Imagine my surprise

[shakin_jake]

When I touched the buttona (pronounced Boo-Tahn-Ah) and she said “forget it Jake, I’m not going anywhere w/o a jump”. Okay, she really didn’t talk to me (She, is a 2021 Chalk RTL), and if you haven’t figured it out, my battery when I went to hop on this morning and head to the local tag office to make the plate legal was flatter than a 10 year old girl’s…nebber mind<LOL>

If you’ve been following my other thread, I left my new RT up at my horse barn (attempting a cat delete currently), and not mentioned, I haven’t ridden her much lately (she’s a she but I haven’t named her yet) but, I’ve been listening to the ray-did-i-o while getting the horses buckets they eat out of filled with sweet feed, hay in the wheelbarrow, etc. I’m just surprised the battery couldn’t handle what little bit of air time I have it on (the radio)

So I went into town using Betsy, our 2010 F-250 as i had other errands to run. Anywho, by the time I got my running around finished and put a battery charger on the RT’s battery, it was 6PM. Okay, for the detail oriented amongst you, the battery charger is a Battery Tender Plus (Deltran), it puts out 1.25 amps at the most then will float down (amperage) when fully charged. 8 hours later (2AM this morning) I thought I’d go up there just to check up on the charger, half expecting to see the light flashing green, indicating it’s 80% charged but no, it was still steady red. I guess she was flat

For those familiar with the RT’s frunk, I’m guessing the hole I’m pointing to would be an ideal place to use to run a battery pigtail in through, and yeah, I removed the rubber plug that was covering that hole. Not that anyone asked but being the overly cautious type, I disconnected both battery cables before hooking the charger up


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.

 

[PW2013STL]

Sounds like a bad battery. If your Spyder is less than 6 months old (since you purchased it) the dealer should replace it under warranty. I have found new batteries to be less than fully charged. I put new batteries on smart chargers (like what you have) as soon as possible until I get the solid green light. Makes the new batteries last longer.
I have a different brand of smart charger that shows the % of charge, and I was surprised that a new Interstate battery for my car only showed 25% charge. Took over 8 hours at 1.75 amps to bring it to 100%.

 

[fredgal]

i have a 2020 left over, purchased about 6 months ago, charger would never go solid green, 2 weeks ago it was totally dead, called dealer, they gave me a new one under warrenty, i suspect the battery was bad fron the start, because the new battery goes solid green in a few hrs.

 

[Piratezz]

......
For those familiar with the RT’s frunk, I’m guessing the hole I’m pointing to would be an ideal place to use to run a battery pigtail in through, and yeah, I removed the rubber plug that was covering that hole. Not that anyone asked but being the overly cautious type, I disconnected both battery cables before hooking the charger up ......

Am I missing the point here.... Did Shakin Jake remove the battery cables, and then not put em back on after hooking up the Battery Tender,,,,,, OMG,
Methinks there's more wrong than just his Right Hand, HAHAHAHAHA

 

[beerandchips]

That hole is where my pigtails are for my batter tender. I drilled out a small hole and pushed the wires through and re-installed the rubber grommet.

Steve

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Sounds like a bad battery. If your Spyder is less than 6 months old (since you purchased it) the dealer should replace it under warranty. I have found new batteries to be less than fully charged. I put new batteries on smart chargers (like what you have) as soon as possible until I get the solid green light. Makes the new batteries last longer.
I have a different brand of smart charger that shows the % of charge, and I was surprised that a new Interstate battery for my car only showed 25% charge. Took over 8 hours at 1.75 amps to bring it to 100%.

:agree: ..... and even if it's more than 6 mos. old I would still ask for a re-placement ..... jmho ... good luck .... Mike :thumbup:

 

[shakin_jake]

Gentlemen!, I share your concerns regarding the battery’s health but I believe a replacement is not yet warranted. It all comes back to, “how do we know what we know?” Some facts for you to consider- the Spyder (2021 RTL) was purchased new August 3rd 2021, so its barely over 60 days since put in service. Purchased new in the state of Kansas @ Cyclezone Powersports, Topeka Kansas. So I’ve owned it two months. Odometer reading at present, a little more than 600 miles, just out of break in territory. Work around our farm keeps me out of the saddle more than i like but most weeks she’s ridden daily. This past week before the battery became flat, the only use has been listening to the radio while I worked around and in the barn, mostly feeding my horses. The horses are fed out in the paddock, I would throw hay in my wheelbarrow, fill their feed buckets with sweet feed, wash the buckets after they dined. Hey!, they’re cultured horses=

I was surprised when undoing the battery cables from the battery posts, neither fastener had a lock washer. This is the second trike I bought from Cyclezone. Never had a battery issue with the Ryker Rally so I dont recall if star washers or other lock washers were used to keep the battery cables to the battery posts. That said, the negative cable nut when loosening, I found that fastener to be tight yet the positive bolt was not tight at all, barely any torque holding the cable to the post. I’d say not quite finger tight

At the risk of getting slightly off topic, I sold my 2013 Vespa GTS (I purchased it new in 2014 from Gainesville Vespa) a few months ago, right around the time I bought this Spyder. As luck would have it, the original battery -

Took a crap. Yeah, the day before the new owner was to take delivery. That event stalled the planned delivery date, but I bring all this up for obvious reasons, and to mention, the replacement battery I bought came with star washers, along with the fasteners. BTW, the acronym on the battery stands for (new scooters 4 less), that’s the name of the Gainesville Vespa dealer. The OEM battery was an American made Yuasa. Phenomenal lifespan I’d say, but the scoter was used pretty much daily on my farm. Did a little touring with it too, & I should mention the replacement battery I bought for the new owner was a Duracell

All that said, can anyone say with certainty that Yuasa batteries are supplied with lock washers? I’m being serious posing that question as it seems to me that a lot of batteries Ive worked with in the past did not use lock washers, or did they?

I’m going to keep an eye on this battery and would like to have this battery (that came in my Spyder) bench tested. When I do ill report back here

 

[K80Shooter]

Is your battery good or bad :dontknow:, I have sold hundreds of batteries over the years and every once in a while there would be a bad one in the bunch....It happens. Get it load tested.

As for how long you've owned your Spyder, that has no bearing on how old the battery is. Find the manufacturer date on the bike and that's a starting "guess" only. There's no telling how long the battery sat around before being installed. I'm sure somewhere on the battery there is a date code that the dealer or battery manufacturer could decipher to know the exact date of manufacturer.

I cant answer about the star washers, I mainly dealt with car and big truck batteries.

 

[pegasus1300]

Nobody has mentioned it, and maybe I overlooked it but I have never been able to charge a battery with a battery tender and I have a Deltron. If you haven't yet put your battery on a charger for awhile and see what happens.

 

[PW2013STL]

We have owned 7 Spyders. All purchased new and not one has had a lock washer on the the battery terminal.
Why do you think a new battery is not warranted?

 

[RideOn]

I've bought three new motorsports-spec Yuasa batteries, and I've had good luck with all of them.

But they do not include star washers in their hardware pouch, just bolts and the threaded inserts to change the cable orientation.

BTW, I like the star washers in the picture (post 7) where the cutouts are inside the perimeter. Most star washers I've seen have a center hole with the perimeter cut away. I'm going to look for some of those with the center cut out.

 

[shakin_jake]

Why do you think a new battery is not warranted?

~~~~for the simple reason facts aren’t in evidence that dictates a replacement battery is warranted

This battery could very well have been drained because of the radio being played to the point there wasn’t enough power to turn the starter over. Me thinks that’s what happened yet a load test (that hasn’t been conducted yet) needs to be done before writing it off. Others may have better and different ideas


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.

 

[shakin_jake]

Nobody has mentioned it, and maybe I overlooked it but I have never been able to charge a battery with a battery tender and I have a Deltron. If you haven't yet put your battery on a charger for awhile and see what happens.

~~~Hey Paul! The Battery Tender Plus by Deltran I used to charge my Spyder’s battery is an actual battery charger, albeit, it charges at a low rate. 1.25 AMP’s to be exact, then it will go into a float charging mode once the battery has been fully charged. I have another 12 volt charger sold specifically to charge motorcycle batteries and it charges at a straight rate of 2 AMP’s. I could have used it instead of the Battery Tender Plus, and it would have brought the battery up faster. I can’t say why I used the charger that I did, other than that’s the one I used=

Just for the sake of conversation, if you’ll notice the pic of the OEM battery I posted that was used in the Vespa, the battery manufacturer (Yuasa) printed instructions on that battery saying that a 5AMP charger can be used for a period no longer than one hour. The new Yuasa battery supplied with my Spyder does not have that advertisement printed anywhere I could see on it. Then again, I didn’t completely remove the Spyder battery from the trike yet I could see all the writing on the front of the battery and a hot charge wasn’t mentioned nor advised,again, that I could see. I’m satisfied that the charger I used brought this battery up to a full charge yet a load test needs to be done to fully understand the condition of this battery


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.