Is this stuff these people are saying true ???

[arntufun]

I myself recently purchased the Sypder because I think it's the hottest bike on the road. But... and I'm havings issues with svc. engine light and no power (5100 miles) as well as another gentleman that posted yesterday under the thread called "codes". His only has 1500 miles on it. Judgeing by what I'm seeing these are not isolated incidence. So as Spyderlovers, we are not going to say anything negative about what we own. So I began to search the internet for BRP dependability. Because as every spyder owner knows these by far are not cheap. And the below article from another website is just a sample from what I found. Please tell me what these people are saying is not true, because I love my Spyder !!!


02-08-2011, 09:39 PM
Dogdaz

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I looked at the spyder very close even went to two rallies and talked with owners. The plus is the wheels in front handle a little better and it has a little less vibration, and nobody makes a better engine than Rotax. Downside and I will only list a few important ones. They throw codes a lot and it goes into limp mode and you must get to a dealer to clear the code, running down the highway at 70 mph your engine is turning over 5000 rpms, hurts gas millage and reliability, breakdowns are numerous, heat problems on right side, the handling improvement is killed by electronic gadgets that protect the rider, the front shocks need replacing at purchase, and the sway bar also has to be replaced, the engine is only 992 ccs and does not have the torque to pull a thousand pounds of bike plus riders and gear. The list goes on. Go to the spyder forums and get a taste, there are three good ones. The Harley trike is not with out problems but most of the problems have answers, the right side heat can at least be fixed and they hold your investment much better. Check the price of a used Spyder, I think they have promise but it is a few years down the road. My two cents, Jerry
http://www.hdforums.com/forum/tri-glide-models/607955-hd-trike-versus-can-am-spyder.html

 

[Dragonrider]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. For me, the only Hardley worth a nickel is the V-rod. Additionally, take the trike rider safety course, and you probably won't want to be in the same county with one.

Every time I stop by my HD dealer (best leather stuff around), my RT gathers crowds, and I know I have sold at least two Spyders following these visits.

The only codes I have had after owning both the RS and RT, was one time following a poor dealer service. Nary a one after that.

Additionally, I have had fewer shop visits with my Spyders than were necessary with my V-rods.

Regarding longevity, no air-cooled motor will last as long as a water cooled motor, given good maintenance.

JMHO :chat:

 

[Roger]

The problem with the artical is it does not mention what year bike they are talking about but i will try and answer the questions they mention vibration in the handlebars tell me what bike does not anyway most people do 1 or 2 things 1 add anti vibration bar ends or they add different handlebars or risers which elimanate the problem. The other problem is codes and limp mode if you would tell your dealer the code he could tell you if it was some thing simple like a fuse or light which most people could fix themselves so you don't always have to rush to the dealer. The heat problem on the right side has been their since day 1 their are a couple of fix's none of which has been addressed by BRP one fix is sold by spyderpops on here and the other is by tricled i believe which is a metal shroud that goes around the fan and blows the hot air out the left side were it's blocked from hitting your leg. So even though these are concerns it's nothing that can not be fixed.

 

[jrbloise]

I myself recently purchased the Sypder because I think it's the hottest bike on the road. But... and I'm havings issues with svc. engine light and no power (5100 miles) as well as another gentleman that posted yesterday under the thread called "codes". His only has 1500 miles on it. Judgeing by what I'm seeing these are not isolated incidence. So as Spyderlovers, we are not going to say anything negative about what we own. So I began to search the internet for BRP dependability. Because as every spyder owner knows these by far are not cheap. And the below article from another website is just a sample from what I found. Please tell me what these people are saying is not true, because I love my Spyder !!!


02-08-2011, 09:39 PM
Dogdaz

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I looked at the spyder very close even went to two rallies and talked with owners. The plus is the wheels in front handle a little better and it has a little less vibration, and nobody makes a better engine than Rotax. Downside and I will only list a few important ones. They throw codes a lot and it goes into limp mode and you must get to a dealer to clear the code, running down the highway at 70 mph your engine is turning over 5000 rpms, hurts gas millage and reliability, breakdowns are numerous, heat problems on right side, the handling improvement is killed by electronic gadgets that protect the rider, the front shocks need replacing at purchase, and the sway bar also has to be replaced, the engine is only 992 ccs and does not have the torque to pull a thousand pounds of bike plus riders and gear. The list goes on. Go to the spyder forums and get a taste, there are three good ones. The Harley trike is not with out problems but most of the problems have answers, the right side heat can at least be fixed and they hold your investment much better. Check the price of a used Spyder, I think they have promise but it is a few years down the road. My two cents, Jerry
http://www.hdforums.com/forum/tri-glide-models/607955-hd-trike-versus-can-am-spyder.html

Funny.....I have just over 32,000 miles without any troubles on my 2009 Spyder SE-5. Ever watch the news on tv? The media is full of all the bad stuff that happens in the world. Reminds me of the "entertainment" in the Roman days when a person was thrown into the closed off arena only to be eaten by lions! I remember a news caster who had a smirk on his face as he announced that 22 children were killed in a school bus accident.

The post you found is by a guy who obviously is a Mr. Perfect type fellow who expects everything to work flawlessly. This will never happen in real life. We all hope for the best and most people deal with problems as they arise. Remember: for every problem - there is a solution. Take the bike to a dealer and get the problem fixed, it's as simple as that. For the few people who have problems and think it's the "end of the world", get real and accept the laws of the universe! ie: no up without down, no white without black, no dark without light, etc. etc. Everything has it's opposites, so accept the fact the Spyders will have problems and Spyders will not have problems. Here's an optimistic thought>>>>The problem free Spyders far outweigh the problematic Spyders, so the "good" here seems to out weigh the "bad".

John

 

[Dudley]

We are on our 2nd Spyder, a 2010 RT. The first one, a 2008 SE5, took us 43,000 issue-free miles (meaning we never broke down). To make it tour worthy we added a Corbin seat, a BRP back rest, taller wind shield and saddle bags. The RT is a barebone, but has everything we will need. Most things mentioned by the article you read: replacement of shocks and sway bar are owner choices; the heat on the right side, what engine on any bike doesn't give out heat?; the stability system is there for safety reasons...if you didn't have it, your chance of getting hurt would be greatly increased; the Rotax is a high RPM engine, that's where it excels, the gas mileage is more affected by the 3 wheels vs. 2 instead of the high RPMs.
In summary, we who ride the Spyder, ride it because we want to. We know that we may one day encounter problems, but if we do we deal with it. If I had believed all I had read when I first started looking at the Spyder I would never had bought one. I bought it in faith and never looked back.

 

[fordguyupnorth]

having come from a harley myself as many of us probably have, i can offer a real comparison as well. i purchased a brand new 2011 rts and had it for ONE DAY! when i had to take it back because the air ride didnt work properly..... i still wouldnt trade my spyder for any bike harley makes! i had a $36,000 screamin eagle ultra and my statement still holds true! in my opinion the only "up" that any manufacturer has on the spyder is........drumrole please........the dealer network. my opinion is that is the only valid argument anyone has. harley has established a WORLD CLASS dealer network and brp is in the adolescent stages of the spyder so it shouldn't be expected that they would have that kind of dealer network .....yet. i am here to tell you, they will! the spyder is EVERYTHING we look for in a freedom machine, WITHOUT some of the uncertainties that come from 2 wheels. if you cant get past the idea of having two wheels, or your so closed minded ( as the one guy in the article was " shoot me behind the shed" guy) then buy a two wheeler. one thing you wont find here is anyone making ridiculous statements about anyone elses choice in riding! :doorag:

 

[bullant12]

There are many factors that tribute to "Good" and "Bad" :spyder2:'s... Sometimes the "critics" forget details on how their product got the way it is; How they ride and the type of service they give it. The :f_spider: is a very sophisticated machine... It needs a lot of TLC and maintenance is as tedious as any European luxury machine and the computer of a Saturn Rocket.

So are these "critics" hard riders and never check their machines before and after a ride? Are they following the specs by the book or just following their instincts that have learned over the years riding other bikes like Harley's, Indians and Triumphs? You have to read people that have years of experience like Lamont, Fred Rau and even Scotty (NancysToy) that have years of motorcycle experience and LOVE their :spyder2:s. And I'm sure that they know that this being a different type of animal, different maintenance and riding routines have to be followed, instead of following years of motorcycle riding experiences. I even ran into a owner that told me he would not trade his Spyder for 10 Harleys and has put in over 6000 miles on it.

I for one, this is my first machine (trike) and I love it. Never rode any two wheel motor vehicles until I did the MSF class and I would ride trikes than bikes simply because of the feeling. And the :spyder2: gives even a safer feeling with the 2 wheels in the front than in the back. I trust my dealer, they have giving me a low down of what to expect from them and that is what I do every time I buy a sophisticated machine. If I don't feel confident, I don't buy.

In conclusion, we can always say :shemademe_smilie:

 

[IWN2RYD]

Name us one Bike Manufacturer with over 35k bikes sold in the history of man kind that only has good things and no bad. Or for that matter name one that does not have room for improvement after 10+ years in business (or 20 or 30 etc).

We are humans and all have opinions. We all have issues and trouble free times.

I would not ever trade my Spyder in on a two wheeled anything after owning the RT and RS.

One other comment...

I got FAR more heat off pretty much any other full sized two wheeled machine than I do the Spyder. Mostly because of there not being as much Tupperware to cover it up.

The problem with the Spyder is mostly the different owners it is attracting. So for a person coming from a cage would notice it right away and may see it as an issue. That said I do understand a few folks really did not like the amount of heat that their particular ryde presented to their right foot. So a few inexpensive aftermarket items have been designed and put into use.

So that is a good option for folks if they personally find the need. So far with all our gear and boots I cannot find any discomfort with the RS. But Summer is not here yet either :2thumbs:

 

[fispyder]

I brought my :spyder:RT in Augest 2910. Have 7,000 trouble free miles on it so far The only time it has been to back to the dealer is for BRP recalls. The 2 dealer in my area are super to deal with. Can't conplain about anything about the :spyder:I just need to ride it more, planning on doing that this year.:thumbup:

 

[BajaRon]

Long read, sorry about that. But being a Fan Boy, you know I had to jump in on this one.

I agree with Dragonrider. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just do a search on HD issues if you want to see a long list. Yet thousands ride and enjoy them. And I'm all for it!

The key to this guys post is in the last line. 'My two cents, Jerry'

Does the Spyder have issues? You bet! Show me a vehicle that does not have issues! Want to buy a Toyota? The question is, how serious and how prevalent are they.

Amazes me that a few Spyder owners sold their ride because someone else had problems. Their Spyder performed flawlessly, but they got caught up in someone elses issue and couldn't take it. Group think?

This guy is assembling some real and some fabricated negatives as if they were universal. And he is flat wrong on some things.

I've rated the statements, not the person, as he does not have (or claim) first hand knowlege. This is just what he has heard. And, as always, it's just my opinion of his opinions.

I looked at the spyder very close even went to two rallies and talked with owners. (Good idea if you're looking to purchase. A+ here)

The plus is the wheels in front handle a little better and it has a little less vibration, (Don't know about the vibration, but a little better than what? The Spyder handles a LOT better than a conventional trike, and as good or better than many 2 wheeled machines, won't stay with a sport bike, C)

and nobody makes a better engine than Rotax. (Agreed, Rotax is a very good motor, A+)

Downside and I will only list a few important ones. (Really? Just a few? If they are important, why not list them all?)

They throw codes a lot (Take a poll, Mine has never thrown a code in 20k+, and you'll find most have not, D)

and it goes into limp mode (Does he mean it goes into limp mode every time it throws a code? Most codes do not cause a Limp Mode issue. Not accurate, F)

and you must get to a dealer to clear the code, (Not necessarily, and you don't even have to clear the code if it doesn't interfere with operation, D)

running down the highway at 70 mph your engine is turning over 5000 rpms, (I think it's actually turning 6,000 rpm at 70mph (which is, admittedly, over 5000 rpm), but so what? The Rotax is designed to turn at this RPM)

hurts gas millage (Maybe a little, but it is the aerodynamics that do the big damage to MPG, not RPM. So buy a MoPed! I hear they are reliable too! C+)

and reliability, (I thought we had the best engine made? RPM does not hurt reliablity on a motor designed for it. So, the Harley turns a LOT slower than our Spyder. How has that worked out for HD reliability? Doc has 100K on his Spyder and a lot of that is with a Turob! Try doing that on a Harley! F)

breakdowns are numerous, (Really? So the people this guy talked to were walking? F)

heat problems on right side, (Some people got a hot foot on the older models, easily fixed, corrected on current Spyders. This is a serious problem? F)

the handling improvement is killed by electronic gadgets that protect the rider, (Absolutely wrong! Some maneuvers are hindered but handling is not 'Killed' by electronics, the Nanny can be managed quite nicely with improved riding habits, protection for the rider is a bad thing? BOGUS! F)

the front shocks need replacing at purchase, (Again, BOGUS! I am still running stock shocks. Some prefer to upgrade the shocks. But this can be said of the seat, windshield, exhaust, tires, paint and anything else an owner would like to upgrade. Now let's check out a list of things that need to be upgraded on a Harly out of the box, shall we? F)

and the sway bar also has to be replaced, (Again, BOGUS!. There are thousands of owners who have not replaced the stock sway bar and are completely satisfied with their Spyder. For some, upgrading the sway bar is a plus, but it certainly isn't a requirement! F)

the engine is only 992 ccs and does not have the torque to pull a thousand pounds of bike plus riders and gear. (998cc's, but not worth the quibble. But it's amazing isn't it? Hundreds of RS and RT owners doing exactly this without issues. Check out Lamon't post, he just did 600 miles to Daytona! Have you heard any complaints about this? Now, the Harley Trike is Light as a Feather and has GOBBS of power! Let's get one of those! F)

The list goes on. (If it's more of this kind of Bogus issues, then it's no list at all)

Go to the spyder forums and get a taste, there are three good ones. (Very good idea! A+)

The Harley trike is not with out problems (You don't say!)

but most of the problems have answers, (Kind of like the minor issues with the Spyder?)

the right side heat can at least be fixed (What! Heat issues on the Right Side! Horror! What will Chicken Little have to say about this!?)

and they hold your investment much better. (I agree, ride a HD Trike, ride a Spyder, check your wallet and then decide. If you're buying for resale value, look into gold coins!)

Check the price of a used Spyder, I think they have promise but it is a few years down the road. (I don't know about that, I've already gotten 3 years and 20K+ worth of promise out of my Spyder!)

My two cents, Jerry (Exactly!)

The most serious issue with the Spyder, in my opinion of course, is the DPS problem. This guy does not mention it at all. But this issue is now a Non-Issue since the recall.

The Spyder does have issues. But they were never universal or even wide spread (other than the DPS). And each one has been address by BRP.

My take, my 2 cents!

 

[ARtraveler]

You are going to find many negative posts about the :spyder2: on the various forums. The forums offer a platform for those who have problems legitimate or otherwise to vent their issues. Those who are most vocal seem to get the most attention. There has been a fair share of mechanical things with the :spyder2: since its inception. This happens with new vehicles--especially ones that are as high tech as the :spyder2:. It appears that most have been solved and BRP is working towards a better machine. I believe that some problems are caused by dealers that are lacking in technical expertise. They set things up wrong, forget things during mechanical operations, or just mess things up due to inattention or inexperience. The places with bad mechanics get mentioned and they usually don't stay in business. This forum has its share of people posting problems and complaints. In most cases, someone comes on with a fix or a suggestion to getting the problem(s) solved. My personal expeirence: I bought one of the first--sight unseen--because I had to have one. I knew it could be a gamble--but I did it anyway. Drove my 2008 for a year and a half--over 20K miles--no problems at all. Bought spouse a 2009 semi-automatic--she is still driving it. 20K miles--no problems. Traded 2008 for 2010 RTS premier edition--13K miles--had DPS steering issue fixed and wobbly gas guage fix. No other problems to report. I have a very good dealer who has a competent service department and am very happy with my Spyders and experience so far. I cant afford to get a 2011--so I guess my only disappointment is that I will not be a 4 :spyder2: owner at this time.

 

[JJW SpyderRider]

I have an '09 GS with 5000+ miles. It has only been back to the dealer for the DPS recall period! I have not had any codes or limp home mode and don't think about riding a long distance and having a problem.

I was with a coworker thia past week who owned a HD trike for a month. Sold it and went back to two wheels. The handling was bad on corners, the front wheel would get the wobbles, and his wife felt like she was going to be thrown off the back on every turn.

I love my GS and plan on spending a lot of quality time on it for years to come.

 

[fordguyupnorth]

I JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH BAJA RON!!! LOVE IT!!:2thumbs:

 

[Yazz]

BahaRon, you said it best! :agree: :clap:

Why worry about advice given by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

 

[Brunswick]

I found a forum last fall where several people were talking about how dangerous the Spyder was and they're lucky they sold theirs before they got killed. From reading their comments, it was obvious these a$$-clowns had never actually sat on a real Spyder, much less riden or owned one. I joined that forum (it was a general MC forum, not Spyder specific) and called them out and that thread just kind of died. Some people seem threatened (or something) by the Spyder and want to see it fail - not sure why...
Like everything on the internet, take what you read with a grain (or a pund) of salt. Maybe we should all seek out and counter the negative propaganda so it doesn't kill the product (if Canam doesn't sell enough if these, they will eventually give up).

 

[BajaRon]

I found a forum last fall where several people were talking about how dangerous the Spyder was and they're lucky they sold theirs before they got killed. From reading their comments, it was obvious these a$$-clowns had never actually sat on a real Spyder, much less riden or owned one. I joined that forum (it was a general MC forum, not Spyder specific) and called them out and that thread just kind of died. Some people seem threatened (or something) by the Spyder and want to see it fail - not sure why...
Like everything on the internet, take what you read with a grain (or a pund) of salt. Maybe we should all seek out and counter the negative propaganda so it doesn't kill the product (if Canam doesn't sell enough if these, they will eventually give up).

Some of the problem are 'Haters'. People who hate anything that isn't their brand.

Ok, so I don't own a Harely, never have. HD just does not appeal to me. So what? I dont' hate them, I just don't ride them.

I don't necessarily want to see everyone riding a Spyder, so why do some want everyone to ride their brand?

My brother-in-law rides a Harley and loves it! More power to him. Why should it bother me that he doen't want a Spyder? My brother rides an FJR and thinks the Spyder is a joke! (not so much since we did the twisties together awhile back).

Again, so what? Why should it bother me what someone else thinks? If I like it, I like it. And beleive me, over time, the Spyder skeptics are coming around.

Ride what you like, and like what you ride. But let the other guy do the same thing. It's all good!

 

[fastfraser]

:2thumbs: SPYDER SPYDER SPYDER:2thumbs:

 

[bullant12]

:agree::agree::agree:WAY TO GO RON!!! Could not have said it any better!!!:clap::2thumbs::clap:

 

[bikeguy]

BajaRon is exactly right in both posts. Why should I care what some other rider thinks about the brand that I ride? I have 12,700 trouble free miles on my 2010 RT. Mine went into limp mode once for some unknown reason. I stopped, took the key out and re-started it and limp mode was cleared, never to happen again.

Harley-Davidson is to be commended for being an absolutely miraculous American success story. As an American I'm proud of H-D's ability to compete with the rest of the world and give no quarter. But that didn't happen without a lot of hard work and a lot of failures along the way. And it also would not have worked without a loyal customer base that stuck with Harley through thick and thin and, as anyone who rode or was familiar with H-D back in the '70's knows, there was a lot more thin than thick for a good while.

If you ride, I'm proud to know you. It don't matter what you ride.

Cotton

 

[SpyderRider]

BahaRon!!! :agree: :clap::clap::clap: