Installed HID lights and spyder went CRAZY!!!

[ARCTIC]

Hi, i have hid on head and fog light without any problems
i try a lot of brand and the only one without
nany problems is KBcarstuff a sponsor
http://www.kbcarstuff.com/Xtreme-Digital-HID-Kits-p/xt-hid.htm

This IS the KBcarstuff kit that I'm fighting :banghead:

 

[va2djd]

Give them a call

 

[ARCTIC]

Give them a call

Already did. They've never heard of this type of issue :shocked:.

 

[r1100rider]

Already did. They've never heard of this type of issue :shocked:.

Sure funny they never heard of this I called them with the same questions a month ago and they never heard of it then either but they were going to talk to Tec and call me back with an answer still waiting

 

[r1100rider]

My wife's bike gave us fits when we tried to start it. The high voltage spike after the motor starts and the lights fire up seemed to kill the ignition. I installed a direct FUSED line from the battery to a relay triggered by a wire that gets hot when the ignition switch is turned on. This way when the ignition is turned on the lights light so the electric surge is over when the bike starts. We have had NO problems since. The relay trigger takes very low current so can be hooked to any switched accessory wire in the fuse box. The direct feed wire from the battery eliminates all current draw through the Nanny. Also the lights stay on for twenty seconds after the key is turned off, until the time delay shuts off. If interested, PM and I can explain it better.

i got to thinking if that works so would triggering the lites with the handlebar sw and then hitting the starter tried it and it works

 

[ARCTIC]

i got to thinking if that works so would triggering the lites with the handlebar sw and then hitting the starter tried it and it works

I tried that and it didn't work on mine. Pulled the trigger, waited 30 or so seconds for the lights to warm up and continued to hold the trigger while pushing the start button and no luck

 

[ARCTIC]

Ok.... Here's a list of what I've done (all I can remember)

• Tried moving ground
• tried running with just one light at a time
• unmounted the balasts and had them OUTSIDE of the plastic and separated from one another and placed in MANY different places within wiring reach of the headlamps
• tried switching the polarity of the hookups at the headlights.
• Experimented with different ground hooks
• the hot wire is routed directly to the battery. AS is the ground for most of the tests.
• wrapped the balasts in tinfoil :roflblack:
• had the lights on and warmed up before starting.
• had the bike running and then fired up the lights
• had jumper cables ran to my 3/4 ton diesel truck with dual alternators and dual batteries while it was running. tried different timing of engine starts vs light starts and different positions of the balasts.

My final analysis is.......... IT WON'T WORK WITH THESE DAMN LIGHTS

I'm going to quit and patiently wait for my high powered halogen lights while I still have a functioning starter on my Spyder. :banghead:

 

[DrewNJ]

My final analysis is.......... IT WON'T WORK WITH THESE DAMN LIGHTS

I'm going to quit and patiently wait for my high powered halogen lights while I still have a functioning starter on my Spyder. :banghead:

Believe me....I totally feel your pain... :sour:

 

[va2djd]

KBcarstuff and xenon depot they are not the same
you said I bought the HID lighting kit from Xenon Depot
i don't know if they have the same quality of ballast ?

 

[ARCTIC]

KBcarstuff and xenon depot they are not the same
you said I bought the HID lighting kit from Xenon Depot
i don't know if they have the same quality of ballast ?

They are the same. Xenon Depot is sold through KBcarstuff.com Everything the user on here named "xenondepot" sells goes through the site KBcarstuff.com. I think (not sure) that the xenon depot is their store branded collection of HID lighting kits. Kinda like craftsman tools sold through sears. Type in www.xenondepot.com on your web browser and see where it takes you. I do not see anywhere on their website where they sell anything but xenon depot labeled HID kits. John and Danny are the two that I have spoke with at KBcarstuff. For clarification, my kit is the xtreme kit which is supposed to have the higher quality components.

 

[ARCTIC]

Well,
KB is advising me to try eliminating the relay and power the system directly from the headlight wires because they think that my issue could be from not having a load on the headlight power wires. They never mentioned this in my initial call. I already have the whole thing uninstalled and boxed up. I MIGHT try to unplug the headlights to test their theory. Does anyone know if this is a possibility?

 

[ARCTIC]

It will run without the relay's in there BUT.... Won't start when you have the headlights on. So if you start it, turn the key off and then back on it will keep the headlights on and won't start. It's very strange. It kicks out the starter.

 

[va2djd]

Mind are install without the realay on head and fog and no problem with nanny

 

[ARCTIC]

The fawking thing still does weird chit with the lights. Sometimes the high/low shutter flickers rapidly and the engine sputters. :banghead:

 

[NancysToy]

Have you checked your battery condition and connections? It sounds like a bad battery may be aggravating the issue.

 

[ARCTIC]

Have you checked your battery condition and connections? It sounds like a bad battery may be aggravating the issue.

I guess I haven't gone back to hooking jumper cables up to the truck without the relay's

 

[ARCTIC]

Ok, I stuck with it and ruled out EVERY POSSIBLE scenario. Tried it with the jumper cables hooked up and It still does weird stuff. Sometimes it takes 2 or three attempts to start the bike. Sometimes it starts and runs but kinda sputters before it pulls through. I'm quitting on them. The PIAA bulbs are nearly indistinguishable between them and stock. Not worth spending any money for the swap. I'm back to pretty much stock but it'll start and run everytime I push the button. I would consider offers on the HID lighting kit if anyone out there wants to give it a try opcorn:

 

[cjackg]

Ok, I stuck with it and ruled out EVERY POSSIBLE scenario. Tried it with the jumper cables hooked up and It still does weird stuff. Sometimes it takes 2 or three attempts to start the bike. Sometimes it starts and runs but kinda sputters before it pulls through. I'm quitting on them. The PIAA bulbs are nearly indistinguishable between them and stock. Not worth spending any money for the swap. I'm back to pretty much stock but it'll start and run everytime I push the button. I would consider offers on the HID lighting kit if anyone out there wants to give it a try opcorn:

Seems pretty clear that the Xenon Depot type hids are the problem.... Are you not getting any help from them on resolving this?
They are a sponsor but when I had an issue with their fog light kit they were scarce and not at all helpful. Some sponsors are lots better than others and many will jump at the chance to resolve a problem like this...

 

[ARCTIC]

Seems pretty clear that the Xenon Depot type hids are the problem.... Are you not getting any help from them on resolving this?
They are a sponsor but when I had an issue with their fog light kit they were scarce and not at all helpful. Some sponsors are lots better than others and many will jump at the chance to resolve a problem like this...

I calmly discussed it with them a couple times on the phone. On the first call they told me that Danny would look at my thread on here and try and troubleshoot and respond. I've seen no response. They are pretty much calling it a freak deal. I'm on my own because they have been installed. They offered to sell me bulbs at cost for another application if I wanted to put them on another vehicle... I've done nothing wrong but I'm picking up the tab.:gaah: I'm not real impressed

To qualify my abilities so you don't think I'm some sort of a dumbazz.... I've installed multiple high powered car stereos and boat stereo systems, wired and rewired many trailers. Rebuilt and installed snowmobile motors. Worked in the service department at car dealerships all through high school and college.

 

[Mavericklion79]

I bought the HID lighting kit from Xenon Depot. Spent an insane amount of time getting the spyder tore down and carefully routing wires and securing all wires from harms way. Tested the lights and they fire up with the trigger switch on the right handlebar PERFECT... Tried starting the spyder and it fires for 5 seconds then kills the motor and the display says " VSS fault" and "check DPS". I cannot get the spyder to run with the headlights connected. If I pull the fuse it will start and most times have a very high idle and other times run just fine. :dontknow::dontknow::dontknow: If it pull the fuse for the headlights and start it and then push the fuse in while it's running.... sometimes it revs the engine up and won't idle back down and other times it kills the engine instantly. Anybody got any ideas???? Frustrated doesn't even begin to describe my HID venture :banghead:

This same exact situation is happening to me. I am finished hooking everything up on my 2011 RS (headlights and foglights), but when I try to start the bike, it goes straight to VSS fault. I contacted John from Xenon Depot and he told me I needed to purchase the inline capacitor they sell to fix the problem (CBFIX). I am skeptical about this working, but I am going to try. This has been frustrating to say the least.