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ILLINOIS HAS A PROBLEM WITH SYPDER

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Jesse White, Secretary of State
213 State Capital
Springfield, IL 62756

September 4, 2008

Dear Secretary White,
As an Illinois taxpayer, licensed driver, registered voter (yes, I voted for you) and avid motorcyclist for 40 years, I want to bring to your attention an issue that has arisen regarding the state’s testing procedures for motorcycles.

As you’re aware, there is a huge resurgence in ridership of motorcycles and "motor-driven cycles" due in large part to economics. This is exposing people of all shapes, sizes, sexes and capabilities to the experience of open-air transportation. It has also stemmed new designs in equipment to better accommodate this broad demography.

Please allow me to address an issue that is specific to my family. My wife and I purchased a 2008 Can-Am Spyder two months ago. The Spyder is a 3-wheeled motorcycle with the dual wheels in the front, as opposed to conventional “trike”-type machines based on existing models (Honda Goldwing, etc). You can see and “experience” the Spyder at the following URL http://spyder.brp.com/en-US/. Our Spyder is registered and licensed as a motorcycle in Illinois. As an experienced rider, I took the Spyder to a local DMV course and realized that the turning radius of the bike would not allow a U-turn within the assigned boundaries. I spoke to DMV representatives who told me there would be no accommodations for equipment. I explained that my wife has a lower back issue that makes the Spyder’s 3-wheel array a safer choice and that she might re-injure herself with the riding dynamics of a conventional 2-wheeled motorcycle. The rep said that my wife had no choice and that there were no accommodations, even for a physical challenge. Obviously that was clearly a poor answer that creates exposure for the State, so I called Springfield and spoke to the gentleman in charge of these matters. He said that he was aware of the bike, in fact had ridden one, and realized that it would not make the U-turn within the current standards. He suggested my wife could obtain a learner’s permit and be allowed to ride in my presence while he tried to figure something out regarding this matter. She did so, and is more than prepared to take the exam.

Thirty days have passed (as well a large chunk of the riding season) so I called him again yesterday for an update. He stated that he’d sent out inquiries to see what other states were doing about this and had only received about a dozen responses. That’s not surprising because the Can-Am Spyder was just recently made widely available….plus, it’s expensive at nearly $16,000 MSRP! He said that the state is not prepared to change its standards and that this would likely require legislation, if it was changed at all! The state had NO qualms about taking our money for registration and taxes, but they’ve rendered this machine useless to my wife as she is not allowed to ride it without supervision.

If a machine can be licensed in Illinois and ridden in Illinois, it should certainly be allowed to be used for the driving test. As it is, she cannot use it to conserve precious energy, to save our family’s resources and simply enjoy it. It is nothing more than a $16,000 training aid.

This situation is unacceptable, as is the idea that it would require legislation to amend the current guidelines. The last thing we need is to spend more taxpayer dollars investigating matters such as this, much less the time it takes to carry such a measure through the process.
Rather than activating resources such as the American Motorcyclist Association, AARP (I’m over 50 and wouldn’t be able to take MY test on this either!) and bringing the Americans with Disabilities Act into play, would it not be much simpler and cost effective to allow examiners the ability to use their judgment in these matters? If the machine is fully turned to the frame stops, it will not turn any tighter.

Again, if it’s allowed to be licensed to be ridden on streets and highways in the state of Illinois, it must be allowed to be used for the exam.

I am asking for an immediate accommodation for my wife in this matter. Otherwise, our next discussion needs to be in what way the state will refund my registration fees and taxes that were paid in the purchase of the bike. I will have no choice but to sell the machine due to the state’s refusal to accommodate our needs for both physical and mechanical challenges.


I am forwarding a copy of this letter to BRP, the manufacturer of the Can-Am, so they are aware of the challenges they face in Illinois. By the way, they have chosen Benton, Illinois for one of their USA offices and distribution centers. I’m sure they’ll share my disappointment with the current position of the state.

I look forward to your positive response.

Respectfully,

BJ XXXXXXXX
XXXX LXXX Street XXX
Oak Park, IL XXXX
 
massachusetts

my girl friend went for her license on spyder ... the registry inspector was very interested in spyder asked where he could test drive one ... he made her show hand signals and do a figuare 8 which she did he told her that there would be no way she could turn with in the cones and he had no problem giving her her license .....that registry cop is just being an A%^&*
 
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Great Letter.

One item which was not mentioned in your letter, Insurance for the Spyder..
It would seem that the State Insurance Dept, whom I suppose is to regulate the insuance of vehicle insurance that they themselves should be involved in addition to the insurance company.

Comment to the responce to the State peeps... " DUH, stupid is what stupid does. "
 
Simple.

Have her take the test on one of your 2-wheels. The State doesn't issue a Spyder license, they issue a motorcycle license. She doesn't have to pass the test on a Spyder.

Once she has it, she rides the Spyder.
 
Not sure if Illinois honors the MSF course for the riding and/writen test but if it does you may try contacting some of those to see if they will allow her to take it on the Spyder. Here in TN i was able to take my riding test with the spyder but the MSF course was to small for me to be allowed to use the spyder even though i was told previously i could.
 
I think some of you are missing his point. His wife shouldn't HAVE to take the state test on a 2-wheeled bike.

I wonder just how and if they allow people to take the test on a standard trike? I doubt a trike can make a U-turn within the cones either.

You bring up some great points in your letter. Please keep us posted.
 
I think some of you are missing his point. His wife shouldn't HAVE to take the state test on a 2-wheeled bike.

I wonder just how and if they allow people to take the test on a standard trike? I doubt a trike can make a U-turn within the cones either.

You bring up some great points in your letter. Please keep us posted.

Nope, not missing the point at all. His wife wants to ride, they hit a hurdle; they can waste time fighting the government or circumvent the hurdle.

You're correct, and I wholeheartedly agree, "... shouldn't HAVE to take the state test on a 2-wheeled bike..." but until they figure out how to get her license, SHE loses out, not the DMV.

10 minutes on 2-wheels ends this government goat rodeo and gets the two of them riding :2thumbs:
 
Here in California all that is needed is a valid drivers license even though it is registered as a motorcycle. The same applies for sidecar outfits.

Strange that Illinois would require a motorcycle license.
 
Most states require a cycle license for the Spyder, a few allow a special 'trike' license, and I think there are 2 states that allow just a drivers license.

If she were handicapped and they refused to allow her to take the test and get a license on the Spyder they could end up with a hugh lawsuit on their hands.
 
Well written. I understand your frustration. My wife faced the same problem. Michigan law requires the state to come up with a test for three wheelers, but they have not done so. Testing is done privately in this state, and no test facility around here would test for three-wheeled proficiency, lacking a state-specified test, although some locations have modified the standard test for trikes and Spyders. In the end, my wife took her MSF course on two wheels, bypassing bothg the testing requirement and the three-wheeled license restriction. MSF is supposedly developing a new course for three wheelers like the Spyder. Don't know when it will be available.

I think your best bet would be an understanding testing examiner. They could easily bypass the portions of the test that are not applicable, like Michigan examiners have been forced to do. Don't know if you can sweet talk one into sticking their neck out that far, but it seems like your only hope, at present. If your state is like ours, this allowance does require legislation. Of course in Michigan's case, having the law did not make it so.
-Scotty
 
I took my test in Galena, Il. I road the syder and the only thing I didn't pass on was the turning radius. Everything else was a piece of cake. I was told I could fale two parts ot the driving test and still get my license. I got my 3 wheel licence. easy. Just have her practice her lane avoidence test and she should have no problems. PM me and I can tell you about all the parts of the driving test for a three wheeler. :2thumbs:
 
Excellent letter I too had some issues in Iowa to take test, was able to solve them over the phone and was given a test on spyder. My argument was basically the same. Best of luck to your challenge, that I refer to as taxation without representation:barf:
 
I guess we are lucky here in east TN. All I had to do was drive out of the parking lot (200ft) turn right on 2 lane rd (100ft) turn right into shopping center parking lot and turn around and return same route. When I asked if it was possible to fail she replied only if you fall over which is hard to do on the Spyder. Good luck with your problem.
 
I took my test in Galena, Il. I road the syder and the only thing I didn't pass on was the turning radius. Everything else was a piece of cake. I was told I could fale two parts ot the driving test and still get my license. I got my 3 wheel licence. easy. Just have her practice her lane avoidence test and she should have no problems. PM me and I can tell you about all the parts of the driving test for a three wheeler. :2thumbs:

pm sent
 
Most states require a cycle license for the Spyder, a few allow a special 'trike' license, and I think there are 2 states that allow just a drivers license.

If she were handicapped and they refused to allow her to take the test and get a license on the Spyder they could end up with a hugh lawsuit on their hands.

Yup. I was hoping that inference would get their attention without having to go through the BS of actually doing it.

In IL if you take it on a 3-wheel, you have a 3-wheel restriction.

bj
 
Nope, not missing the point at all. His wife wants to ride, they hit a hurdle; they can waste time fighting the government or circumvent the hurdle.

You're correct, and I wholeheartedly agree, "... shouldn't HAVE to take the state test on a 2-wheeled bike..." but until they figure out how to get her license, SHE loses out, not the DMV.

10 minutes on 2-wheels ends this government goat rodeo and gets the two of them riding :2thumbs:
:agree:
 
That stinks! Can you go passed the DMV? What about the Attorney General? Any way you can call all the dealers in IL and find out who bought Spyders in the state - there's got to be other people in the same boat?

In CT you can take the Rider's Course (which I'd highly recommend anyway) and if you pass the course, they give you the certificate on the spot and all you gotta do is go to DMV and get your M put on your license. The test at the course IS the test. - Not that way in IL? Or is her back real bad where she shouldn't be on any two wheeler cuz the ones on the course are tiny light weight things.

Just trying to think of a way
 
I can see there point until they make a test or endorsment for the spyder say they give her the MC licencse and does not know how to ride a motorcycle and gets on the street and hurts herself or someone a Bike is a Bike a :spyder:is a :spyder:and that is the way I see it Ct is currentley doing the same thing for know you must :banghead:
 
Seems pretty crazy they don't have a separate test for three wheelers... Here in Washington State, there is a different written and driving test for three wheelers vs. two. They even offer safety courses for three wheelers (two wheelers, also), and upon completion, you don't have to take either test from DOL... :shocked:
 
Well written letter. You would think a DMV office could think outside the box on this one. I hope things work out for you soon.

I took my road test on the spyder. It was actually funny. The drive instructor called his supervisor. A two wheel went first.

When it was my turn the instructors didn't move the cones. They wanted me to weave in and out of them like a bike. So, headed forward made my first turn between the cones. I stopped just before I hit the second cone, put the spyder in reverse, backed up, then back into first and forward between the cones then back into reverse. I did that the hole way through the fifty feet or so of cones, and back. When I was done the instructors just looked at each other then at me and said good the next test will be etc...

Road test Ontario, Canada

It was a joke. Unless you are still wet behind the ears driving around cones on a spyder is a waist of time. But you do what you have to do to get things done.
 
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