Left Turns/Curves Still a Problem For Me....

[waynerho]

None of you are addressing the question the OP posted of how to feel in control on a left-handed curve on an off-camber crowned road. Practicing in a parking lot sure isn't going to do it.

I was addressing the OP's question. The road camber rolls the body to the outside. Stepping down on the outside causes the sway bar to counter the roll.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

None of you are addressing the question the OP posted of how to feel in control on a left-handed curve on an off-camber crowned road. Practicing in a parking lot sure isn't going to do it.

The idea of practice on how the machine handles in a safe environment will assist the OP in what to expect, certainly is better than getting him killed by putting preasure on the inside peg/floorboard. Perhaps you need some more practice!:roflblack:

 

[UtahPete]

The idea of practice on how the machine handles in a safe environment will assist the OP in what to expect, certainly is better than getting him killed by putting preasure on the inside peg/floorboard. Perhaps you need some more practice!:roflblack:

I could always use more practice. The post you're referring to has been removed as I admit it was misleading. But at least I know how to spell 'pressure' :roflblack:

 

[Pirate looks at --]

I could always use more practice. The post you're referring to has been removed as I admit it was misleading. But at least I know how to spell 'pressure' :roflblack:

Spelling errors won't get him killed either. Having just passed through Utah, I know they have lots parking lots where you can follow your own misleading advice! You have way to much time on your hands to worry about some spelling pressure correctly!:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[UtahPete]

Spelling errors won't get him killed either. Having just passed through Utah, I know they have lots parking lots where you can follow your own misleading advice! You have way to much time on your hands to worry about some spelling pressure correctly!

I think when he was running for President with old "I can see Russia from my back porch", John McCain in response to a heckler said "The only trouble with mud wrestling a pig is both of you get dirty but only the pig enjoys it".

 

[Pirate looks at --]

I think when he was running for President with old "I can see Russia from my back porch", John McCain in response to a heckler said "The only trouble with wrestling a pig is both of you get dirty but only the pig enjoys it". [/QUOTE

Glad you enjoyed it so much. Make sure you wash behind your ears as the dirt gets pretty thick. It's a shame that you resort to calling names, even after you admittedly offered horrible, and dangerous advice to someone who is trying to learn how to do it right. In contrast, I offered proper technique for handling any turn, and a suggestion on how to safely get familiar with his new machine. So ryde off into the sunset, and I truly hope you have learned a little about how to ryde YOUR machine in a manner that won't injure you or anybody else you know. I also hope you learned a little about proper manners, it will serve you well!

Peace

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

CAMBER ????

I was addressing the OP's question. The road camber rolls the body to the outside. Stepping down on the outside causes the sway bar to counter the roll.

IMHO ...... centrifugal force is what does this ,not camber ....... Mike :thumbup:

 

[UtahPete]

It's a shame that you resort to calling names, even after you admittedly offered horrible, and dangerous advice to someone who is trying to learn how to do it right. Peace

I didn't admit to offering 'horrible, dangerous advice'. I admitted it may be misleading to a novice, so I removed it.
But anyway it's been nice talking to you. Peace.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

ROAD CAMBER

I didn't think there were Road engineers who ACTUALLY designed the roads to be OFF camber ..... maybe they don't in the Northeast because of all the ice we have to drive on ........ Mike :thumbup:

 

[UtahPete]

IMHO ...... centrifugal force is what does this, not camber ....... Mike :thumbup:

I think you're both right. Centrifugal force in a turn is going to make the bike lean to the outside. When that turn happens to be a left-handed curve on a road with negative camber, as with a high-crowned road, then this force is greater because of the camber. Thus, OP's feeling that he is about to be pitched off the bike in that situation.

 

[UtahPete]

In an off camber turn, the road sloping downward and away from the apex, I find pressing down on the outside peg or floorboard is even more important because I am counteracting not only the centrifugal force of the Spyder through the turn but also the outward and downward slope of the off camber roadway. Leaning into and toward the bars is again shifting my weight into the turn, just as in a normal curve. YMMV.

This makes total sense to me and doesn't contradict anything I have said, except in my earliest post when I suggested putting weight on the inside peg might help (and I have since admitted may be misleading to a novice).

 

[JayBros]

Off Camber Roads

Mike, Do you mean you have no roads in the NH mountains, like on multiple switchbacks up the side of a ridgeline? If so, that's great; but down here one can find them in lots of places. I think they're probably paved roads that were originally horse or wagon tracks. I think in winter many of them are just closed but don't really know because I don't head that way once I know the road crews may have been spreading salt.

 

[JerryB]

Hi UtahPete,

Re: "I can see Russia from my back porch", John McCain

I am not trying to pile on you. However, I do believe that statement ( or something very similar ) was by Ms. Palin, his running mate.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[UtahPete]

Hi UtahPete,

Re: "I can see Russia from my back porch", John McCain I am not trying to pile on you. However, I do believe that statement ( or something very similar ) was by Ms. Palin, his running mate. Jerry Baumchen

It was. Didn't I say that?

 

[Yazz]

Most of the advice here doesn't seem to address the question the OP posted of how to feel in control on a left-handed curve on an off-camber crowned road, when he feels like the bike is going to pitch him off.

Practicing in a parking lot sure isn't going to do it.

Our neighborhood has crowned roads for flood prevention. When I first got my GS, taking the left hand curve getting home was un-nerving. The body roll of the Spyder was very pronounced. The saddle of the GS/RS is barrel shaped, so I learned to shift my butt to the inside of the curve to counteract the Spyder roll and I was sitting upright, weight on the inside of the curve.

Thus began my drunk-monkey / hanging ham style of riding. Yup, I can shift and break in full control. Full speed ahead.

***Finally installed a BahaRon swaybar and the un-nerving Spyder body roll was gone.***

I got an F3 and tried to ride it like my GS and it was a no can do. Feet in a different position and the bucket seat wouldn't let me hang ham. Learned to ride it like most ya'll are talking about, pushing with the outside leg and leaning into the curve.

The moral of the story is, everybody's Spyder is set up different, everybody's body is different. You need to get out there and ride and figure out what works for you!

 

[UtahPete]

When I first got my GS, taking the left hand curve getting home was un-nerving. The body roll of the Spyder was very pronounced. The saddle of the GS/RS is barrel shaped, so I learned to shift my butt to the inside of the curve to counteract the Spyder roll and I was sitting upright, weight on the inside of the curve. *Thus began my drunk-monkey / hanging ham style of riding. I got an F3 and tried to ride it like my GS and it was a no can do. Feet in a different position and the bucket seat wouldn't let me hang ham. Learned to ride it like most ya'll are talking about, pushing with the outside leg and leaning into the curve. The moral of the story is, everybody's Spyder is set up different, everybody's body is different. You need to get out there and ride and figure out what works for you!

Love your colloquialisms! And your advice.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

OFF CAMBER ROADS

Mike, Do you mean you have no roads in the NH mountains, like on multiple switchbacks up the side of a ridgeline? If so, that's great; but down here one can find them in lots of places. I think they're probably paved roads that were originally horse or wagon tracks. I think in winter many of them are just closed but don't really know because I don't head that way once I know the road crews may have been spreading salt.

imo ... designing a road to be off camber on / in a turn makes no sense. That road is then designed to cause accidents !!!! .... and I find it hard to believe engineers are doing it ./..... I watched a video on U-Tube of a road that looked like you were going up-hill .... it was an optical illusion .... so what you may think is OFF camber ... may not be at all..... Eyes play tricks on us all the time ..... Have ever seen a road sign that said Caution grade 5 % ..... and as you went down you thought 5% ....He*l I'm going straight down are they kidding with that sign ..... just sayin...... Mike :thumbup:

 

[SteveLaoyster]

Our neighborhood has crowned roads for flood prevention. When I first got my GS, taking the left hand curve getting home was un-nerving. The body roll of the Spyder was very pronounced. The saddle of the GS/RS is barrel shaped, so I learned to shift my butt to the inside of the curve to counteract the Spyder roll and I was sitting upright, weight on the inside of the curve.

Thus began my drunk-monkey / hanging ham style of riding. Yup, I can shift and break in full control. Full speed ahead.

***Finally installed a BahaRon swaybar and the un-nerving Spyder body roll was gone.***

I got an F3 and tried to ride it like my GS and it was a no can do. Feet in a different position and the bucket seat wouldn't let me hang ham. Learned to ride it like most ya'll are talking about, pushing with the outside leg and leaning into the curve.

The moral of the story is, everybody's Spyder is set up different, everybody's body is different. You need to get out there and ride and figure out what works for you!

:agree:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

RIDING LIKE DUHAMEL

Our neighborhood has crowned roads for flood prevention. When I first got my GS, taking the left hand curve getting home was un-nerving. The body roll of the Spyder was very pronounced. The saddle of the GS/RS is barrel shaped, so I learned to shift my butt to the inside of the curve to counteract the Spyder roll and I was sitting upright, weight on the inside of the curve.

Thus began my drunk-monkey / hanging ham style of riding. Yup, I can shift and break in full control. Full speed ahead.

***Finally installed a BahaRon swaybar and the un-nerving Spyder body roll was gone.***

I got an F3 and tried to ride it like my GS and it was a no can do. Feet in a different position and the bucket seat wouldn't let me hang ham. Learned to ride it like most ya'll are talking about, pushing with the outside leg and leaning into the curve.

The moral of the story is, everybody's Spyder is set up different, everybody's body is different. You need to get out there and ride and figure out what works for you!

So Joy, now that you have the F-3 and your riding style is a lot different from how you drove your GS ie. " Duhamel " style ..... how much slower are you in comparison to what you could do on your GS.................Mike :thumbup:

 

[JayBros]

The off cambers we deal with are very tight 180s, 1st gear ones generally. Next time through one I will have to examine closely to be certain my eyes aren't playing tricks on me.