I'm ashamed to admit this; I forgot!

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: Today is the 68th anniversary of the bombing of Nagasaki; Hiroshima took it's hit three days earlier...
Now... I'm about as much of an American as anybody else, and I always stop to remember December 7th...
Shouldn't we also say a prayer for those 200,000 casualties of that War as well?
...And hope and pray that nothing like it never happens again?
ray:ray:ray:ray:ray:ray:

 

[Dan McNally]

An old friend I flew with and I discussed this on facebook, on the 7th . . . sort of surprised us that nothing was mentioned in the mainstream media . . . of course, the folks doing the news, now, may not know that the US ever fought a war with Japan! "Dutch" Van Kirk is the only surviving member of the Enola Gay from the Hiroshima mission.

 

[ARCTIC]

I looked at some pictures online. The power and devastation caused by those bombs is SCARY

 

[boborgera]

It ended the war and saved tens of thousands of American lives and many more than that of Japanese.
It's a shame we couldn't have developed the bomb sooner... [like'12/8/41]

 

[Cruzr Joe]

It ended the war and saved tens of thousands of American lives and many more than that of Japanese.
It's a shame we couldn't have developed the bomb sooner... [like'12/8/41]

:agree:

Cruzr Joe

 

[Bob Denman]

Of course it did! :thumbup: Hand to hand; with an enemy that didn't like to be taken prisoner and fighting house to house, and street to street? :shocked:
But it still is a shame that so many lives had to be taken to drive the point home...

 

[ARCTIC]

It ended the war and saved tens of thousands of American lives and many more than that of Japanese.
It's a shame we couldn't have developed the bomb sooner... [like'12/8/41]

I'm not saying that it wasn't necessary. Just that the amount of destruction they can cause is unimaginable. It melted concrete:yikes:

 

[wyliec]

:shocked: Today is the 68th anniversary of the bombing of Nagasaki; Hiroshima took it's hit three days earlier...
Now... I'm about as much of an American as anybody else, and I always stop to remember December 7th...
Shouldn't we also say a prayer for those 200,000 casualties of that War as well?
...And hope and pray that nothing like it never happens again?
ray:ray:ray:ray:ray:ray:

My answer is no.

My question to you is, what do you know of the various Asian cultures/countries that were occupied by the Japanese after WWI and into WWII and how those occupied nations' people died for no good reason? And, it wasn't just solely the Japanese military involved in the deaths. Maybe if you talked to someone who lived through the Japanese occupations you might think differently. Did you ever hear of Japanese comfort women?

I agree with boborgera.

In any case, you can feel ashamed all you want. I just expressed my view point as you expressed yours.

 

[Bob Denman]

Wars create atrocities on both (or all) sides of the fences...
I'm just hopin' that we don't have to see it quite on that level again!

 

[bruiser]

Agreed Bob. Today's weapons are so much more powerful than Fat Man or Little Boy combined. By the way, these were two different type atomic weapons. I was able to tour the Trinity site in New Mexico while stationed there.

 

[MidLifeCrisis]

My answer is no.

My question to you is, what do you know of the various Asian cultures/countries that were occupied by the Japanese after WWI and into WWII and how those occupied nations' people died for no good reason? And, it wasn't just solely the Japanese military involved in the deaths. Maybe if you talked to someone who lived through the Japanese occupations you might think differently. Did you ever hear of Japanese comfort women?

I agree with boborgera.

In any case, you can feel ashamed all you want. I just expressed my view point as you expressed yours.

Sooooo, some were doing wrong and therefore all annihilated by the bombs were deserving? Am I reading that correctly or did I totally miss something?:shocked:

 

[wyliec]

Sooooo, some were doing wrong and therefore all annihilated by the bombs were deserving? Am I reading that correctly or did I totally miss something?:shocked:

I'm saying the bomb ended what should have been ended long before that. I'm not sorry about that. If you want to be sorry about the bombing and say a prayer, that's your business. I say my prayers for all those killed and enslaved by the Japanese occupation.

 

[MidLifeCrisis]

I'm saying the bomb ended what should have been ended long before that. I'm not sorry about that. If you want to be sorry about the bombing and say a prayer, that's your business. I say my prayers for all those killed and enslaved by the Japanese occupation.

The bombings were absolutely necessary. I certainly don't feel bad for the occupants, but they weren't the ones blown away, though no doubt they got the message loud and clear. I just have a tough time hating a people group for the atrocities of their government and those without any conscience.


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[Flanker]

I missed it too. Harry made the right call for excellent reasons.

 

[reverendg]

Sooooo, some were doing wrong and therefore all annihilated by the bombs were deserving? Am I reading that correctly or did I totally miss something?:shocked:

I would say you missed a lot. You are rationalizing things that you cannot equate similarly since you are living in a time and technological era far removed from the events you are considering. The events of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not entered into haphazardly, plenty of warning was given, and it was deemed a necessary last resort. That there were days between the dropping of the two was in hopes that the first devastation hit home and hopefully could avoid a second needing to be dropped. Before formulating your opinion you should actually spend time researching the whole of the situation leading to the events.

 

[MidLifeCrisis]

I would say you missed a lot. You are rationalizing things that you cannot equate similarly since you are living in a time and technological era far removed from the events you are considering. The events of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not entered into haphazardly, plenty of warning was given, and it was deemed a necessary last resort. That there were days between the dropping of the two was in hopes that the first devastation hit home and hopefully could avoid a second needing to be dropped. Before formulating your opinion you should actually spend time researching the whole of the situation leading to the events.

Hmmmmm. That's a new one! Can't say I've ever told I don't know history, or an anti war guy of any sort. Believe me, I know what transpired. The issue I take with this is the assumption that all those lost on the Japanese side were deserving...man, woman and child alike. All wars have impact on the innocent as well.

I grew up in a war zone, so I think I have a better idea than most how many back a regime and participate in atrocities, compared to the innocent who are either lost standing up against, or casualties of counter attacks.

I think Bob had it right in his first post. Don't think he was going to pray for the kamikaze pilots or occupying forces raping and pilfering. Pretty sure it was the innocent he was talking about however necessary the bombings.

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[reverendg]

Hmmmmm. That's a new one! Can't say I've ever told I don't know history, or an anti war guy of any sort. Believe me, I know what transpired. The issue I take with this is the assumption that all those lost on the Japanese side were deserving...man, woman and child alike. All wars have impact on the innocent as well.

I grew up in a war zone, so I think I have a better idea than most how many back a regime and participate in atrocities, compared to the innocent who are either lost standing up against, or casualties of counter attacks.

I think Bob had it right in his first post. Don't think he was going to pray for the kamikaze pilots or occupying forces raping and pilfering. Pretty sure it was the innocent he was talking about however necessary the bombings.

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If you really do know what transpired, it doesn't show. I never stated you didn't know history, I meant DETAILS. I never mentioned anti-war. It seems the Japanese were warned, often, that they put their lives at risk remaining in certain cities. Where you grew up has little to do with your understanding of past events, just as being raised near Kill Devil Hill or in Dayton Ohio does not make one an expert on the Wright Brothers and aviation via osmosis. I can pray for God's mercy on all souls, even those who seek to do harm to those close to me, that does not mean I would not take action to avert their actions against my own. An awareness of vague generalities of events leads to false conclusions being drawn.

 

[MidLifeCrisis]

If you really do know what transpired, it doesn't show. I never stated you didn't know history, I meant DETAILS. I never mentioned anti-war. It seems the Japanese were warned, often, that they put their lives at risk remaining in certain cities. Where you grew up has little to do with your understanding of past events, just as being raised near Kill Devil Hill or in Dayton Ohio does not make one an expert on the Wright Brothers and aviation via osmosis. I can pray for God's mercy on all souls, even those who seek to do harm to those close to me, that does not mean I would not take action to avert their actions against my own. An awareness of vague generalities of events leads to false conclusions being drawn.

Not sure why we're talking passed each other. We seem to both agree on what and why things were done as they were. While living near Kill Devil Hill may not make one an expert on the Wright brothers, having bombs dropped on your head and losing friends and family members does give a person some insight on the loss of the innocent.

 

[wyliec]

The bombings were absolutely necessary. I certainly don't feel bad for the occupants, but they weren't the ones blown away, though no doubt they got the message loud and clear. I just have a tough time hating a people group for the atrocities of their government and those without any conscience.


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Can I just clear one thing up before I go to work? I hope you are not saying I hate the Japanese culture/people because that's not true. What I don't like is what the Japanese did during that era of democide; that was long ago. I also realize that Japan wasn't the only nation that participated in democide at various times in the 20th century. But, I was only focusing on the OP's original topic. I'll end now b/c this is bordering on political.

 

[Bob Denman]

I think Bob had it right in his first post. Don't think he was going to pray for the kamikaze pilots or occupying forces raping and pilfering. Pretty sure it was the innocent he was talking about however necessary the bombings.

:thumbup: That is exactly what I was referring to... Thanks for the assist! :thumbup:

War sux! It may be necessary once in a while; but it still sux! :gaah: