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LED vs High-end Halogen

Put generic LEDs in any old housing and get mediocre results. Pretty much as expected. Put lamps designed for the beam pattern of the housing they are going into and get MUCH better results.

All LED replacements are not created equal, and its not the wattage or lumens, its the light throw pattern and how it matches to the housing its being placed in.

The results shown in the video DO NOT correlate well with what many have seen using the Lamonster LED replacements that are specific to the spyder lamp housings.
 
Curious, what type of lights does Can-Am use? H-4, H-7? Special in-house?

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my dealer said they dont change bulbs, just swap out h/l
assemblies. say what ? i didnt even ask.
 
i had the high end halogens in my 09 RS and i replaced them with HID's which were awesome but the interference with the system finally got to me so i switched to LED's and they are almost as bright as my HID's with no issues, also put them in the fog lights, and i have but them in a buddies 13 St
 
Lamonster LED replacements that are specific to the spyder lamp housings. ??? I thought the H4 housing was universal?

 
Lamonster LED replacements that are specific to the spyder lamp housings. ??? I thought the H4 housing was universal?



H-4 is a style of lamp, it can be placed in many housings with varying reflector and lense arrangements. RT is a special case with its projector style lense. The LED replacement must be configured to work correctly with the specific reflector / lense arrangement its being placed in. They are NOT universal.
 
I have HID's in my 2014 RTL
both headlights and fog lights
I have had no problem with the interference with the Spyder electronics
To me they look like they project better than the LED,s and the Halogen bulbs
 
Please post a link to a published document from a LED manufacturer that states the led must be configuired to work correctly with the specific reflector /lens arrangement it is being placed in.

Sorry JC, I'm throwing the BS flag on what you are stating.

There may be some LED designs that are better optimized on how they position the emitters, but overall the H4 design is universal fit. Based on what you say, replacement halogen bulbs would not be universal, depending upon how the orient the wire filament.


You have completely misconstrued what I have stated. Its the fact that LEDs do not disperse light output the same way that a halogen lamp does that the specific configuration of the replacement LED module is so important to its function in the intended reflector assembly. I have first hand experience with a number of designs of replacement modules and their effectiveness varies widely. What works in one housing can work very poorly in another. I am not talking about how the lamp fastens to the rear of the assembly or the electrical connection. Those parts are indeed universal to the lamp style.
 
So what your saying is Lamont's LED's were designed specifically for the F3?

No, but out of the hundreds of available choices for lamp assemblies, quite a number were tried until a perfect match to the F3 reflector assembly along with very high build quality were found. That is what he sells. They may very well work in other vehicles and I know they are sold under other brands. Its just that the homework has been done for you. You know this particular one WORKS correctly in the bike. Many others, even very high quality ones DO NOT.

The RT is far less forgiving than the F3 with its projector housings.
 
No, I did not misconstrue any of what you posted. I am well aware of filament orientation of Halogen bulbs and the various styles of placing LED emitters onto the post in an LED bulb.

Some LED designs utilize a wide array emitter, while others use a less wide array emitter. Based on the emitters potential, they often configuire the LED bulb design to be two faceted or three faceted.

Based simply on your mention that LED bulbs are not universal, and specific to the housing, reflector, and lens, then the same will be true for a replacement halogen bulb, which then, I suppose needs to be purchased from Can Am to ensure the specific bulb is installed.

When you consider the design of a non projector headlight assembly, whether on a truck, car or Spyder. All are designed to project light forward and laterally horizontal. There is no purpose to design the light housing assembly to project forward and upward. I back this up by offering that people look at the curvature of the reflector, vehicles with non projector lights are this way.

Saying that, the bulb designers understand this and design bulbs in this configuration. The variable in design is the optimized focal point the light projects onto the reflector.

The most basic way to have seen this would be those of us that have used Mag Lite flashlights. As you rotate the end, the bulb is repositioned relative to the reflector. This give a range of true light output from worthless to functional. And when you looked close at the light output from the Mag Lite, many areas not illuminated from the poor output could be seen as dark areas.

If the LED uses low quality improper angle emitters, portions of the LED output may not fill the reflector, creating poor light output.

The lower quality LEDs and those with less Lumens do not fill the reflector fully or intensly to have good output. This is a quality problem based on cost. The LED remains universal, but like any low quality product, performance is poor.

I stand by my saying I toss the BS flag on your post. The LEDs replacements are universal, some are low quality and none are specifically designed for specific one application housing unless a special oem design.


No, that is not what I said or intended.

Let me be very clear and you can do what ever you wish. I am done arguing about the number if nits on the head of a pin.

My only point was, use the Lamonster Garage LED replacement modules for the F3 and RT WORK very well. Much better than as shown in that video comparing generic fit modules that likely had a poor match.

Use other than Lamonster garage LED replacements and you are on your own. May work, MANY do not work well at all.

There is NOTHING universal about LED replacement modules to go in a reflector housing designed for a halogen bulb. Just too many configurations and what works in one does not work in another.

You do as you wish, use last century vacuum tubes if you like, I was just relaying to folks on this forum one solution that DOES work. Some one has already done the leg work.
 
You have completely misconstrued what I have stated. Its the fact that LEDs do not disperse light output the same way that a halogen lamp does that the specific configuration of the replacement LED module is so important to its function in the intended reflector assembly. I have first hand experience with a number of designs of replacement modules and their effectiveness varies widely. What works in one housing can work very poorly in another. I am not talking about how the lamp fastens to the rear of the assembly or the electrical connection. Those parts are indeed universal to the lamp style.


Agreed, I just installed 2 sets of Lamonster LED on my 2 ST's and had to tune them (align the LED elements) to the the mirrors in the light's housing. There is a guage on the lamp and the offset from verticle is about -25 deg.
These LED's have two set screws on its mount which allow for the adjustment.
 
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