the vss/nanny always kicking in, [which it does not], ridiculous electronics [which everything these days has] which prevents you from being receptive to any opinions we render. I have no idea where you have come up with the notion that the vss/nanny kicks in all the time.

Chris

 

[dave01]

Honest input, here it comes: I have a Preproduction RTS and trailer package

Pro's:
Comfort for long rides. By long, I am talking 1400 miles straight
Stable, as long as you don't treat it like a streetbike
Dependable, mine has seen the shop very few times and I have a great dealer that has gotten me in and out quickly, without having to call Carlo
Visibility, with a few added lights, you can't miss these things

Con's:
Needs more cruising range
Dealers need to stock normal wear items
Mirrors, sorry BRP, you blew it on the mounting of these. They shake and its only time before you break one if you take the bodywork off much.
Lacking in power as I should not need to downshift as much to pass.
Maintenance costs, WOW
12K service, who ever came up with the valve inspection schedule didn't have much faith in thier engines

These are just my opinions though
If this post had come out when I had my Phantom, you all would have gotten tired of reading...LOL

 

[RetiredCGRider]

So as I see it you don't really want a Spyder, what you want is a Harley TriGlide Trike. To get enough power out of it you have to spend *****'s pay check in cams and pistons and heads, to get the power that a Spyder has stock.

Now you want to talk about ride, take a 1500 mile ride on the Triglide like we did. Yes I owned a 2010 Harley Triglide, first it had a rough ride bone shaking and the engine was so Hot it would burn your thighs at a stop (There is a Class Action suit against Harley because of that).
We took the same ride on our Spyder and had a great time, all the problems you talk about. There are no problems, and you can drive for years without a single problem. That is as long as you stay off of the Spyder forums, you get on there and start reading and your going to end up with problems.

Right now there just isn't a good air cleaner on the market for the RT-S, but as soon as it is I will install one along with a Power Commander V and have all the power I need.

Oh and by the way, I have a trailer that I can tow with my Spyder that will NOT VOID my Warranty, like Harley and Honda and all the other bike makers will if you tow a trailer!!!

So talk it down all you want, but I Like mine ALLOT!

 

[ARtraveler]

Scotty and others have given you some good information which answers the questions you posed to the site.

I am not going to try to give you a sell job--because you either want one or you don't--it looks to me like you don't.

There have been many issues posted on here about the :spyder2:--but the bad things get the most viewing time. Yes, there have been parts and mechanical repair issues--this is a new breed of bike and there have been a lot of bugs to work out. I note as time progresses--that there are less and less complaints about the machine as a whole.

I have owned 3 :spyder2:'s since their inception. I put a down payment down 6 months before we even knew we could get them in AK. My machines include an early 2008 GS-SM5 (pre semi auto), an early 2009 RS SE5, and #0474 of the 2010 RTS. I put 22,500 miles on the 08 before trading it off on the RTS--its still going strong. The ex has over 20,000 miles on her 2009, and I am approaching 20,000 miles on my 2010 RTS. I have had no major issues or down time with any of the three vehicles. 3 :spyder2:'s, 60,000 plus miles. I would do it all over again--but thats my opinion.

 

[Mexican]

23,000 on mine, it been at the shop only for oil changes and scheduled maintnence:agree::agree:

 

[ruthie]

In one of the post someone said that he didn't think it was a good touring machine so I was wondering why?

I have had my RTS SE5 for 8 months, it now has a little over 12,000 miles, the longest day ride was a little over 600 miles, yes was tired at the end of the day but was never uncomfortable on the :spyder2:.
Longest trip, so far, was 3011 miles. I travel with my hubby who is on a GL1800 Gold Wing and many times with a least 5 other Gold Wingers and they have not left me behind. So I'm very pleased with the power of the :spyder2:. I know you men out there would love more and more power.

My :spyder2: has done twist and turn in Virginia, West Virginia and Tennessee right behind the Gold Wingers and :spyder2: has never let me down.

One of my wishes is a dealer closer by but what a great reason to take a 2 hour ride.

Only major problem, at least to me, was after I had the CB installed it would continue to transmit after I let go of the button. Thanks to this forum I knew what needed to be done but it did take some hard words to the dealer service department and manager to get it repaired.

Yes, I highly recommend you take a Trike riding course. I took my through Gold Wing Road Riders Association (GWRRA) but Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) has a Trike course too. GWRRA is not only for Gold Wing, all bikers is welcome. Many GWRRA great chapters in Alabama.


Love my :spyder2:

This is a lady's view of the :spyder2:

You came to the right place to get answers to your questions. Hope you will be joining us soon